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TSK striking harder on 13 PKK targets in Iraq
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Rusu sad olsun
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Inshallah we will push ever further.
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This could present a difficulty for the effective air operations of our forces. I fear that intelligence could be provided to the terrorists.
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With allies like these who needs enemies.
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While PKK is crying again that TSK threw a tactical nuclear bomb at them there are more important things to watch for.
There are elections in Iraq and we have to watch closely. While Turkmen parties managed to unite and entered the elections in a single block, for now it looks like Kurdish parties will take Kerkuk and Mosul. Official results will be announced tomorrow, but I don't expect any surprises. Important part of the elections is that KDP and PUK are in a struggle for Mahmur which is important area and by the initial look KDP is winning and this is good for us. In the case of Kerkuk on the top of the speculations Turkmen parties will most likely conclude the elections after Kurdish and Arab ones. Very interesting speculation is that many Turkmen in the big cities are voting for KDP instead for the Turkmen block. Of course PKK is speculating that there is a secret coalition between the KDP, Arab Sunni representatives and Turkmen, but this is PKK...
According to the unofficial semi-final results for local elections: Nineveh Province (Mosul), 26 seats:
KDP: Has thus far secured 7 seats and could potentially win an 8th seat. PUK: secured 1 seat and is likely to win another.
Kirkuk Province, 15 seats:
PUK: Has guaranteed 5 seats and could still potentially win a 6th seats.
KDP: Has guaranteed 1 seat and could potentially win another through outstanding special voting which has not yet been tabulated. The quota seat in Kirkuk was won by a candidate backed by Bafel Talabani and Rayan Kaldani.
New Generation: Has not yet secured a seat but could potentially win 1 seat.
Arab Parties: Have secured 4 seats and could potentially secure 5 seats.
Turkmen Parties: Have secured 2 seats and have the possibility for a 3rd seat. 3 seats remain undetermined.
The KDP has garnered over 70% of the Ezidi votes in IDP camps and also leads in three published polling stations within Sinjar. Meanwhile, the PUK has received around 10% of the Ezidi votes. The KDP is currently competing with 'Ninawa li-Ahliha,' an Arab list led by the recently resigned Mosul governor, Najem al-Jibori, for the top vote in the province.
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There are elections in Iraq and we have to watch closely. While Turkmen parties managed to unite and entered the elections in a single block, for now it looks like Kurdish parties will take Kerkuk and Mosul. Official results will be announced tomorrow, but I don't expect any surprises. Important part of the elections is that KDP and PUK are in a struggle for Mahmur which is important area and by the initial look KDP is winning and this is good for us. In the case of Kerkuk on the top of the speculations Turkmen parties will most likely conclude the elections after Kurdish and Arab ones. Very interesting speculation is that many Turkmen in the big cities are voting for KDP instead for the Turkmen block. Of course PKK is speculating that there is a secret coalition between the KDP, Arab Sunni representatives and Turkmen, but this is PKK...
According to the unofficial semi-final results for local elections: Nineveh Province (Mosul), 26 seats:
KDP: Has thus far secured 7 seats and could potentially win an 8th seat. PUK: secured 1 seat and is likely to win another.
Kirkuk Province, 15 seats:
PUK: Has guaranteed 5 seats and could still potentially win a 6th seats.
KDP: Has guaranteed 1 seat and could potentially win another through outstanding special voting which has not yet been tabulated. The quota seat in Kirkuk was won by a candidate backed by Bafel Talabani and Rayan Kaldani.
New Generation: Has not yet secured a seat but could potentially win 1 seat.
Arab Parties: Have secured 4 seats and could potentially secure 5 seats.
Turkmen Parties: Have secured 2 seats and have the possibility for a 3rd seat. 3 seats remain undetermined.
The KDP has garnered over 70% of the Ezidi votes in IDP camps and also leads in three published polling stations within Sinjar. Meanwhile, the PUK has received around 10% of the Ezidi votes. The KDP is currently competing with 'Ninawa li-Ahliha,' an Arab list led by the recently resigned Mosul governor, Najem al-Jibori, for the top vote in the province.
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If such a large Turkmen population are voting for Talabani or Barzani it is either due to sect or due to a strong dislike of the Iranian Hashd Shia militias that persecuted Sunnis. Ersat allying himself with the Hashd has shown the result. If it was a secret coalition they'd just vote for the Turkmen parties, no ?
Maybe a backroom deal, I'm not sure.
This is the result from a Turkmen neighbourhood, half the votes to the Kurdish parties:
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Also notice that not only some Kurdish party, but PUK. PUK means PKK and PUK winning Kerkuk means that PKK will strengthen their position in Kerkuk against KDP together with PUK. Very interesting results.
There are two scenarios.
One is that Turkiye pressured the Turkmen to vote for PUK in order to bring balance and prevent full KDP control over the oil rich areas of Kerkuk and in future try that independence sh!t again.
The second one is that the Turkmen want to cooperate with PUK due to PUK's close relationship to Iran and the sectarian element.
In both cases different problems would arise but whatever we do we must keep the tensions between KDP, PKK and PUK high. For example if there was no KDP-PUK tensions we would see a full Kurdish domination in the region with no Turkish influence at all. We all know the situation of the Turkmen parties and we absolutely should not romanticize their stance. They've made their choice and saw a better alternative in Iran. We did our share of mistakes, but this wont bring the time back, so we should move forward with the cards we have and try everything possible to exploit Iran's influence and infiltrate our own agents, which would move the Turkmen front to a better position.
In the case of the first scenario and Turkiye-PUK cooperation we may also read this as Bafal Talabani taking his lesson by the last drone strike, which target a joint PUK-YPG training facility masked as a civil airport. If this is the case then smart move. Better healthy and alive than transforming yourself into a BBQ. This is only a speculation and the chances for this are small.
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Looks like the results are as follows:
PUK 5 seats (6 with quota)
Arab coalition 3 seats
KDP 2 seats
Turkmen Front 2 seats
Christian Quota: 1 seat (PUK candidate)
Then 3 seats divided between two other Arab coalitions.
Looks like the governor of Kirkuk will go to the Kurds and will be PUK. Unless the Turkmen front united with all the different Arab coalitions and the KDP. I think this is unlikely.
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PUK 5 seats (6 with quota)
Arab coalition 3 seats
KDP 2 seats
Turkmen Front 2 seats
Christian Quota: 1 seat (PUK candidate)
Then 3 seats divided between two other Arab coalitions.
Looks like the governor of Kirkuk will go to the Kurds and will be PUK. Unless the Turkmen front united with all the different Arab coalitions and the KDP. I think this is unlikely.
Irak'ta yerel seçimler: Kerkük’te en fazla oyu Kürtler aldı, Türkmen ittifakı üçüncü sırada yer aldı
15 yıl Kerkük Meclis üyeliği yapan ITC Başkan Danışmanı Ali Mehdi, 25 bin seçmenin parmak izi çıkmadığı için oy kullanamadığını, çoğunluğun ise Türkmen olduğunu söyledi. Kerkük’te Türkmenlerin yoğun yaşadığı bazı seçim çevrelerinden KYB’ye blok oylar çıkması ise dikkat çekti
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So now he changed from "Kirkuk is Turkish" to "Kirkuk is Arab + minority Turkish"
The PUK got 190,000 votes in 2018 because the KDP did not participate in the 2018 election, they boycotted it as after the 2017 referendum they left Kirkuk. Which shows that the KDP were in a position to take seats from PUK and split the Kurdish vote. Today the PUK + KDP had much more than 190,000 votes together.
This clothes seller from Kirkuk selling propaganda is the reason why elections like this are lost. Pure disinformation to gas the nation.
I still remember prior in this thread that him and Ersat Salihi were calling for KDP to be barred from Kirkuk so they couldn't campaign, the reason they gave was that "PKK would rule Kirkuk". It is obvious that this isn't true and it aided the Iranians placing PUK in the lead position in Kirkuk. I don't think this guy and Ersat's party are stupid, I think they are part of the Iranian game. The guy is an agent.
The news on social media is bad, killed and wounded in the hakkari border region
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In the attack carried out by members of the separatist terrorist organization on December 22, 2023 in the north of Iraq and in the subsequent contact, 3 of our heroic comrades were martyred and 4 of our heroic comrades were injured. Contact continues within the scope of operations against the separatist terrorist organization in the region. Sudden air operations were carried out against the determined targets and the escape directions of the terrorists. According to preliminary findings, 4 terrorists were neutralized. May God have mercy on our martyrs who lost their lives in this incident that filled us with deep pain and sadness, our condolences and patience to their grieving families, the Turkish Armed Forces and our noble nation, and we wish a speedy recovery to our injured personnel.
According to sources it was an attack in Hakurk against the Hakkari Mountain Commando Brigade personnel. They are the most successful forces in the recent Claw series of operations. With the worsening of the weather conditions the terrorists are becoming more arrogant in their moves. Martyr number may rise. Wait for official statement from the Ministry of National Defence. May Allah accept their martyrdom!
According to sources it was an attack in Hakurk against the Hakkari Mountain Commando Brigade personnel. They are the most successful forces in the recent Claw series of operations. With the worsening of the weather conditions the terrorists are becoming more arrogant in their moves. Martyr number may rise. Wait for official statement from the Ministry of National Defence. May Allah accept their martyrdom!
I always wonder how these terrorists are able to carry these kind of attacks over and over again?
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An analysis and critique from our main source in these operations: https://twitter.com/hakikatlariniza
Follow him for accurate information.
Today, we have 6 martyrs (official statement is 3, but may rise) as a result of the PKK terrorists' attack on the Sur/Tatasara hills, which are located near the Claw 1 and 2 (*not Claw-Lock *) areas and where they were deployed last month. We will evaluate the incident.
They were deployed to Sur and Tatasara hills last month. There is a stream bed under the hill. The organization has at least 2 large caves/tunnels in this stream bed. There are also caves in addition to these.
If a new base area is to be established and it will be on the front line, the establishment of this base should in summer at the worst. Even if the construction of the base starts in the summer, the deficiencies of the base cannot be fixed until the winter.
We lost 7~ martyrs in the Hakurk region in the last 2 years. None of this was due to infiltration into the base area. We lost our martyrs due to IED attacks and attacks on off-base security guards.
Don't get me wrong, but 7~ martyrs in 2 years is not a bad situation. PKK could not infiltrate the base areas, so we did not suffer major casualties. This was one of the biggest gains of the Claw operations.
But in the first year of operation in Hakurk, the PKK was able to infiltrate the base once a week. The bases were developed by taking lessons and using techniques at the time and conditions have been created under which the terrorists will not be able to infiltrate successfully for years. So if the base area is weak, the terrorists will infiltrate.
Why couldn't they infiltrate? Because the bases are very strong. Over time, they all became like castles. It takes years to establish a base like a castle at the top of that mountain. Their last infiltration into open sources in the region was 2 years ago. In todays evening's try, they left behind 4-5 dead.
Now, the hill line where we lost our martyrs is in front of the solid base areas, in a lower position and closer to the PKK tunnels. These are among the biggest factors that make it difficult to ensure the security of the base area. Neither the base is solid nor the position is solid. On top of that, it is closer to the PKK.
Now, a base should not be established in a place where you are deployed in November, because there is 1 month left until winter. Within 1 month, you cannot produce solutions to solve any problems such as setting up positions, accommodating soldiers, heating problems, establishing necessary technical systems, etc.
Even if you had deployed to that hill in May, that base would have too many shortcomings now and would be attacked again. Because everything is obvious. As I wrote above, the base is not solid, neither is the location good, it is close to the PKK and on top of that, you're going there in November to set up a base.
So this is definitely a no-brainer. You have bases that have not been infiltrated for years. The terrorists are running in front of the base, but they cannot enter in. You also establish a base closer to the terrorists while you have solid bases, and you do this in November. This sounds like treason.
It has started to snow in the region for the last few days. The 2 thousand altitude hill is now completely covered in snow. Viewing angles do not reach 200 meters. The soldiers are staying in a tent, icy weather. PKK members are looking for an attack. These are incredibly difficult conditions. Why are you putting the soldiers in these conditions, there is no need.
The commanders who gave the order to establish a fixed base area on that hill in November are entirely responsible for these martyrs. Nobody should have any doubts about this. May God curse everyone who put the soldiers in those conditions, made them suffer this torture, and caused their martyrdom.
A few days ago, 2 terrorists were neutralized in the area, and in today's infiltration, 4 more terrorists were neutralized. The exact neutralized terrorist number will become clear in the coming days.
Follow him for accurate information.
Today, we have 6 martyrs (official statement is 3, but may rise) as a result of the PKK terrorists' attack on the Sur/Tatasara hills, which are located near the Claw 1 and 2 (*not Claw-Lock *) areas and where they were deployed last month. We will evaluate the incident.
They were deployed to Sur and Tatasara hills last month. There is a stream bed under the hill. The organization has at least 2 large caves/tunnels in this stream bed. There are also caves in addition to these.
If a new base area is to be established and it will be on the front line, the establishment of this base should in summer at the worst. Even if the construction of the base starts in the summer, the deficiencies of the base cannot be fixed until the winter.
We lost 7~ martyrs in the Hakurk region in the last 2 years. None of this was due to infiltration into the base area. We lost our martyrs due to IED attacks and attacks on off-base security guards.
Don't get me wrong, but 7~ martyrs in 2 years is not a bad situation. PKK could not infiltrate the base areas, so we did not suffer major casualties. This was one of the biggest gains of the Claw operations.
But in the first year of operation in Hakurk, the PKK was able to infiltrate the base once a week. The bases were developed by taking lessons and using techniques at the time and conditions have been created under which the terrorists will not be able to infiltrate successfully for years. So if the base area is weak, the terrorists will infiltrate.
Why couldn't they infiltrate? Because the bases are very strong. Over time, they all became like castles. It takes years to establish a base like a castle at the top of that mountain. Their last infiltration into open sources in the region was 2 years ago. In todays evening's try, they left behind 4-5 dead.
Now, the hill line where we lost our martyrs is in front of the solid base areas, in a lower position and closer to the PKK tunnels. These are among the biggest factors that make it difficult to ensure the security of the base area. Neither the base is solid nor the position is solid. On top of that, it is closer to the PKK.
Now, a base should not be established in a place where you are deployed in November, because there is 1 month left until winter. Within 1 month, you cannot produce solutions to solve any problems such as setting up positions, accommodating soldiers, heating problems, establishing necessary technical systems, etc.
Even if you had deployed to that hill in May, that base would have too many shortcomings now and would be attacked again. Because everything is obvious. As I wrote above, the base is not solid, neither is the location good, it is close to the PKK and on top of that, you're going there in November to set up a base.
So this is definitely a no-brainer. You have bases that have not been infiltrated for years. The terrorists are running in front of the base, but they cannot enter in. You also establish a base closer to the terrorists while you have solid bases, and you do this in November. This sounds like treason.
It has started to snow in the region for the last few days. The 2 thousand altitude hill is now completely covered in snow. Viewing angles do not reach 200 meters. The soldiers are staying in a tent, icy weather. PKK members are looking for an attack. These are incredibly difficult conditions. Why are you putting the soldiers in these conditions, there is no need.
The commanders who gave the order to establish a fixed base area on that hill in November are entirely responsible for these martyrs. Nobody should have any doubts about this. May God curse everyone who put the soldiers in those conditions, made them suffer this torture, and caused their martyrdom.
A few days ago, 2 terrorists were neutralized in the area, and in today's infiltration, 4 more terrorists were neutralized. The exact neutralized terrorist number will become clear in the coming days.
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In this case it is most probably in result of a wrong decision. Read the message above.
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This is a footage of the gopro of one of the 4 terrorists neutralized in the area while trying to infiltrate. You can clearly see the terrible conditions in which our soldiers are forced to operate.
