TR Military Operations in Northern Iraq

[what]

I see many ppl commenting that how on earth such an attack happened when Turkey has multiple surevillance drones and spy satellites? The answer is simple, and that is the weather! We are currently in the winter season which means heavy clouds, rain, storms and poor visibility. This means that in numerous occasions drones and spy satellites are rendered useless. This is why the PKK are stepping up their attacks during the rainy season since it is the perfect natural camouflage for their suicidal troops

In the past it used to be spring offensives and calm during winter.

Second time within such a short period, I'm really furious right now. Something is not right currently.
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@everyone please follow our rules. Be better than those that are suicide bombing civilians.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Why are the PKK positions not completely destroyed?
The drones monitor the entire region 24 hours a day. There must be enough reconnaissance with night vision and thermal vision to identify these targets by now. These fucking people can't just sit in the cave for 24 hours...

 

[BalkanTurk90]

That area of Iraq needs foots and alot of them so to solve this one and forever Turkiye needs to send 100+k soldiers inside north iraq and take every village under control or those attacks will happens forever .

 

[Bozan]

At the end of the day the other side of the border needs to be secured by a military force that isn't TR and it needs to be urbanized or have secured economic activity so weapons are not so prevalent. This should have occurred in Syria as well, but the situation with the Kurds was not understood at all in foreign policy.

You can thank Davutoglu's foreign policy here but also that of previous governments.

That area of Iraq needs foots and alot of them so to solve this one and forever Turkiye needs to send 100+k soldiers inside north iraq and take every village under control or those attacks will happens forever .

This kind of mobilization simply isn't sustainable with the budget or the failure of foreign policy situation of TR.

As a result, this war will drag on for at least another decade. I am wondering how the conflict will shift when the leaders of the PKK die of old age. I think the movement will splinter with radical groups forming.

And it is political suicide for any government to negotiate or ally with any Kurdish entity to fight the PKK by proxy and drain them of resources, due to the heated situation internally with domestic politics.

Iraq won't secure the border because Iran doesn't want it to.

TR can't do what is necessary in foreign policy, militarily or in diplomacy to end this close to 5 decades conflict. I think it's a mistake to blame this on the west as well, it is a sign of weakness in these three areas.

 

[mehmed beg]

Urbanisation? Really? Armenians, Greeks, Asyrians and others had all of that, it turned out for them as it did. Eventually something similar will happen to the Kurds . Not on such scale but what I am sure that the thing that they want will not happen.
This is not 40 years old , it is 150 160 years old problem. Not much in the root of thing changed.
To build a public toilet in some mountain village? That will solve the issue? Hahaha. By the way in the context of history, regular and recorded conflicts happen there for the last 5000 years. Afterall, Anatolia is nor Scandinavia where mostly nothing really happens, like forever.

 

[Kartal1]

Yesterday we lost 9 soldiers in a single attack on Matin. The terrorists used the bad weather due to which our soldiers were caught unprepared and no reconnaissance or air support was available for their defence. Only after the weather improved for a short time, our attacks moved to the area in order to cover the evacuation of our martyrs/wounded. Air strikes commenced and the clashes stopped.

People don't understand that the reconnaissance means we have don't work in such a weather. No UAV or F-16 can see anything below this fog. No thermal imager or night vision on ground can see trough this. The visibility is falling to 5-10 meters. The bad location is the main factor for the martyrdom of our soldiers. Second factor is the not so well prepared positions (lack of time, weather preventing work).

Infantry Lieutenant Gokhan DELEN, Infantry Specialist Sergeant Serkan SAYIN, Infantry Specialist Sergeant Hakan GUN, Infantry Specialist Sergeant Ahmet KOROGLU, Infantry Enlisted Private Muslum OZDEMIR, Infantry Enlisted Private Kemal BATUR, Infantry Enlisted Private Emrullah GULMEZ, Engineer Enlisted Private Murat ATAR, Engineer Enlisted Private Muhammed Tunahan EVCIN. May Allah accept their martyrdom!

 

[Sanchez]

Almost an entire forward operating platoon. There will be many questions to be asked on Matin once this winter season ends.

All that tech, hundreds of drones. And it still falls to our most modern jet available with a Sniper pod and a HGK-84 to rain fire.

 

[UkroTurk]

What are our soldiers doing is not easy task.

Terrorists could hide themselves in the mountains. Currently vision of our soldiers ZERO due-to weather conditions.

We have app 50 bases some of them are very little and vulnerable.

Look at the topography of northern ıraq.

Excuse me because the maps are from enemy.

 

[Slayer]

Im disgusted. I get it. Bad weather etc. But you take that into account when you put a FOB there. Countermeasures.
Mekanlari cennet olsun.

 

[uçuyorum]

Im disgusted. I get it. Bad weather etc. But you take that into account when you put a FOB there. Countermeasures.
Mekanlari cennet olsun.

If all the equipment is useless in that weather then what can soldiers do? Like if cameras can't see, can they see? If it is an undefensible position then that's the wrong position, plan should be made accordingly and resources should be allocated accordingly. Regardless of the conditions, being caught by surprise is not acceptable. We see all the base protection systems in idefs, why weren't those there? And for instance if our manpower in region is not enough then we should then send a larger force to establish security.

 

[Isbara]

If all the equipment is useless in that weather then what can soldiers do? Like if cameras can't see, can they see? If it is an undefensible position then that's the wrong position, plan should be made accordingly and resources should be allocated accordingly. Regardless of the conditions, being caught by surprise is not acceptable. We see all the base protection systems in idefs, why weren't those there? And for instance if our manpower in region is not enough then we should then send a larger force to establish security.

MWR radars, SWIR cameras etc...
There're solutions.

 

[uçuyorum]

MWR radars, SWIR cameras etc...
There're solutions.

Milimeter radars etc. Other types of radars, traps, tripwires, fences..

 

[Avanti]

Martyrs are part of fighting unfortunately. We knew ground operation in these conditions in North Iraq will be very hard but necessary.

If there were unnecessary risks or other mistakes will come out with time

 

[uçuyorum]

Martyrs are part of fighting unfortunately. We knew ground operation in these conditions in North Iraq will be very hard but necessary.

If there were unnecessary risks or other mistakes will come out with time

It should be our absolute priority to ensure that this doesn't happen again. Whatever means that may require.

 

[Tuncay]

It should be our absolute priority to ensure that this doesn't happen again. Whatever means that may require.

We know that will not happen , tommorow we will forget this attack like we forgot the last one . The same base that was ambushed 20 days ago and suffered casualties was the base attacked yesterday, a whole 20 days was still not enough to learn from our mistakes and fortify the place. The cold truth is nobody cares about the soldiers till they lose their life , and that is 1-2 tweets on twitter and some insincere announcments from politicans to be forgotten tommorow.

 

[Kartal1]

If all the equipment is useless in that weather then what can soldiers do? Like if cameras can't see, can they see? If it is an undefensible position then that's the wrong position, plan should be made accordingly and resources should be allocated accordingly. Regardless of the conditions, being caught by surprise is not acceptable. We see all the base protection systems in idefs, why weren't those there? And for instance if our manpower in region is not enough then we should then send a larger force to establish security.

In order to establish the security system of the outpost you need to start early in the spring or early summer. The deployment at Matin and Tatasara happened late.

Also there is another thing. Last winter we were pushed to retreat from Matin and the eastern part of Seri where we gave 1 martyr in the attack before the major attack on Matin. For now Seri is stable, but just for now...

It was said many times by analyzers and myself included that you can not expect a different result when you employ the same means. There was a reason why our forces were commanded to retreat last winter. Alright, you want to change concepts by keeping them there in the winter, but why you send them there in the autumn or early winter when absolutely no effective work can be done on the positions including ensuring even the basic needs of the soldiers like cover from the elements and heating? The long standing positions in the area are there because the logistics were ensured to a grade and appropriate security system was established due to experience (terrorist attacks), analysis and time for work to be done on them.

I am leaving this below the text so it is more visible:

YOU CAN NOT EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS WHILE YOU DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN

This is valid for everything TSK does in the north of Iraq. A dumb organization like PKK manages to adapt, but TSK can not. I can not accept this. EDOK must work 24/7, doing academic researches on these issues, sending representatives in the operation areas if needed and find a solution to this tunnel problem. If it was not for the tunnels, we would've reached Basrah by now...

 

[Scott Summers]

Only solution is to annex Northern Iraq completely, like Israel did with the Golan Heights and Morocco with West Sahara.

Annex it and buid settlements, towns, infrastructure, introduce the Turkish Lira and put armed colonists there like in the West Bank. Than you have 100% control and eyes.

And you can start to turn all those mountains and their caves in highways and autobahns.

 

[CAN_TR]

It seems decision makers in TSK will never learn from mistakes or wrong attempts and come up with new strategies nor will those who made these mistakes ever will be taken into account.

Our soldiers are operating in very lightly defended outposts in the middle of PKK hotspots, Zap probably has the highest terrorist presence and then not taking countermeasures when weather conditions are in favour of the terrorists is resulting in such casualities. These operations started to late, nothing was done in the summer months, the defences are pathetic what they decided now is sitting the winter out (not fully prepared btw.).

 

[Slayer]

Doing the same and expecting a different result is the definition of idiocy.
Turks can be hardheaded and stubborn but damn it. Gordun surekli sehit veriyorsun o bolgede o zaman baska seyler yap.

 

[mehmed beg]

Any of those scumbags dead?