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[GoatsMilk]

@Jagdflieger

Nobody said that the Kurds were all terrorists. In fact the huge majority of Kurds dosn't share their view with the PKK / YPG.

The biggest victim of PKK terror has been the Kurdish people.

The problem is the propaganda against Turks is relentless, the media has completely moved away from calling the PKK a terrorist organisation, it hides its Marxist identity and its islam hating position. Instead they turn it into a race war that doesn't exist within Turkey, where the Turk is guilty of every imagined crime, while the marxists are freedom loving fighters.

Every crime they commit is ignored or kept hidden. There is a clear agenda at play here, "greater middle east" agenda.

 

[what]

@Fuzuli NL tag me again unnecessarily and it will be a ban, not just deleted.

If you have a problem with my moderation, spamming about it is not the way, go talk to the admins.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

@Fuzuli NL tag me again unnecessarily and it will be a ban, not just deleted.

If you have a problem with my moderation, spamming about it is not the way, go talk to the admins.

I admit I got carried away, but I'd like you to distinguish ad hominem from none.
It hasn't been the first time you delete a post from me for the silliest of reasons, whereas I know that I comply with forum rules.
Sarcasm or posts you personally don't like are not forbidden under forum rules, so I'd like you to be a little less trigger happy even when you personally don't like my posts.
I didn't want to take the admins' time for something as trivial as this really, I just wanted you to understand.
That is all.

 

[Manomed]

Those Seljuks from a 1000 years ago have as much to do with today's Turkey, as today's Greek with Agamemnon or his brother in Mykene. - nothing

There are no places in Minor-Asia that haven't been occupied by others before being conquered by e.g. Romans, Byzantines, Seljuks or Mongols - as such today's Turkish people are a mix of everything. Looking at history in regards to e.g. white sheep's and black sheep's contra Ottomans - even belonging to the same Turk immigrant roots they been warring and killing each other for centuries.
It was the Ottoman Turk who conquered and as such united all kinds of Turk tribes and loads of non Turk tribes and kingdoms.
And the great Saladin Ṣalāḥ al-Dīn Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb, btw. was a Kurd. And it was his Ayyubid dynasty that controlled Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc. and not some Turk tribe.
And before him there was a Hārūn al-Rashīd ibn Muḥammad al-Mahdī ibn al-Manṣūr al-ʿAbbāsī, of the Abbasid caliphate (actually a Persian) who drove of the Umayyad dynasty.

As I said please don't distort history

Ayyubids literally doesn't accept themself being Kurdish lmao. Saladdins mother was Turkic origin.
Funnily selaaddin ayuubid was working for the Zengid army(Turkic seljuks.)

Also Abbasids hate persians you are the one deluding history with pro Iranian sources lmao.

Also How is seljuk not related to us DD Turks brought into anatolia by Seljuks.

 

[Ryder]

People are forgetting Sultan Qutuz and Baybars were Turks.

You really think Qutuz and Baybars are an Egyptian name

 

[Anastasius]

Lots of chechens settled in eastern Turkiye many got Kurdified.

Lots of ethnic groups got kurdified really dont know how that happened in Eastern Turkiye.

Yeah, how could possibly kicking out Shia Azerbaijanis and Turkmen during Ottoman times and replacing them with Sunni Kurds result in an area becoming Kurdified? A mystery for the ages indeed.

Alright, sorry for the edgy sarcasm but come on.

Come on guys stop it please with this distortion of history

Unless you find it agreeable that anything with a relation to Germanic, Teutonic, Ostrogoths and the Visigoths belongs to or represents Germany

Well, yeah. Teutonic history, Germanic history, Ostrogoths, Visigoths all somewhat represent Germany. What we know today as Germany is like two dozen or more kingdoms with various cultures and histories but it's still Germany.

 

[Anastasius]

Exactly - so why are millions of Kurds, and terrorist orgainsations placed in the same sentence or placed in the same barrel?
It's just like accusing millions of Irish to be IRA terrorists.

Because they aren't? Turkey has been pretty consistent that the conflict is against the PKK and its various "rebranded offshoots". Foreign "media" is the one that keeps banging on about "the Kurds" as a monolith either out of stupidity or actual malice.

IRA was mature enough to lay down their arms and try political means when this was proposed. PKK, when peace proceedings were proposed, just used the opportunity to smuggle a tons of weapons and terrorist fighters into Turkey and then restart the conflict.

One is an organization that can be reasoned with while the other isn't.

 

[Ryder]

Yeah, how could possibly kicking out Shia Azerbaijanis and Turkmen during Ottoman times and replacing them with Sunni Kurds result in an area becoming Kurdified? A mystery for the ages indeed.

Alright, sorry for the edgy sarcasm but come on.

Well, yeah. Teutonic history, Germanic history, Ostrogoths, Visigoths all somewhat represent Germany. What we know today as Germany is like two dozen or more kingdoms with various cultures and histories but it's still Germany.

Only thing Kurds have been trouble upon trouble.

Also Turkiye has lots of ethnic groups who are not Turk and are not causing problems.

In the past Armenians and Greeks were causing it now its the Kurds.

I made my feelings really I could careless if its racist to point to it out.

These lands belong to us and will since the end of time. If they dont want peace only we thing agree to is war.

Also Kurds, Armenians and Greeks are not a threat alone the problem is various countries using them against us as pawns and proxies.

We dominated these regions for centuries which became our home. We will continue to dominate.

 

[Jagdflieger]

Yeah, how could possibly kicking out Shia Azerbaijanis and Turkmen during Ottoman times and replacing them with Sunni Kurds result in an area becoming Kurdified? A mystery for the ages indeed.

Alright, sorry for the edgy sarcasm but come on.

Well, yeah. Teutonic history, Germanic history, Ostrogoths, Visigoths all somewhat represent Germany. What we know today as Germany is like two dozen or more kingdoms with various cultures and histories but it's still Germany.

No sorry, they don't represent today's Germany at all - no straight thinking person in Germany will bring up a 1000 years ago history in order to justify presently a "hypothetical" suppression of minorities or their respective terrorist branches living in Germany or next door.

The IRA was willing to give up it's armed struggle because Britain was willing to go halfway towards them - unfortunately this is not the case with Turkey.

But hey - your country your issue - but you can't expect sympathy or consent from other countries whilst only taking war and killings into consideration as being a solution - or even waging war in another souvereign country, and condemning or categorizing any peaceful solution proposal by others as a "hidden agenda to destroy Turkey".

 

[Jagdflieger]

@Jagdflieger

Nobody said that the Kurds were all terrorists. In fact the huge majority of Kurds dosn't share their view with the PKK / YPG.

Then maybe you need to read back onto the last 10-20 posts.

 

[Ravenman]

Then maybe you need to read back onto the last 10-20 posts.

I am of Kurdish origins and i dont see racism here against Kurds. Turkey is the only country in the world where Kurds are first class civillians.

Me and my familly have lands and mansions in Turkey. We have stores, we can speak freely in Kurdish and we can register Kurdish names for our kids. We can celebrate Kurdish hollidays and watch Kurdish television.

We have the same rights as others in Turkey. We dont have temporarily rights or second class ID's like in Syria, Iran or Iraq. I never got the question from authorites about etnicity, thats not done in Turkish culture.

There is no difference between Turks and Kurds in Turkey. Not one milimeter. The differences are only born when foreign states and NGO's intervene with their dubbel agendas and racist and biased identity policies. Otherwise there is no sectarianism or racism in Turkey.

Dont you guys have enough problems with millions of refugees and neo nazis in Germany?

Why are you guys so interested in Turkish internal affairs?

 

[UkroTurk]

While Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused the USA of feeding some organizations in Syria during his visit to Turkey, a scandalous move came from his country. Ferhat Abdi Şahin, codenamed 'Mazloum Kobani', was broadcast on the Russian state channel RT, YPG/PKK ringleader.

Rusya'dan skandal hamle! Terör örgütü elebaşını devlet kanalına çıkardılar

Rusya Dışişleri Bakanı Sergey Lavrov, Türkiye ziyaretinde ABD'yi Suriye'deki bir takım örgütleri beslemekle suçlarken ülkesinden skandal bir hamle geldi. Rus devlet kanalı RT'de YPG/PKK elebaşı 'Mazlum Kobani' kod adlı Ferhat Abdi Şahin yayına çıkartıldı.

www.haberler.com

 

[Anastasius]

No sorry, they don't represent today's Germany at all - no straight thinking person in Germany will bring up a 1000 years ago history in order to justify presently a "hypothetical" suppression of minorities or their respective terrorist branches living in Germany or next door.

The IRA was willing to give up it's armed struggle because Britain was willing to go halfway towards them - unfortunately this is not the case with Turkey.

But hey - your country your issue - but you can't expect sympathy or consent from other countries whilst only taking war and killings into consideration as being a solution - or even waging war in another souvereign country, and condemning or categorizing any peaceful solution proposal by others as a "hidden agenda to destroy Turkey".

So Germans don't consider the Holy Roman Empire one of their own? The Germanic tribes that warred against the Romans? Who are you trying to fool here?

Turkey was also willing to go halfway and all that Turkey got from it was death and destruction. And you know this because it has been explained to you at least 4 times in this thread.

 

[Jagdflieger]

I am of Kurdish origins and i dont see racism here against Kurds. Turkey is the only country in the world where Kurds are first class civillians.

Me and my familly have lands and mansions in Turkey. We have stores, we can speak freely in Kurdish and we can register Kurdish names for our kids. We can celebrate Kurdish hollidays and watch Kurdish television.

We have the same rights as others in Turkey. We dont have temporarily rights or second class ID's like in Syria, Iran or Iraq. I never got the question from authorites about etnicity, thats not done in Turkish culture.

There is no difference between Turks and Kurds in Turkey. Not one milimeter. The differences are only born when foreign states and NGO's intervene with their dubbel agendas and racist and biased identity policies. Otherwise there is no sectarianism or racism in Turkey.

Dont you guys have enough problems with millions of refugees and neo nazis in Germany?

Why are you guys so interested in Turkish internal affairs?

I was suggesting a Kurd state in Syria - not in Turkey
And I find it for my part not agreeable to condemn 25-30million people - due to terrorist organizations such as PKK or YPG drawing their recruits via all kind of dubious methods from that population. (As long as this remains unchecked or uncontrolled - how on earth would you expect a change to come about)?
Which IMO is being done here - via forwarding stating that an independent Kurdish state in Syria would automatically result in further wars and violence. Kurd's are born troublemakers, etc.

 

[Jagdflieger]

So Germans don't consider the Holy Roman Empire one of their own? The Germanic tribes that warred against the Romans? Who are you trying to fool here?

There was never a united Germany before January 18, 1871.
The Holy Roman Empire of German nations - as the title says was a loose confederation of Kingdoms, Duchies and Fiefs that mostly spoke a German related language
and therefore incorporated areas even such as todays Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Bohemia, etc.etc. etc. At very few times and for very short periods the elected Kaiser of this Federation sometimes proved to be powerful via waging war against those opposing him.
A famous Swabian noble family were the Staufer - e.g. Barbarossa aka Friedrich I. Duke of Swabia was maybe the most famous and powerful elected Kaiser.

Just because the Swabians (a Germanic tribe) conquered parts of Spain and Sizily and other places - no straight forward thinking German would now bring into a discussion of 2022, that Sicily isn't Italian but German. So why bring in Seljuks? in regards to a Kurdish state in 2022?

Turkey was also willing to go halfway and all that Turkey got from it was death and destruction. And you know this because it has been explained to you at least 4 times in this thread.

I am not aware of such a proposal - when? and maybe you can give me some information on that matter?

 

[Anastasius]

There was never a united Germany before January 18, 1871.
The Holy Roman Empire of German nations - as the title says was a loose confederation of Kingdoms, Duchies and Fiefs that mostly spoke a German related language
and therefore incorporated areas even such as todays Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Bohemia, etc.etc. etc. At very few times and for very short periods the elected Kaiser of this Federation sometimes proved to be powerful via waging war against those opposing him.
A famous Swabian noble family were the Staufer - e.g. Barbarossa aka Friedrich I. Duke of Swabia was maybe the most famous and powerful elected Kaiser.

Just because the Swabians (a Germanic tribe) conquered parts of Spain and Sizily and other places - no straight forward thinking German would now bring into a discussion of 2022, that Sicily isn't Italian but German. So why bring in Seljuks? in regards to a Kurdish state in 2022?

I am not aware of such a proposal - when? and maybe you can give me some information on that matter?

And Italy didn't exist before 1861. And Leonardo da Vinci wasn't Italian. And Frederick the Great wasn't German. Dude, come on.

2015, Turkey openly made overtures towards lasting peace with PKK. Didn't work, PKK ended up using the opportunity to smuggle weapons and militants into the country which it took the Turkish army around 2 and a half years to completely clear out of the country.

My knowledge of it is limited as an Azerbaijani but I'm sure other Turkish members here will be glad to oblige.

 

[GoatsMilk]

While Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused the USA of feeding some organizations in Syria during his visit to Turkey, a scandalous move came from his country. Ferhat Abdi Şahin, codenamed 'Mazloum Kobani', was broadcast on the Russian state channel RT, YPG/PKK ringleader.

Rusya'dan skandal hamle! Terör örgütü elebaşını devlet kanalına çıkardılar

Rusya Dışişleri Bakanı Sergey Lavrov, Türkiye ziyaretinde ABD'yi Suriye'deki bir takım örgütleri beslemekle suçlarken ülkesinden skandal bir hamle geldi. Rus devlet kanalı RT'de YPG/PKK elebaşı 'Mazlum Kobani' kod adlı Ferhat Abdi Şahin yayına çıkartıldı.

www.haberler.com

Russians always play these dirty games, but when your as incompetent as Erdogan you keep getting fooled.

If you wanted to play the same dirty russian games, the moment Lavrov landed on Turkish soil the operation should have started. Instead you keep begging the nation that intends you harm. A nation that justified the invasion and potential annexation of Ukraine under "Muh Nazi's". Meanwhile they are constantly threatening you not to hit in a group in Syria that has literally committed thousands of attacks on Turkish soil.

Nothing will be achieved with these political islamist fools. Nothing.

Religion in politics has only ever been bad news for Turkiye. Makes us impotent and incompetent.

 

[borchadinho]

I was suggesting a Kurd state in Syria - not in Turkey
And I find it for my part not agreeable to condemn 25-30million people - due to terrorist organizations such as PKK or YPG drawing their recruits via all kind of dubious methods from that population. (As long as this remains unchecked or uncontrolled - how on earth would you expect a change to come about)?
Which IMO is being done here - via forwarding stating that an independent Kurdish state in Syria would automatically result in further wars and violence. Kurd's are born troublemakers, etc.

Kurds in Syria form barely 10% of the population clustered in pockets limited to Northern Syria, you want to give hegemony to a minority of ethno facists like YPG (PKK), brush aside the rights of Arabs who form the majority and other minorities, Turkmen, Yazidis, Assyrians.

Of course you can not advocate a PKK state in Turkey, you would get an immediate ban, so let's give them a state in Syria right? Lets make it clear, we see right through your minority rights BS.

Turkey reached out to PKK several times to give up arms, the PKK never had the intention to do this and what would it's puppet masters in the region and beyond think.

 

[Ravenman]

I was suggesting a Kurd state in Syria - not in Turkey
And I find it for my part not agreeable to condemn 25-30million people - due to terrorist organizations such as PKK or YPG drawing their recruits via all kind of dubious methods from that population. (As long as this remains unchecked or uncontrolled - how on earth would you expect a change to come about)?
Which IMO is being done here - via forwarding stating that an independent Kurdish state in Syria would automatically result in further wars and violence. Kurd's are born troublemakers, etc.

The parts of Syria where they want to establish a state are lands owned and occupied by Turkmens, Assyrians and also Druzes for centuries now. Establishing a Kurdish state there, is like establishing a state for Sikhs in Bavaria.

There must be etnic cleansing before you can do that like in Palestine. We have already one Israel in this region. Turkey or our neighbour states cant accept a second Israel at borders.

You guys from Europe are talking behind your desks about a region you have no knowledge of. If it is so easy, then first convince Spain to establish a free Catalunian state, or France to establish a free Bask state, or Belgium to establish a free Flemmish state, or the Netherlands to establish a free Frysian state.

 

[Ryder]

This guy vouching for pkks bs and gets a moderator title.