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If the SNA had manpads the russians would bomb from high alltitude missing their targets by atleast 1 km😂 Seriosly they should get alot of manpads, aswell as anti tank missiles. The western world are proffesionals in using proxies around the world. Turkey should do the same method. Tell them to attack, and when the big powers around the world complain to turkey, then Turkey should shake their head just like the americans are doing with PKK.

I mean stingers would have massively dented Russia's air campaign and pretty much an end to assads. God knows how many clips i watched of assad flying helicopters and dropping barrel bombs for example.

What's interesting about the YPG being given manpads by both Russia and the USA is that the only nation that they could possible use them against is Turkey.
 

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I read some of your comments and it intrigued me. What do you think Turkey should do in Syria for its interests?

We have a very serious refugee problem. And these refugees came mostly because they were persecuted under the PKK/YPG administration.
We can leave all this back to Syria for our own benefit. However, in this case, many problems will arise and we will be complicit in crimes against humanity. In order for people to live in Syria, we need to clear an area 30 kilometers deep from our border. But the government is not doing this operation for some reasons that I don't understand. We are basically enemies with the PKK/YPG, but we cannot act due to the American and Russian activities there.
I don't like the Assad government either, it is personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. If we are to make a deal with the Assad regime, we must be very careful. When we send refugees back, we have to make sure they don't commit massacres again. Otherwise, if we try to hand it over to the Assad administration in an unplanned manner, we will be partners in crimes against humanity.

Syria is a dead end for now. And when Turkey recovers economically and military projects are completed and implemented, the army will become much stronger. In this period of time, there will be operations/attacks against Assad and the PKK/YPG administration in Syria, and the Syrian problem will be resolved in the next 10 years.
 

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I read some of your comments and it intrigued me. What do you think Turkey should do in Syria for its interests?

We have a very serious refugee problem. And these refugees came mostly because they were persecuted under the PKK/YPG administration.
We can leave all this back to Syria for our own benefit. However, in this case, many problems will arise and we will be complicit in crimes against humanity. In order for people to live in Syria, we need to clear an area 30 kilometers deep from our border. But the government is not doing this operation for some reasons that I don't understand. We are basically enemies with the PKK/YPG, but we cannot act due to the American and Russian activities there.
I don't like the Assad government either, it is personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. If we are to make a deal with the Assad regime, we must be very careful. When we send refugees back, we have to make sure they don't commit massacres again. Otherwise, if we try to hand it over to the Assad administration in an unplanned manner, we will be partners in crimes against humanity.

Syria is a dead end for now. And when Turkey recovers economically and military projects are completed and implemented, the army will become much stronger. In this period of time, there will be operations/attacks against Assad and the PKK/YPG administration in Syria, and the Syrian problem will be resolved in the next 10 years.

The first issue concerning the PKK and its offshoots is that i don't think it can be defeated entirely, the reason for this is that its heads operate in america, europe and france. We have no real way of combating this, even nothing nations like Sweden give them safe haven and then insult us over NATO membership, let alone france and germany or russia.

But the danger can be managed and the best way to that is for the Turkish military to control northern syria/iraq.

Whatever happens its important that Turkey does not backtrack, you leave syria and iraq and they will rush to create their pkkistan/kurdistan that will be primarily used to destabilise Turkey and provoke the common Kurd into open revolt.

Whether they can create a greater kurdistan is not their primary ambition, their aim is to push relentlessly for its creation to destabilise the region.

In my mind the primary reason for the american/european support towards the communist criminal network is isreal. Isreal is a paranoid state that fears for her existence, if you look at her history ever since her creation she has operated to undermine all regional actors. I have nothing against Jews or Isreal, but its a mad crazy idea to take european jews and place them in the centre of the arab muslim world, it was never going to work and won't ever work and Isreal will never feel safe without a buffer. The west supports the communist kurds because they are divisive and can be used against all regional states. They cannot support Muslim Kurds because Muslims Kurds are likely to be against Isreal and Sunni Muslims will look towards Turkey while Shia will look towards Iran. Many Kurds who support AK party are islamist in nature for example.

The secondary reason is our geography worries Europe and Russia, this is why greece is so one sidely supported and why nations like armenia who are allies of Russia and Iran, get more western support then Turkey. The greek attempt to annex Cyprus was an example of trying to cut Turkey out of the east med.

Ultimately the get of jail card is going to be our military developments. Those guys working in that industry are critical to the sovereignty of the Turkish republic. Every time they make an advancement no matter how small, we move towards a stronger and safer Turkey. At all costs this must continue and it must continue to succeed.

Anyway back to point. Every operation into Syria has made our enemies position weaker and ours stronger. So the obvious aim is to keep expanding operations. As it stands now Russia and the USA are united against us in Syria and the EU constantly causes us problems.

First thing you do, is you no longer save europe from refugees, you let them go onto europe. The EU is a vindictive and nasty racist organisation, it will do nothing for us thats good unless their own arse is on fire. Let the refugees go, that will force the EU to start begging us to do something about it instead of threatening us not to solve the problem.

In Syria the weak link is Russia, we need Turkey to move away economically from Russia. We cant let the threat of gas cuts hamper any actions we need to take. Once we cut ourselves off from Russian dependence you move on that region.

As far as the American controlled side is concerned, the YPG should be targeted day and night, non stop. The situation must be made pointless and untenable for the Americans there.

But whatever happens what we cannot do is leave Syria while iran, usa and russia are there.
 

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The first issue concerning the PKK and its offshoots is that i don't think it can be defeated entirely, the reason for this is that its heads operate in america, europe and france. We have no real way of combating this, even nothing nations like Sweden give them safe haven and then insult us over NATO membership, let alone france and germany or russia.

But the danger can be managed and the best way to that is for the Turkish military to control northern syria/iraq.

Whatever happens its important that Turkey does not backtrack, you leave syria and iraq and they will rush to create their pkkistan/kurdistan that will be primarily used to destabilise Turkey and provoke the common Kurd into open revolt.

Whether they can create a greater kurdistan is not their primary ambition, their aim is to push relentlessly for its creation to destabilise the region.

In my mind the primary reason for the american/european support towards the communist criminal network is isreal. Isreal is a paranoid state that fears for her existence, if you look at her history ever since her creation she has operated to undermine all regional actors. I have nothing against Jews or Isreal, but its a mad crazy idea to take european jews and place them in the centre of the arab muslim world, it was never going to work and won't ever work and Isreal will never feel safe without a buffer. The west supports the communist kurds because they are divisive and can be used against all regional states. They cannot support Muslim Kurds because Muslims Kurds are likely to be against Isreal and Sunni Muslims will look towards Turkey while Shia will look towards Iran. Many Kurds who support AK party are islamist in nature for example.

The secondary reason is our geography worries Europe and Russia, this is why greece is so one sidely supported and why nations like armenia who are allies of Russia and Iran, get more western support then Turkey. The greek attempt to annex Cyprus was an example of trying to cut Turkey out of the east med.

Ultimately the get of jail card is going to be our military developments. Those guys working in that industry are critical to the sovereignty of the Turkish republic. Every time they make an advancement no matter how small, we move towards a stronger and safer Turkey. At all costs this must continue and it must continue to succeed.

Anyway back to point. Every operation into Syria has made our enemies position weaker and ours stronger. So the obvious aim is to keep expanding operations. As it stands now Russia and the USA are united against us in Syria and the EU constantly causes us problems.

First thing you do, is you no longer save europe from refugees, you let them go onto europe. The EU is a vindictive and nasty racist organisation, it will do nothing for us thats good unless their own arse is on fire. Let the refugees go, that will force the EU to start begging us to do something about it instead of threatening us not to solve the problem.

In Syria the weak link is Russia, we need Turkey to move away economically from Russia. We cant let the threat of gas cuts hamper any actions we need to take. Once we cut ourselves off from Russian dependence you move on that region.

As far as the American controlled side is concerned, the YPG should be targeted day and night, non stop. The situation must be made pointless and untenable for the Americans there.

But whatever happens what we cannot do is leave Syria while iran, usa and russia are there.
With all those enemies around us, it baffles my mind that we don't have Nukes...
 

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With all those enemies around us, it baffles my mind that we don't have Nukes...

I've always felt that nukes are important because of Russia, that is the one nation that is mad enough to drop a nuke and her people would have no issues with it. And that's the problem you face about hitting them in syria is that they hold the nuclear card over your head. If we had nukes we pretty much neutralise it. Because nuking Turkey means Russia getting nuked and they won't risk Russia for parts of northern syria.

But the problem Turkey has is that its something that can never be advertised until its needed, because these same enemies would hate to see a nuclear capable Turkey.
 

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But the problem Turkey has is that its something that can never be advertised until its needed, because these same enemies would hate to see a nuclear capable Turkey.
Not only they would hate that, but they'd also actively look out for any tangible proof under every nook and cranny possible to "nip it in the bud."
 

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I've always felt that nukes are important because of Russia, that is the one nation that is mad enough to drop a nuke and her people would have no issues with it. And that's the problem you face about hitting them in syria is that they hold the nuclear card over your head. If we had nukes we pretty much neutralise it. Because nuking Turkey means Russia getting nuked and they won't risk Russia for parts of northern syria.

But the problem Turkey has is that its something that can never be advertised until its needed, because these same enemies would hate to see a nuclear capable Turkey.
Once Erdogan said that some countries have 1000 of nukes but he can not have them, "this is not acceptable" is it empty talk or is there something behind?
I hope for the sake of the country that there is some truth behind it.
 

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Once Erdogan said that some countries have 1000 of nukes but he can not have them, "this is not acceptable" is it empty talk or is there something behind?
I hope for the sake of the country that there is some truth behind it.
I’m pretty sure our „allies” would already exposed something like that or wait till it is in a critical stage to shit on us.
 

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I’m pretty sure our „allies” would already exposed something like that or wait till it is in a critical stage to shit on us.

If were being rational its only a matter of time before more nations have the capability if they already don't. They won't be able to keep that sort of weapon out of the hands of the world indefinitely at some point its going to give. Just like at the start armed drones were for a just a couple of nations, now everyone has them and they are easy to acquire.

A nation like Isreal which really has no history of statehood whatsoever and its debatable even if they could have ever survived without american/european support has nuclear weapons. Which tells you that nuclear weapons are about domination and subjugation. You can't have it because the guys who have it want to be able to dominate you and threaten you.

So rationally if you care about your nation and your people, you need to have it too. When citizens of non-nuclear power nations start rushing to argue the western mans viewpoint about why you should never have it, it shows the level of psychological manipulation they have come under.
 

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Kenan Evren actually wanted nuclear weapons for Turkiye.

Turgut Ozal also wanted Turkiye and Argentina to cooperate which actually came close until the Americans pressured with embargoes and sanctions if the plans went through.
 

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Kenan Evren actually wanted nuclear weapons for Turkiye.

Turgut Ozal also wanted Turkiye and Argentina to cooperate which actually came close until the Americans pressured with embargoes and sanctions if the plans went through.

If its going to be done its not going to be advertised and i suspect it will be achieved in Pakistan, where there is nothing unusual about nuclear activity or research.
 

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Its actually true he flirted with the idea with Pakistan.
Well, he must be placating the masses then. Cause there's no chance someone so deep inside the US's shadowy mass could ever achieve that without the US's tacit approval. And we all know the odds of that.
 

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Well, he must be placating the masses then. Cause there's no chance someone so deep inside the US's shadowy mass could ever achieve that without the US's tacit approval. And we all know the odds of that.

Im trying hard not to blame Albanians for this 😆
 

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Well, he must be placating the masses then. Cause there's no chance someone so deep inside the US's shadowy mass could ever achieve that without the US's tacit approval. And we all know the odds of that.

Any political leader in Turkey who advertises it clearly is on board with the USA. As you say a placating approach. When erdogan made his statement about nuclear weapons, it made me actually think there is less chance we are getting them. Because you are not going to advertise it and those political leaders who feel comfortable advertising such things must be on the US payroll to feel safe doing so.

Even the Iranians despite everything showing they are looking to acquire the weapon constantly say they don't want it.
 

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Any political leader in Turkey who advertises it clearly is on board with the USA. As you say a placating approach. When erdogan made his statement about nuclear weapons, it made me actually think there is less chance we are getting them. Because you are not going to advertise it and those political leaders who feel comfortable advertising such things must be on the US payroll to feel safe doing so.

Even the Iranians despite everything showing they are looking to acquire the weapon constantly say they don't want it.

If Turkiye does get nukes it will be plausible deniability along with not confirming or denying.

Nuclear armed Turkiye does not sit well with the USA and Russia.

Ukraine War should be a wake up call as the Americans and the Russians promised neutrality if they gave up their nukes.

Well look at that as USA did nothing to defend Ukraine getting invaded while Russia easily use that agreement like toilet paper.

Never take their word.

Ukraine not only became dependant on another nation for defence it also got invaded.

That agreement nothing now imagine if Ukraine did not give up its nukes!!
 

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When erdogan made his statement about nuclear weapons, it made me actually think there is less chance we are getting them. Because you are not going to advertise it and those political leaders who feel comfortable advertising such things must be on the US payroll to feel safe doing so.
TBH his statement was quite ambiguous and rather clever actually.
The only reason we interpret that statement as an intent to pursue nukes is the paranoid response Western psyche gave after his statement.
 

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TBH his statement was quite ambiguous and rather clever actually.
The only reason we interpret that statement as an intent to pursue nukes is the paranoid response Western psyche gave after his statement.

always keep in mind that feto threw their entire support behind erdogan.
 
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