Military Operations Syria

[Iskander]

No one is asking that Azerbaijan should do something about the conflict in Palestine because they can’t

And I won’t talk about the Azerbaijan oil supply to Israel because moral and ethics are subjected nowadays

But Azerbaijan shouldn’t take part under any circumstances with the coming Iran-Israel next middle east great war . If you will side with Israel and US , it’s ok but you have to bare the consequences, and it’s going to be deadly

Look at what will happen to Qatar soon

You may have noticed that during the Karabakh war, NATO member Canada, immediately after the first TB-2 was shot down and Canadian optronic modules were found in it, immediately banned its supply to Turkey, a member of the same organization.
But Israel did not stop supplying us with weapons during the war, despite strong pressure from many Christian countries and organizations.
We appreciate it.

Of course, we do not need to interfere in the squabbles of the "big guys". It is unlikely that anyone will attack Iran from our territory. So the probable attack will happen without our participation. But in the event of the Ayatollahs losing control over the country or the northwestern region and probable chaos in the area where millions of Turks live, I do not rule out our participation in order to protect our brothers.

 

[TR_123456]

But Azerbaijan shouldn’t take part under any circumstances with the coming Iran-Israel next middle east great war . If you will side with Israel and US , it’s ok but you have to bare the consequences, and it’s going to be deadly

Look at what will happen to Qatar soon

Do you know something we dont know?

 

[Lool]

Erdogan's silence regarding the recent Israeli attack is nerve wrecking
Is he keeping his silence out of weakness or because he is gonna get what he wants regardless of Israel's desires? The next few days will reveal a lot but for now, Israel won the first round against Turkey in an overwhelming sense

 

[Lool]

The north got ignored and AKP made peace with PKK/YPG... now they're a ticking timb bomb. I say take the whole north and screw their corridor.

Honestly, I agree with you on this 100%
If Turkey took Northern Syria, then the T4 airbase would be useless and even Israel wouldnt mind Turkey getting the T4 airbase if the north is under Turkey

But here is the problem, the north is protected by the US and the SDF still lives; thus, it is important for the TSK to take the T4 airbase to surround the PKK from all sodes and slowly suffocate it and Israel wont sit quietly and watch the PKK, which is the most potent card against Turkey, be reduced to mere rubble

As I told you before, it is now a game of wits and who is willing to sacrifice the most to get what he wants. Will Israel control Syria for Israel's interest or will Turkey control Syria for Turkey and Syria's interests? This is the question and only time will tell which side will win

 

[Tabmachine]

You may have noticed that during the Karabakh war, NATO member Canada, immediately after the first TB-2 was shot down and Canadian optronic modules were found in it, immediately banned its supply to Turkey, a member of the same organization.
But Israel did not stop supplying us with weapons during the war, despite strong pressure from many Christian countries and organizations.
We appreciate it.

Of course, we do not need to interfere in the squabbles of the "big guys". It is unlikely that anyone will attack Iran from our territory. So the probable attack will happen without our participation. But in the event of the Ayatollahs losing control over the country or the northwestern region and probable chaos in the area where millions of Turks live, I do not rule out our participation in order to protect our brothers.

I think right now its quite likely that Azerbaijan would coordinate with and support Israel in the event of a direct conflict with Iran. They may not allow direct engagement from their territory, if the probabilities of success are too uncertain, but within managed risk they would try to facilitate the opportunity to retake South Azerbaijan for sure.

It would be insane for two nuclear-capable states to engage in such activity however. I don't think any non-nuclear state should be eager to become an open beligerent in such a scenario.

 

[Iskander]

Honestly, I agree with you on this 100%
If Turkey took Northern Syria, then the T4 airbase would be useless and even Israel wouldnt mind Turkey getting the T4 airbase if the north is under Turkey

But here is the problem, the north is protected by the US and the SDF still lives; thus, it is important for the TSK to take the T4 airbase to surround the PKK from all sodes and slowly suffocate it and Israel wont sit quietly and watch the PKK, which is the most potent card against Turkey, be reduced to mere rubble

As I told you before, it is now a game of wits and who is willing to sacrifice the most to get what he wants. Will Israel control Syria for Israel's interest or will Turkey control Syria for Turkey and Syria's interests? This is the question and only time will tell which side will win

There is nothing to take in Syria. Syria needs help in strengthening the central government, taking control of its own territories and normal development of the country. Then, in a sense, all of Syria will be yours.
Are you suggesting annexing the north of Syria? Israel annexed the Golan Heights 60 years ago and got an eternal enemy. Who is it advantageous for you to have in Syria? Enemies? Or 30 million allies! If you occupy the north, you send an invitation to others - the south will be occupied by other, the east - by someone else, the country will be torn apart, the Iranians, Russians, Israelis, Americans, French - everyone will want to build their military bases. This will be an eternal nightmare for both the Syrians and Turkey.

 

[Iskander]

I think right now its quite likely that Azerbaijan would coordinate with and support Israel in the event of a direct conflict with Iran. They may not allow direct engagement from their territory, if the probabilities of success are too uncertain, but within managed risk they would try to facilitate the opportunity to retake South Azerbaijan for sure.

It would be insane for two nuclear-capable states to engage in such activity however. I don't think any non-nuclear state should be eager to become an open beligerent in such a scenario.

Look, Armenia, with the support of Russia, occupied our territory. 25 years later, when Russian-Armenian relations were at their worst, we attacked and defeated the Armenian army. Because of Turkey's support, the Russians did not dare to start a war, and they had to watch from afar as their ally was being slaughtered.

Southern Azerbaijan is our long-standing national problem. But to join the US and Israel and attack a neighboring Muslim country? This, in my opinion, is the worst thing we can do. We are not strategic allies of either. If in 3-5 years Iran attacks us with its countless missiles, America and Israel are unlikely to come to our aid.

 

[AWP]

Of course, we do not need to interfere in the squabbles of the "big guys". It is unlikely that anyone will attack Iran from our territory. So the probable attack will happen without our participation

This is a quote from an article from one of the top Israeli strategic study centers

( A group of high-level Iranian military officers visited Baku in August 2004, urging Azerbaijan to cease security cooperation with Israel and stop receiving Israeli military and intelligence officer )

Direct Israeli attack won’t happen from Azerbaijan soil , but for sure all Israeli made radars, communication equipments, field agents and local military intelligence will be under Israel disposal

That will give Iran full legitimacy to retaliate against Azerbaijan with full force, in both logical terms and under international laws

But in the event of the Ayatollahs losing control over the country or the northwestern region and probable chaos in the area where millions of Turks live, I do not rule out our participation in order to protect our brothers.

This Turks brotherhood is the bullshit opium for nationalists

Turkey shouldn’t help Azerbaijan and destroy it self because Azerbaijan made a mistake and helped Israel to attack strong country like Iran in order to appease Israel who’s at the moment see Turkey as an enemy

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

This Turks brotherhood is the bullshit opium for nationalists

No, it's not. Stop projecting your inferiority upon other races.

Just because you arabs watch how other arabs get genocided doesn't mean that Turks would do the same. Türkiye helped Azerbaijan and a decades old dispute ended in 44 days.

Now, where are all your arab Countries for palestina today? I see your brothers getting smashed every single day.

So, what will you guys do?

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735671732520747364

See alone the Production Roadmap for the Deliveries of Hisar AD Systems to TAF, it will take till to 2028. Hisar A + & O + is not alone what we could need to deter Israel ! Hisar is just a Part of a layered Air Defence ! We need also offensive Weapons to hit their Military Infrastructure, ground based early Warning Asessts, their main Jet Bases as well Raffineries and other critical Infrastructure ! Till now Turkey is just capable of conducting Operations in it's close Proximity, for example the Aegean.

 

[GoatsMilk]

No, it's not. Stop projecting your inferiority upon other races.

Just because you arabs watch how other arabs get genocided doesn't mean that Turks would do the same. Türkiye helped Azerbaijan and a decades old dispute ended in 44 days.

Now, where are all your arab Countries for palestina today? I see your brothers getting smashed every single day.

So, what will you guys do?

They will talk plenty of shit, mostly lose wars and then murder each other and not much else.

 

[TR_123456]

This Turks brotherhood is the bullshit opium for nationalists

No,Muslim brotherhood is the creme de la creme,right?

Turkey shouldn’t help Azerbaijan and destroy it self because Azerbaijan made a mistake and helped Israel to attack strong country like Iran in order to appease Israel who’s at the moment see Turkey as an enemy

Iran always has seen us as the enemy and yeah Iran is a strong country but only on paper.
What has Iran done to defend Palestine or any other Muslim country?
Azerbaijan is our red line,nobody touches it,not because the current government but because of our people.
If it were up to the current government,Azerbaijan would be alone now.
Why dont you comment on why most Arab countries siding with Israel like the UAE and KSA?
We dont have to fight your wars for you,do we?
Be happy Erdogan is there because after Erdogan there wont be any more Muslim brotherhood from the Turkish side(looks that way).

 

[AWP]

No,Muslim brotherhood is the creme de la creme,right?


Iran always has seen us as the enemy and yeah Iran is a strong country but only on paper.
What has Iran done to defend Palestine or any other Muslim country?
Azerbaijan is our red line,nobody touches it,not because the current government but because of our people.
If it were up to the current government,Azerbaijan would be alone now.
Why dont you comment on why most Arab countries siding with Israel like the UAE and KSA?
We dont have to fight your wars for you,do we?
Be happy Erdogan is there because after Erdogan there wont be any more Muslim brotherhood from the Turkish side(looks that way).

I avoid talking about the Arabs because it’s a lost cause and time waste

And yes with Erdogan or someone else I think that Turkey shouldn’t involve with Azerbaijan war with with Iran in case they did it for Israel, not just for what would happen to Turkey during this war but for what will happen after. A weak Iran with revenge motives will have impacts for decades, one example is arming Kurdish groups on Iranian borders, that’s one of many

My issues with your comment that you always frame it within the Islamic or nationalist ideas, while my point is applicable on other conflicts like China vs Japan. Japan shouldn’t enter a conflict with China over Taiwan or the US

 

[Ryder]

I believe in a pan Oghuz Turkic brotherhood.

It sounds much more logical than trying to appeal to other Turkic groups.

Turkmenistan is fully on the Central Asian Bloc and is a weird dictatorship.

Honestly Turks, Arabs and Muslims all over the world need to get their act together.

I doubt Turkiye is gonna directly confront ama Turkiye is gonna truly wage proxy war against Israel.

Israel has it coming. Russia and Iran are getting what they deserve now its zionist regime to taste its medicine. Ama Turkiye needs to play it smart.

 

[Tonyukuk]

I believe in a pan Oghuz Turkic brotherhood.

It sounds much more logical than trying to appeal to other Turkic groups.

Turkmenistan is fully on the Central Asian Bloc and is a weird dictatorship.

Honestly Turks, Arabs and Muslims all over the world need to get their act together.

I doubt Turkiye is gonna directly confront ama Turkiye is gonna truly wage proxy war against Israel.

Israel has it coming. Russia and Iran are getting what they deserve now its zionist regime to taste its medicine. Ama Turkiye needs to play it smart.

I fully agree.

To be completely honest, Oghuz Turkic groups hold all the key areas for the Turkic World. Türkiye has sea access, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan would need to unite across northern Iran for a continuous Turkic world.

Kipchak Turkic countries need to dealbwith a triple threat of China, Russia and Islamic extremism. Kazakhstan can serve as an important location for strategic depth, but we're talking far in the future.

If Türkiye grabs northern Syria and Iraq, Iran would be fully encircled. I wonder how relations would change with Israel and Iran when Erdoğan leaves. You gotta remember that ties were good until the late 2000s. I just wonder, have they declared Türkiye a permanent threat? Will they consider a more nationalist government an even greater threat than the current Islamist one? Will this cause them to make concessions?

 

[Tabmachine]

Look, Armenia, with the support of Russia, occupied our territory. 25 years later, when Russian-Armenian relations were at their worst, we attacked and defeated the Armenian army. Because of Turkey's support, the Russians did not dare to start a war, and they had to watch from afar as their ally was being slaughtered.

Southern Azerbaijan is our long-standing national problem. But to join the US and Israel and attack a neighboring Muslim country? This, in my opinion, is the worst thing we can do. We are not strategic allies of either. If in 3-5 years Iran attacks us with its countless missiles, America and Israel are unlikely to come to our aid.

Based on what I've seen from your post history Iskander, I'm sure you yourself would be against the idea. Aliyev however I think would not really care about the Muslim country aspect (based on my current exposure). The practical considerations you mention though are simply fact, and will be a deterring factor. I don't think Aliyev is so foolish as to render your country a sacrificial lamb for the Israelis.

 

[TR_123456]

My issues with your comment that you always frame it within the Islamic or nationalist ideas, while my point is applicable on other conflicts like China vs Japan. Japan shouldn’t enter a conflict with China over Taiwan or the US

It is you(check your posts) who keeps bringing up the Nationalist Turks and the only counter to that is the ''Islamic Brotherhood''.

Look,my problem is that you call Iran a strong country,iran is nothing but a paperclip(Iran can prove me wrong).
Heard or seen anything from Iran after Israel finished Hezbollah?

 

[Tabmachine]

I fully agree.

To be completely honest, Oghuz Turkic groups hold all the key areas for the Turkic World. Türkiye has sea access, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan would need to unite across northern Iran for a continuous Turkic world.

Kipchak Turkic countries need to dealbwith a triple threat of China, Russia and Islamic extremism. Kazakhstan can serve as an important location for strategic depth, but we're talking far in the future.

If Türkiye grabs northern Syria and Iraq, Iran would be fully encircled. I wonder how relations would change with Israel and Iran when Erdoğan leaves.

The areas to the south of the caspian are the most densely populated within Iran, but if Azerbaijan was to offer those populations the possibility of a secular and representative government while under Azerbaijani military control (perhaps heavily administered by Iranian Azerbaijanis), it may be possible to sell them on the idea.

The economic benefits of that stable east-west connectivity would be immense.

If Iran got to that point though, the Americans/Israelis would certainly be a factor however, and would be eager to interrupt anything empowering the Turkish countries which would be next on the menu.

 

[TR_123456]

Honestly Turks, Arabs and Muslims all over the world need to get their act together.

There is no act to get together.
Muslim countries cannot and will never unite,this is a fact.

 

[Ryder]

There is no act to get together.
Muslim countries cannot and will never unite,this is a fact.

I know this they wont unite. We all know this but they should get their act together if they dont want to be another Gaza.