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The areas to the south of the caspian are the most densely populated within Iran, but if Azerbaijan was to offer those populations the possibility of a secular and representative government while under Azerbaijani military control (perhaps heavily administered by Iranian Azerbaijanis), it may be possible to sell them on the idea.

The economic benefits of that stable east-west connectivity would be immense.

If Iran got to that point though, the Americans/Israelis would certainly be a factor however, and would be eager to interrupt anything empowering the Turkish countries which would be next on the menu.

I doubt Azerbaijan would support war against Iran. If Iran Collapses. Azerbaijan is perfectly fine in taking South Azerbaijan.

Lets be honest here i dont think USA and Israel would tolerate a country like Azerbaijan taking care of its own interests.

Its all about balkanising and keeping the region in flames.

As much as I would want Russia and Iran to collapse because they are Turkiye's historical enemies. Their collapse can also be dangerous.

Future of Iran is not to collapse but for it to have Turks ruling the country like in the old days.

Russia would be hella dangerous because people said it would be a true battle royale with every federation having nukes lets not forget the various factions for control. We seen how deadly the Russian civil war was after ww1.
 

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Excellent analysis by Clash Report
If the post is true, then it seems that at the very least there are some within the AKP that understands the value of T4 and Palmyra which are intertwined with Syria's security and the fact that Israel wants Syria destabilised to create more terror risks for Turkey amd create more refugee waves towards Turkey, as well


The problem here is that till now, Turkish response have been rather weak tbh with Israel winning the first round with a big margin. Is it just the preparation phase or an eternal Israeli victory? Time will tell
 

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Excellent analysis by Clash Report
If the post is true, then it seems that at the very least there are some within the AKP that understands the value of T4 and Palmyra which are intertwined with Syria's security and the fact that Israel wants Syria destabilised to create more terror risks for Turkey amd create more refugee waves towards Turkey, as well


The problem here is that till now, Turkish response have been rather weak tbh with Israel winning the first round with a big margin. Is it just the preparation phase or an eternal Israeli victory? Time will tell
it not really an eternal victory since the US has fucked itself on the global stage and a weaker US means weaker Israel in the long run plus by 2030 a lot of the boomers that support israel in the US are going to die out and the younger generation isn't going to support them like the boomers will.

Turkey on the other hand will greatly lessen the military tech gap by then that is why israel is freeking out today and is being extreme it wants a conflict today not tomorrow.

In other words an eternal israeli victory is impossible as long as AKP doesn't plunge Turkey into a civil war.
 

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Excellent analysis by Clash Report
If the post is true, then it seems that at the very least there are some within the AKP that understands the value of T4 and Palmyra which are intertwined with Syria's security and the fact that Israel wants Syria destabilised to create more terror risks for Turkey amd create more refugee waves towards Turkey, as well


The problem here is that till now, Turkish response have been rather weak tbh with Israel winning the first round with a big margin. Is it just the preparation phase or an eternal Israeli victory? Time will tell

Im happy no Turks got killed.

Those zionists terrorists are gonna try it again.

Turkiye should build bases close its border than slowly expand it. If Israelis want to violate Turkish airspace.

Give them the Russian treatment in 2015.
 

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There is no act to get together.
Muslim countries cannot and will never unite,this is a fact.

Indeed man lets not forget that Israel is being helped by the UAE and Israel is helping the UAE.

So much for Ummah solidarity.

It was a mistake to even sell equipment after Turkiye and UAE put their differences behind. Uae used it just to bide its time before striking in Sudan and in Somalia. UAE wants Somailand as a base.

Middle East has a new problem. You have Israel and the UAE against Turkiye. This time they are working in the shadows.
 

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Indeed man lets not forget that Israel is being helped by the UAE and Israel is helping the UAE.

So much for Ummah solidarity.

It was a mistake to even sell equipment after Turkiye and UAE put their differences behind. Uae used it just to bide its time before striking in Sudan and in Somalia. UAE wants Somailand as a base.

Middle East has a new problem. You have Israel and the UAE against Turkiye. This time they are working in the shadows.
A few weeks ago, the US and Israeli air forces conducted exercises in Saudi Arabian airspace, practicing strikes on Iran.

Which country has been responsible for Saudi Arabia's defense since the Cold War?
The United States of America!
Where do millions of Muslims of the Ummah travel each year to perform the Hajj?
To Saudi Arabia.
Where did US President Trump make his first foreign visit in his last term?
To Saudi Arabia.
Where does the US President plan to make his first foreign visit?
To Saudi Arabia.
Who is Saudi Arabia's biggest ally?
The USA!
Which country is the US's closest ally?
Israel!
A vicious circlе :)

The question "Are Saudi Arabia and Israel allies?" is redundant.
 

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Random comment, but very true

"You destroyed the Assad regime and made us neighbors with Israel"


What a ridiculous situation

@Bogeyman

Do strategic masters like yourself have anything to say about this? Is this 7D chess, am I missing something?
Assad regime was an awoved enemy of all Turks. I do not miss that monster one bit. Anyone who thinks his departure is anything but good fot Turkey has lost the plot. Or, those people are afflicted with a sinister streak of secterianism as I have been finding out more and more.

It is far more understandable to call for a more intelligent and measured approach to the issue of Israel, but I don't understand this "Assad was better" talk. He wasn't. If anything, he didn't suffer enough for the harm he has done to Turks.
 

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Assad regime was an awoved enemy of all Turks. I do not miss that monster one bit. Anyone who thinks his departure is anything but good fot Turkey has lost the plot. Or, those people are afflicted with a sinister streak of secterianism as I have been finding out more and more.

It is far more understandable to call for a more intelligent and measured approach to the issue of Israel, but I don't understand this "Assad was better" talk. He wasn't. If anything, he didn't suffer enough for the harm he has done to Turks.
That's missing the point. Assad may have been a piece of shit, but he was weak.

Now Israel is seeping into Syria and nothing can stop them in the short term. A weak enemy has been replaced with a strong one, and there is absolutely no plan to stop them.
 

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That's missing the point. Assad may have been a piece of shit, but he was weak.

Now Israel is seeping into Syria and nothing can stop them in the short term. A weak enemy has been replaced with a strong one, and there is absolutely no plan to stop them.
I'm afraid that's simply a cope. When Assad was present, we had;
  • PKK infiltrations from north of halab
  • Russian presence
  • Iranian presence
  • PKK presence backed by USA
Now we have;
  • PKK presence backed by USA
  • Israelis near Damascus
You can't say that's a losing situation. We're still knee deep in shit, but it doesn't come up to our neck anymore.
 

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Random comment, but very true

"You destroyed the Assad regime and made us neighbors with Israel"


What a ridiculous situation

@Bogeyman

Do strategic masters like yourself have anything to say about this? Is this 7D chess, am I missing something?
This post shows how short-sighted that person is tbh
Bro, you need to understand that Assad was, is, and will be one of the biggest Israeli croonies that ever existed
It is his father, when he was the Defence Minister, that gave a portion of the Golan heights (his own country) to Israel in return for US support to make him the president

It is the Assad family that protected the PKK, and it was them that gave Iran the green light to intentionally hit the Syrians in Idlib to force a new migration wave to Turkey

Have you asked yourself why on earth is the Israeli jets destroying Syrian army weapons such as tanks, radars, and jets now and not during the Assad era? Havent you asked yourself how on earth did Israel know the secret warehouses that stored such weaponry? It is because such weapons were intended to be used against Turkey by the Assad regime as a proxy of several nations like Israel, Iran, US, and Russia but now that a pro-Turkey govt is in place, Israel is destroying such weaponry

This isnt 7D chess, it is just that Assad needed to go, and now Israel is trying its best to prevent the Syrians from returning to their country and rebuilding it because there will come a day when the Syrians will ask for their annexed territory and Israel doesnt want a strong Syria around its borders

In other words, Israel was a neighbour to Turkey from the very beginning but just in the form of a proxy called Assad. Now Turkey is a neighbour to Israel in the form of a proxy called Al-Joulani.
Spot the difference?

The current situation is bad but it slowly tilted to Turkey's favour and Israel, just like Turkey, now feels threatened and are annexing lands just like Turkey did in the past but without Western condemnation
 

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That's missing the point. Assad may have been a piece of shit, but he was weak.
Assad being weak did not have any advantages for us, with millions of Syrians in Turkey and with Syrian markets being closed to us. It was pretty advantageous for Israel as they still had free reign over Syrian airspace.

Assad being gone and Russians being reduced to a single base for the time being have great advantages for us, mainly the removal of the Idlib pocket threat from the board, which freed our hands a bit more against Russia.
 

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It was pretty advantageous for Israel as they still had free reign over Syrian airspace.
They would have air superiority either way...

you're all missing the point here

A corridor from Israel to the north is constantly being put to the table since the fall of Assad.

There's a reason why they backed HTS instead of some mild group. You'll quickly see how Syria will devolve into a warzone once again. To be completely fair, they underestimated Jolani, he's been smart, but they have a plan B.

Assad's fall may have led to Russia and Iran getting kicked out, but Americans are still in the north backing PKK, and their hold is even stronger now. You'll see how this will end, the only thing that can prevent it is a massive operation in the north. This won't happen as the government has made peace with PKK.

Israel has practically defeated the Shia Axis. Jolani might be playing it safe for now, but you'll soon see Syrian Sunni anti-Israel groups pop up, then you'll see what will happen.

We've seen this game again and again, it's crazy how no one knows their playbook.

And yeah Assad was terrible and should have been replaced, and Russian and Iranian influence should have been removed... But it's no coincidence that YPG has been unscathed in all of this and that a Jihadist group has essentially taken over Syria. The Americans and Israelis are playing a really easy game of "good vs bad".

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation, it seems like you all lose your shit as soon as anyone even remotely suggests that the post-Assad Syria is more dangerous and more advantageous to Israel.

Yes they may have preferred the previous status quo, but now they have a casus belli. Read that again.
 

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They would have air superiority either way...

you're all missing the point here

A corridor from Israel to the north is constantly being put to the table since the fall of Assad.

There's a reason why they backed HTS instead of some mild group. You'll quickly see how Syria will devolve into a warzone once again. To be completely fair, they underestimated Jolani, he's been smart, but they have a plan B.

Assad's fall may have led to Russia and Iran getting kicked out, but Americans are still in the north backing PKK, and their hold is even stronger now. You'll see how this will end, the only thing that can prevent it is a massive operation in the north. This won't happen as the government has made peace with PKK.

Israel has practically defeated the Shia Axis. Jolani might be playing it safe for now, but you'll soon see Syrian Sunni anti-Israel groups pop up, then you'll see what will happen.

We've seen this game again and again, it's crazy how no one knows their playbook.

And yeah Assad was terrible and should have been replaced, and Russian and Iranian influence should have been removed... But it's no coincidence that YPG has been unscathed in all of this and that a Jihadist group has essentially taken over Syria. The Americans and Israelis are playing a really easy game of "good vs bad".

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation, it seems like you all lose your shit as soon as anyone even remotely suggests that the post-Assad Syria is more dangerous and more advantageous to Israel.

Yes they may have preferred the previous status quo, but now they have a casus belli. Read that again.

Russia and Iran are gone now you have Americans and Israel.

Lets be honest here one is AIDS and the other is Cancer.

Turkiye not just had Russia and Iran knocked down but instead the problems did not end there because you have USA and Israel.

Right now as much as those bases are strategic and important. Turkiye right now needs to place them closer to border then slowly expand it.

AADS should be activated and if the Israelis want to violate Turkish airspace.

Give them the 2015 Russian treatment.

Assad was just a good puppet for Russia, Iran and also a great buffer for Israel.

Seriously Israel does need a taste of its own medicine. Turkiye needs to be a crocodile and wait for hours to strike. It shouldnt be shoot now and ask questions later.

Israel just like Russia and Iran have done many times are trying to bait Turkiye to attack them.
 

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Guys as much as we are focused on Israel.

Dont forget the UAE is also with them.
 

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AADS should be activated and if the Israelis want to violate Turkish airspace.

Give them the 2015 Russian treatment.
Israel just like Russia and Iran have done many times are trying to bait Turkiye to attack them.

Isn’t your first part of the post exactly what Israel wants when you say they want to bait Turkey to attack them?

”Give them the 2015 Russian treatment” means downing one of their jets, which for Israel would be enough to justify any ulterior aggression.
 

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A corridor from Israel to the north is constantly being put to the table since the fall of Assad.
Many people put forward many things. Israel doesn't have the capability or the force structure to force a corridor through the Syrian desert, Raqqa, tribal territory and Tabqa to the north. They barely handle the Druze and the tribes near Golan.
 
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