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Good thing is we control both of Syria's and Iraq's water supply.

So we have both of them at the balls.

Plus Syria has not renounced its land claims as they still want Hatay and even want span their claims to Adana and Gaziantep.
 

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Syria backed pkk and asala for decades.

We should have drone striked Assad's palace long ago to send a message.
 

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Yeah Hitler really saw Greece as a Natural Ally. He was furious when Mussolini declared war on Greece.

But when Greeks started kicking Mussolini's ass he had to intervene. The only good thing that came out of that war was the first strategic paratrooper landings of the world: The invasion of Crete from air.

Anyway, like all neutral countries we also traded with the third recih. We had Focke-Wulf 190 fighters in the Turkish Air Force. We had Panzer IVs in the Army.
There's nothing to be ashamed about this.

I cant believe it Italy lost.

It is said that if it wasnt for the Balkan wars the Italians could have lost in Libya or become a stalemate as the Ottoman troops led by Enver Pasha and Mustafa Kemal Pasha tied them down pretty much.

Italy ever since 1861 has been struggling with a proper victory. Italy got smashed by the Austrians in the battle of lissa this is when Austria was tied down by Prussia.

What makes the whole Italian invasion so humilating is that Greeks counterattck them into Albania!!!

What the f!!!
 
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@Nein2.0(Nomad) Yes, and contrast that with how ridiculously easy it was for the Wehrmacht to steamroll Greece.

in the entire invasion of Greece they lost like 5 thousand men. They lost another 5 thousand in Crete.
 

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Damascus positions itself as energy mafia for Lebanon​

Every good mafia don knows that the way to achieve more profit and power is to position oneself between things that people want and semi-legal services that a mafia can provide while corrupting institutions and law enforcers to allow the service to continue.

This may involve gambling or corrupting unions or moving drugs in a traditional mafia setting, but in a state setting, it can also mean putting a totalitarian regime state seeking legitimacy and profits astride the energy needs of another neighboring state. It seems the Assad family in Syria, which has plenty of mafia-like characteristics and mafia-like friends in Iran and Hezbollah, is now doing this to Lebanon’s energy sector.

A senior Lebanese delegation went to Syria last week with the intention of trying to get Syria to be a conduit for electricity and natural gas. This would help ease Lebanon’s fuel crises and the financial disaster that Lebanon is now living with. According to the reports, sending the delegation was an attempt to repair relations between Lebanon and Syria. This is mostly a false narrative because Hezbollah, which effectively controls Lebanon, is an ally of the Syrian regime and of Iran and Iran is an ally of the Syrian regime. Hezbollah sent many fighters to support Bashar al-Assad’s regime during the war and Hezbollah conducts Lebanese foreign policy on some issues, and insofar as it does, Lebanon and Syria are allies.



It is true that Syria occupied Lebanon for decades, withdrawing only after Hezbollah assassinated former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafic Hariri in 2005. For a short period, it seemed that those opposed to Hezbollah and Syria might come to power under an alliance led by Saad Hariri, son of Rafic. To prevent this, Hezbollah launched a war against Israel in 2006 and then engineered a dispute with Hariri and his allies in 2008 over Hezbollah’s demand to have its own communications network to support its state-within-a-state.

Fast forward to 2021. Lebanon is in a financial crisis. Most of the country is now on the verge of poverty. The country is billions in debt. Dangerous ammonium nitrate, stockpiled at the port, likely by Hezbollah, blew up last year and destroyed part of Beirut, killing over 200 people. Hezbollah holds the government hostage, has an ally in the president and has prevented a new Prime Minister from being appointed, much as it prevented a president from being appointed for years. This is the Hezbollah model: Hollow out Lebanon, turn it into a province within "Hezbollahstan," and then use it as a conduit for cash and corruption and weapons.

As Lebanon has sunk deeper into the swamp of Hezbollah’s grasp, it has become poor and more lawless. Now the question is whether it can have basic things, like gasoline at the pump, or electricity. Once a wealthy, prosperous and open-minded country, Lebanon is slouching toward neverending disaster.

Enter the Syrian mafia state. When your neighbor is in distress the natural thing for the mafia to do is to offer its support but in return for a favor. In this case, Lebanon’s delegation went to Damascus with the caretaker Defense Minister and acting Foreign Minister Zeina Akar, to ask Syria to enable Egyptian natural gas to enter from Jordan. It’s an offer that Syria would like because it makes Syria a broker for Lebanon, it gives Damascus legitimacy and leverage. Magically, it transforms Damascus from a pariah, to “helping” Lebanon solve its crisis. Damascus rides to the rescue, and Syria’s regime has wanted this opportunity for years.

“The Lebanese side asked Syria’s help in facilitating the transfer of Egyptian natural gas and Jordanian electricity through Syrian territories. The Syrian side welcomed the request,” said Nasri Khoury, the head of Damascus-based Syrian Lebanese Higher Council, a government-linked body for bilateral relations. He spoke following a two-and-a-half-hour meeting in Damascus, according to the AP.


Now, the important part. “The meeting is also a test for US sanctions against Iran and Syria, as Lebanon seeks to use Syrian pipelines and Iranian fuel through Syrian ports to tackle its power crisis,” the AP report noted. This means that the real incentive for Syria is that it can escape sanctions. Iran has been shipping fuel to Syria this month as well, hoping to offload it in Syria and transport it to Hezbollah. A US Senate delegation that recently visited Lebanon warned against the Iranian fuel shipments.

According to a Reuters report, “the United States has been in talks with Egypt and Jordan over a plan to ease Lebanon's power crisis. The Lebanese presidency has said it involves using Egyptian gas to generate power in Jordan that would be transmitted via Syria, which is under US sanctions including the so-called Caesar act.”

That means that Syria is basically saying to the US that either it will facilitate Iranian gasoline going to Lebanon or seek US support to go against America’s own sanctions, to enable Syria to bring in gas and electricity from Jordan and Egypt, empowering the Syrian regime as it becomes the new boss of Lebanon’s electric and gas needs. This is a brilliant maneuver for Syria. Egypt has been hinting it wants to bring Syria back into the fold. In addition, the Gulf states, Jordan and Iraq want a stable Syria and have also put out feelers to increase Damascus’ role in the Arab league and welcome it back into the Arab camp. The point is that the Syrian regime was sidelined by the war and many countries even worked with rebel groups.

Today, there is no appetite for more Syrian rebels. Countries want regimes and stability. No one wants the extremism of power vacumes. But Syria’s regime, backed by Russia and Iran wants things too. It wants trade, legitimacy and cash. It knows that relying on Iran is like a poor man relying on another pauper. Iran is under sanctions too. Syria wants the legitimacy that comes with brokering a deal with Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon with quiet or tacit US support. This is the magic wand around US sanctions. And Iranian gas can flow as well to help Hezbollah. Everyone wins, in the Syrian regime view. Hezbollah wins. Iran wins. Egypt and Jordan can also get things. Iraq may win as well, as trucks from Iran transit Iraq to Albukamal.

A hidden aside to this may be why Russia brokered the deal in Dara’a that ended months of fighting and saw 50,000 people displaced. Now Dara’a is quiet. The short-lived rebellion there, the first since the regime retook the area in 2018, was a threat to Damascus and its image. Now, with Russia as a broker again in southern Syria, gas and energy can transit from Jordan. Big money and influence may be at stake.

Regional media sense that something is afoot. Al-Jarida in Kuwait noted that this was the first Lebanese visit of this kind since 2011. “This visit, the first since 2011, has two objectives; The first is technical-economic research related to the import of Egyptian gas and Jordanian electricity through Syrian territory. The second is political, giving victory to Hezbollah and an opportunity for President Michel Aoun to strengthen his political position, based on his relationship and his openness to Syria.”

Al-Alam in Iran noted that “after the Syrian-Lebanese talks session at the Syrian Foreign Ministry building, Majdi al-Khoury said: ‘The Lebanese side requested the possibility of Syria's assistance to Lebanon in passing Egyptian gas and Jordanian electricity through Syrian territory. The Syrian side welcomed the request and confirmed Syria's readiness to meet that.’”
 

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Stay on topic please, and don't get heated on topics we can't do anything about.

Facts are we are neck deep in trouble. Until we fix our economy and get rid of refugees (btw the refugee stream would have done in Greece if not for RTE IMO) we can't really afford to have wars on our western front.

Especially not considering how the government seem to cripple TSK with their appointments.
 

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The stupid thing is to do nothing. No we have to move and we have to constantly find opportunities where we can make gains. We entered Libya, we entered Syria and Iraq and our movement allowed Azerbaijan to smash the hostile Armenians.

Back in 74 we had the entire world against us, we still entered cyprus and crushed the hostile greeks and stopped their genocide of the Turkish cypriots.
 
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Now you backtrack.

Dealing with Greece is not the same with dealing with America. Even then americans threatened war against us if we still entered Syria. Erdogan took trumps letter, wiped his arse with it and entered syria anyway.

When it comes to challenging our sovereignty our national freedom then we have to fight.
You don't get to debate with me after insulting me. Already reported to the mods.

Next time use your brain and understand what's being said before opening your mouth.

I haven't backtracked on anything.

Stay on topic please, and don't get heated on topics we can't do anything about.

Facts are we are neck deep in trouble. Until we fix our economy and get rid of refugees (btw the refugee stream would have done in Greece if not for RTE IMO) we can't really afford to have wars on our western front.

Especially not considering how the government seem to cripple TSK with their appointments.
Yeah exactly.
 

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No one is saying we shouldn't defend our national interests, and I believe that is why we are going to build those 10 Ada class, but I don't believe until the damn keel has been laid and we have a timeline for delivery.

10 new Ada class can guard our Mavi Vatan. and TCG needs to stop the greeks from unloading refugees on our islands. I think it's necessary to use warning shots in these cases.

Also since we don't seem to get new jets, we need to prioritize Hürjet more than anything and start building 60-80 of them and get to use them.

But we shouldnt pretend like the greeks are friends of Turks either, thats idiot talk. Just like its idiot talk to say once the americans leave syria that the russians will get rid of the ypg/pkk there.

regionally greece is our most hostile foe. No other nation works to oppose Turkey regionally and internationally as hard as the greeks do.

Best thing Turkey can do is build up her military might, to become so strong on paper that the idea of war alone makes our enemies submit. But if they don't we must be prepared to go all the way.

The Russians tried to threaten us not to enter Syria when their jets kept invading our airspace, we downed that shit and entered syria. The americans came out saying that Turkish assets would be targets if we enter, Trump wrote a letter threatening erdogan not to move. We still went it anyway. If we are willing to face america and russia over national interests, we should be willing to face the pathetic greek state of over geopolitical interests of far greater significance.
 

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Your not the victim. Its you guys who attempted the genocide of Turkish Cypriots and annexation of the island. Its you guys who attempt to cheat and swindle Turkey in the east med and Aegean and like the armenians you constantly attack Turkey at every opportunity.

You behave like the armenians, take a hostile position while claiming to be the victim. The armenians even went on record making territorial demands of Turkey herself, the result is fitting for such madness. A complete humiliation on the battlefield, territorial gains for Azerbaijan and the question of Armenian sovereignty coming under scrutiny.

Under this context war is good for Turkey.
The guy you quoted Azerbaijani, you know it right? :D
 

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I would like to point out that several of us are going around in circles, repeating the same excuses over and over again.

Please stop that, read the post and think over why they're writing like that.

Being a realist and considering your moves are way better than running into a wall head first.

Every sound Turk knows that governments and leaderships are what dictates countries foreign policies. But if countries have been indoctrinating the population to hate someone then that nation is lost, and we should be equally good at telling our children in the education system of the historic occurances. You can imprint nationalism without hate, and that is what governments should do.

Look at Syria and what has become of it. And to prevent any such occurrences we need nationalism imprinted through out education system. Which means we cannot allow any country to build our education system. We've reached a level where we can do it ourselves.

Also Imam Hatip is definitely wrong choice, as it, at its core erases nationalism. IMO All Imam Hatip should serve 24 months in TSK and be sent to frontlines to battle PKK and anywhere where we are. (including girls).

Let them know that religion and reality are two different matters.
 

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'Historical' interview from MIT President Hakan Fidan!​

It has been claimed that a meeting will be held in Baghdad, the capital of Iraq, between the Head of the National Intelligence Organization (MIT) Hakan Fidan and the Head of the Syrian National Security Ali Mamluk.​

05 September 2021 23:17
'Historical' interview from MIT President Hakan Fidan!


'Historical' interview from MIT President Hakan Fidan!


Turkey, which has been negotiating with the Syrian administration at the lowest level and through intermediaries for a while, is taking another step with MIT President Hakan Fidan. It was claimed that Hakan Fidan will have a tete a tete meeting with his counterpart, Syrian National Security President Ali Mamluk.

The first claim regarding the meeting to be held in Baghdad, the capital of Iraq, was made by sources close to Iraqi security elements. Turkiye newspaper reported that authorized names confirmed the allegations.

'AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE USA TO WITHDRAW'​

The meeting between Hakan Fidan and Ali Mamluk is also critical in terms of the US presence in the region and the statements about its withdrawal. The two most authoritative names of the Turkish and Syrian intelligence units last met in Moscow in January 2020.


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I'll be hoping for some good results. But tbh I do not imagine that Assad would want the refugees back. As those who stayed are those he'll keep to rebuild the nation.
 

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'Historical' interview from MIT President Hakan Fidan!​

It has been claimed that a meeting will be held in Baghdad, the capital of Iraq, between the Head of the National Intelligence Organization (MIT) Hakan Fidan and the Head of the Syrian National Security Ali Mamluk.​

05 September 2021 23:17
'Historical' interview from MIT President Hakan Fidan!'Historical' interview from MIT President Hakan Fidan!


'Historical' interview from MIT President Hakan Fidan!'Historical' interview from MIT President Hakan Fidan!


Turkey, which has been negotiating with the Syrian administration at the lowest level and through intermediaries for a while, is taking another step with MIT President Hakan Fidan. It was claimed that Hakan Fidan will have a tete a tete meeting with his counterpart, Syrian National Security President Ali Mamluk.

The first claim regarding the meeting to be held in Baghdad, the capital of Iraq, was made by sources close to Iraqi security elements. Turkiye newspaper reported that authorized names confirmed the allegations.

'AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE USA TO WITHDRAW'​

The meeting between Hakan Fidan and Ali Mamluk is also critical in terms of the US presence in the region and the statements about its withdrawal. The two most authoritative names of the Turkish and Syrian intelligence units last met in Moscow in January 2020.


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I'll be hoping for some good results. But tbh I do not imagine that Assad would want the refugees back. As those who stayed are those he'll keep to rebuild the nation.

Turkey should really be looking for the complete annexation of northern syria. We can't keep playing these pkk games. Any nation attack america just once and they get completely invaded and destroyed. These clowns been attacking us thousands of times for many decades.
 
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I'll be hoping for some good results. But tbh I do not imagine that Assad would want the refugees back. As those who stayed are those he'll keep to rebuild the nation.
He said on his interviews that he wanted them back. I don't know how sincere he was but honestly it doesn't matter. They have to go.

What's interesting to me is that for many years it was clear that Assad would stay. And that he won the civil war.
But we choose now to start formal negotiations.

It's difficult to see where this will go.

I think there's too much bad blood between Assad and Erdoğan I don't think they could ever trust each other so a rapproachment is unlikely.
So I'm curious about what's being discussed here.
 

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He said on his interviews that he wanted them back. I don't know how sincere he was but honestly it doesn't matter. They have to go.

What's interesting to me is that for many years it was clear that Assad would stay. And that he won the civil war.
But we choose now to start formal negotiations.
We'd probably have to invest in Syria in return for the return of the refugees, but that's the price that we'll have to pay. Though I think it's more important we get that deal in place before EU.
 
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We'd probably have to invest in Syria in return for the return of the refugees, but that's the price that we'll have to pay. Though I think it's more important we get that deal in place before EU.
Why send Hakan Fidan to discuss refugees?

I think there's something else cooking here.
 
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@Saithan

I don't know man, it seems to me like it should start with low level diplomats and go up to the foreign minister.

Heads of intelligence meeting tells me that this is a defence related meeting. Maybe YPG is being discussed, maybe something else.

And more importantly, I don't think erdog. is trying to deport the syrians he's trying to keep them.
 

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He said on his interviews that he wanted them back. I don't know how sincere he was but honestly it doesn't matter. They have to go.

What's interesting to me is that for many years it was clear that Assad would stay. And that he won the civil war.
But we choose now to start formal negotiations.

It's difficult to see where this will go.

I think there's too much bad blood between Assad and Erdoğan I don't think they could ever trust each other so a rapproachment is unlikely.
So I'm curious about what's being discussed here.

Assad wants them back so he can butcher them again.
 

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