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Yes, we have the very useful S-400, see how they protect russians in ukraine.
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I guess no one wanna talk about the 200+ dogs who died from Al-Asad side today
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We can do the same thing and say the same words to them. It is our call now.
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One of the comment I found in this article about the downed Anka drone.
U.S. F-16 Shoots Down Turkish Drone Over Syria (Updated)
The incident comes as Turkey has stepped up its drone campaign against Kurdish targets following a bombing in Ankara on Sunday.
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I think this is a typical thewire under-thread comment. Anyway, I can't say I'm not happy that we are giving this kind of impression. We have been saying similar things here for pages and pages, inconsistency between US institutions. I think from a reciprocity point of view we might even have that kind of intention.View attachment 61647
One of the comment I found in this article about the downed Anka drone.
U.S. F-16 Shoots Down Turkish Drone Over Syria (Updated)
The incident comes as Turkey has stepped up its drone campaign against Kurdish targets following a bombing in Ankara on Sunday.
Btw, TAF was working overtime while everyone was sleeping
At the same time, it was one of the largest bombing campaigns of Idlib.
If TR bombing is over, it would mean US only gave them permission for a short period.
Also during the SAA bombing, one JÖH was killed and several injured after their base was bombed:
This occurred during the Assadist bombing campaign so it could have been them, unless the YPG could freely fire artillery while the TAF was conducting such an air campaign?
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Bruh, It was Israel who apologised and offered compensation.
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This is why its important to know your enemy and not trick yourselves over naivety that things like the "Kurdish lobby" has the power to make America threaten or attack Turkiye, let alone Kurdish lobbying having the power to unite the Americans, Russians and EU together on the side of the PKK against Turkiye as well as the entire media spectrum. What's happening with the Kurds in the region is all part of agenda in which America primarily, Russia, the EU and Isreal are all on board with, they only have slight caveats to what they want to see happen. The Kurds/PKK are simply their pawns.
But from our side of the border all of them would be happy to see a greater Kurdistan form against us. A weaker, smaller Turkiye is good for europe, its good for Russia, its good Isreal, it would have been good for Armenia too.
The Americans understand that the PKKistan project can only be realised in incremental steps. To create their Kurdistan in Iraq they needed Turkiye, well they got Turkiye and not only did they get Turkiye they got Turkiye to build it up. That same KRG in their media constantly runs with the same PKK propaganda of a greater Kurdistan. But Kurds in general are insanely tribal, all these groups may believe like the Armenians that they are going to take land from Turkiye with backers, but they all want to rule it.
Even things as basic as weather reports this is how they show it, for example a weather report from KRG media.
Pay attention to the ridiculous borders of the Kurdistan connecting to the med sea and the persian gulf as well control of the two major rivers in Turkiye. Thats entirely an imperial style project. Either the Kurds are feeling adventurous or the British drew that one up. Maybe its both, seeing how naïve the Kurds are maybe the anglo-american world is making them outlandish promises that Turkiye is not privy too.
Now lets move to Syria, prior to the civil war breaking out Turkiye had built a positive relationship with Assad, we were training their army, we removed visa's for travel and we were doing good business. When all of this was happening the westerners and their media ran with accusations that Turkiye was turning east, becoming friends with nations like Syria and Iran. This was all intended to create pressure on Turkiye to change course. Last thing they want Turkiye to do is have friends and to have options, but especially in a region where they needed Turkiye to help dismantle Syria.
Anyway fast forward, civil war hits Syria. In the first 6 to 9 months Turkiye was doing the right thing, trying to find a diplomatic solution. At the same time America and the EU was creating pressure on Turkiye to cut off contact with Assad and join the rebels, to keep a long story short Erdogan joined the rebels.
Turkiye was used as primary launching ground for the rebels to gain material and even men from outside. But they were never armed as to actually win a war. Still to this day the rebels were not given stingers/manpads as an example, conversely the YPG were. They were being trained and armed just enough to create destruction but not enough to win any war. Keep isreals rivals wasting their energies and resources. A bit like the war in Ukraine, keep it dragging out so both sides ruin themselves and the American gains more influence and greater power to be the king maker when the dust settlers.
Basically they were designed to weaken the central syrian government down as to release their control and influence over northern Syria. The region the americans want to turn into Pkkistan.
Every step of the way until a few years ago Turkiye wanted to enter, Davutoglu said we can enter if NATO ok's, not only would NATO not ok it but the message was always no to Turkiye. This is because if Turkiye went in she at a minimum made have made sure the entire north is taken away from the PKK. With the Potential that Assad would be overthrown. This would have been great for Turkiye. Terrible for the PKKistan agenda.
Then we fast forward and every step of the way we have been threatened and intimidated not to anything. The most recent example was trumps letter and their general openly stating that our army would become legitimate targets. Anyway we went in and it was cut short as they have been able to cut short all of our incursions.
The americans want to create a Kurdistan in Syria, they had hoped to push it all the way to the med sea. Now as a nation we must understand that its no good for them coming heavy on Turkiye now, until their Kurdistan is created in Syria. If you make the mistake in doing nothing eventually they may come directly onto us if their project succeeds in Syria. To protect Turkiye from a serious conflict with the USA you have to crush their plans in Syria. Its an incremental process.
If they didnt get their Kurdistan in Iraq, they wouldnt have looked to do what they have done in Syria. If they then get their Kurdistan in Syria its obvious what comes next. And the Americans have always utilised a good/cop bad/cop strategy against Turkiye to keep her deceived. They recongise the PKK as terrorists as a way for you to consent to their creation of a Kurdistan in Iraq, with American airbases in Turkiye used to protect during the saddam days.
They recognise the PKK as terrorists today but at the same they support them, where they can roam freely in Europe and spread anti-Turk pro PKK propaganda.
Tomorrow if they get their Kurdistan in Syria, i suspect that they will even remove the PKK as a recognised terrorist entity. This is the nuanced perception management they use against Turkiye to manipulate her actions, to give the americans the opportunities to incrementally enact their plans.
Before they come directly after Turkiye they have succeed in their prior steps. So you have to roll back them steps to take the push the danger away.
So they directly shot our drone, an open act where they will shoot us to protect the PKK assets that exist near their bases. The solution is to go even harder in hitting the pkk and push for new incursions. Because if they get Kurdistan in Syria we may even see a day where Americans will directly bomb our troops.
The number one threat facing Turkiye today is the PKK project going on in Syria, all energies must diverted against it. Because if you fail there, the escalation against Turkiye will become tenfold.
Turkiye shouldnt have been so passive about the drone downing, they simply should have said why would the Americans see the NATO drone as a threat. By showing weakness the likely hood that they will shoot the next drone down is more likely. I would also demand the Americans pay for it.
But its cute how the media focussed in on and called it an "ARMED drone" as a way to make the reader think there was a danger to the Americans and that danger was presented by Turkiye. Yes a military vehicle is armed, what a shock!
But from our side of the border all of them would be happy to see a greater Kurdistan form against us. A weaker, smaller Turkiye is good for europe, its good for Russia, its good Isreal, it would have been good for Armenia too.
The Americans understand that the PKKistan project can only be realised in incremental steps. To create their Kurdistan in Iraq they needed Turkiye, well they got Turkiye and not only did they get Turkiye they got Turkiye to build it up. That same KRG in their media constantly runs with the same PKK propaganda of a greater Kurdistan. But Kurds in general are insanely tribal, all these groups may believe like the Armenians that they are going to take land from Turkiye with backers, but they all want to rule it.
Even things as basic as weather reports this is how they show it, for example a weather report from KRG media.
Pay attention to the ridiculous borders of the Kurdistan connecting to the med sea and the persian gulf as well control of the two major rivers in Turkiye. Thats entirely an imperial style project. Either the Kurds are feeling adventurous or the British drew that one up. Maybe its both, seeing how naïve the Kurds are maybe the anglo-american world is making them outlandish promises that Turkiye is not privy too.
Now lets move to Syria, prior to the civil war breaking out Turkiye had built a positive relationship with Assad, we were training their army, we removed visa's for travel and we were doing good business. When all of this was happening the westerners and their media ran with accusations that Turkiye was turning east, becoming friends with nations like Syria and Iran. This was all intended to create pressure on Turkiye to change course. Last thing they want Turkiye to do is have friends and to have options, but especially in a region where they needed Turkiye to help dismantle Syria.
Anyway fast forward, civil war hits Syria. In the first 6 to 9 months Turkiye was doing the right thing, trying to find a diplomatic solution. At the same time America and the EU was creating pressure on Turkiye to cut off contact with Assad and join the rebels, to keep a long story short Erdogan joined the rebels.
Turkiye was used as primary launching ground for the rebels to gain material and even men from outside. But they were never armed as to actually win a war. Still to this day the rebels were not given stingers/manpads as an example, conversely the YPG were. They were being trained and armed just enough to create destruction but not enough to win any war. Keep isreals rivals wasting their energies and resources. A bit like the war in Ukraine, keep it dragging out so both sides ruin themselves and the American gains more influence and greater power to be the king maker when the dust settlers.
Basically they were designed to weaken the central syrian government down as to release their control and influence over northern Syria. The region the americans want to turn into Pkkistan.
Every step of the way until a few years ago Turkiye wanted to enter, Davutoglu said we can enter if NATO ok's, not only would NATO not ok it but the message was always no to Turkiye. This is because if Turkiye went in she at a minimum made have made sure the entire north is taken away from the PKK. With the Potential that Assad would be overthrown. This would have been great for Turkiye. Terrible for the PKKistan agenda.
Then we fast forward and every step of the way we have been threatened and intimidated not to anything. The most recent example was trumps letter and their general openly stating that our army would become legitimate targets. Anyway we went in and it was cut short as they have been able to cut short all of our incursions.
The americans want to create a Kurdistan in Syria, they had hoped to push it all the way to the med sea. Now as a nation we must understand that its no good for them coming heavy on Turkiye now, until their Kurdistan is created in Syria. If you make the mistake in doing nothing eventually they may come directly onto us if their project succeeds in Syria. To protect Turkiye from a serious conflict with the USA you have to crush their plans in Syria. Its an incremental process.
If they didnt get their Kurdistan in Iraq, they wouldnt have looked to do what they have done in Syria. If they then get their Kurdistan in Syria its obvious what comes next. And the Americans have always utilised a good/cop bad/cop strategy against Turkiye to keep her deceived. They recongise the PKK as terrorists as a way for you to consent to their creation of a Kurdistan in Iraq, with American airbases in Turkiye used to protect during the saddam days.
They recognise the PKK as terrorists today but at the same they support them, where they can roam freely in Europe and spread anti-Turk pro PKK propaganda.
Tomorrow if they get their Kurdistan in Syria, i suspect that they will even remove the PKK as a recognised terrorist entity. This is the nuanced perception management they use against Turkiye to manipulate her actions, to give the americans the opportunities to incrementally enact their plans.
Before they come directly after Turkiye they have succeed in their prior steps. So you have to roll back them steps to take the push the danger away.
So they directly shot our drone, an open act where they will shoot us to protect the PKK assets that exist near their bases. The solution is to go even harder in hitting the pkk and push for new incursions. Because if they get Kurdistan in Syria we may even see a day where Americans will directly bomb our troops.
The number one threat facing Turkiye today is the PKK project going on in Syria, all energies must diverted against it. Because if you fail there, the escalation against Turkiye will become tenfold.
Turkiye shouldnt have been so passive about the drone downing, they simply should have said why would the Americans see the NATO drone as a threat. By showing weakness the likely hood that they will shoot the next drone down is more likely. I would also demand the Americans pay for it.
But its cute how the media focussed in on and called it an "ARMED drone" as a way to make the reader think there was a danger to the Americans and that danger was presented by Turkiye. Yes a military vehicle is armed, what a shock!
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This written script is the same song which usa keep playing last 15 years.
This message does NOT have any value.
Bla Bla Bla.........
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One of the comment I found in this article about the downed Anka drone.
U.S. F-16 Shoots Down Turkish Drone Over Syria (Updated)
The incident comes as Turkey has stepped up its drone campaign against Kurdish targets following a bombing in Ankara on Sunday.
You can just replace Turkiye with usa for above source of information.
In usa there are many factions inside usa government which have own agenda and do own actions.
They just talk and talk what ever suits their side.
usa is against Turkiye.
usa ally is PKK
usa personals are members of different factions. Mean they have own plan, but no matter what they always side with enemy of Turkiye.
Bull shits like "bro", "friends" etc. have no values. What usa DID is Visible to all people. It is Hostile
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Its also a good smokescreen and works to numb the minds of their foes. You get caught up in the good/cop bad/cop routine and you stagnant to their plots. What's important is to watch what they do, in 99 cases out of a hundred its been hostile. But its always done in an incremental way, its never so much in one go that it could cause Turkiye to go war or to step away completely from NATO.
Keep Turks believing that their are rival factions, keep making them believe that if just this politician comes in or anther one goes out things will change. Nope it wont, they rival each other to a degree but the wider global geopolitical agenda they are all on board with concerning Turkiye.
its a long term agenda in play and once you come to terms with this America becomes entirely predictable.
If we would learn from our past dealings with the USA we wouldnt make the same mistakes. Everytime we wanted to go into Cyprus to stop the bloodshed, they either said nice words to placate us or made direct threats so we wouldn't enter. Its the same crap in Syria, for a while it was nice words about what they will do or what we should do, when they do nothing except arm your enemies and your ready to go in, then come the direct threats.
For years they bullshitted us that they couldnt strike assad because air defence systems, but when we wanted to go in it became very easy directly threaten us with war and confrontation.
Same shit with the arms deals, if you do this and that we will give you F16's, but if you dont do it you wont get it. And in pretty much all circumstances what they want us to do is detrimental to our own sovereignty.
So here is a prediction if you do nothing americans will create a kurdistan in syria, eventually they will work with the EU to make it real recongised state at the UN. Once this achieved the onslaught eventually turns directly to target Turkiye.
It may take another 30 years, but their agenda is obvious for anyone who has the confidence to come to terms with the reality. Most people are not, they are scarred to think that the USA could be working to destroy their nation.
Lets learn from Azerbaijan and Armenia. The USA, EU and Russia were all on Armenias side, but by playing your politics right and understanding the geopolitical realities armenia was crushed and there was nothing anyone could do about it. We need to be just as wise concerning Syria, we made a colossal mistake joining the american war against Assad. This isnt because i like Assad, but Assad was the lessor devil of the mess we have now.
The ultimate strategy the Americans employ against Turkiye is either to make us do nothing but look on or better yet to make us complicit and help the americans undermine ourselves. This is why on the one hand the PKK is recognised terrorist organisation while at the same time being given support within the EU. The good/cop bad cop is entirely designed to keep Turkiye off balance.
But i guarantee you this, if they get their pkkistan in syria, tomorrow the PKK will no longer even be recognised as a terrorist entity by them. In reality Turkiye being played like a fiddle, a constant hot and cold strategy against us.
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Seems TSK is continuing, another distribution center hit
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Alright, now show us how acquiring nukes will help Turkey not being partitioned. Don't mention Russia, just explain in case of Turkey
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Lol yeah, dusting off
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National guidance kits lit the oil fire in Syria
National guidance kits were used in the air operations carried out by the Turkish Armed Forces against the PKK/YPG terrorist organization targets in Syria last night.
The air operations launched yesterday by the National Intelligence Organization with UCAVs against the targets of the PKK/YPG terrorist organization in northern Syria continued at an increasing tempo during the night hours, with the involvement of F-16s of the Turkish Armed Forces.
According to the statement made by the Ministry of National Defense, F-16s; Destroyed more than 30 terrorist targets in Tel Rifat, Cizire and Derik regions. Among the terrorist targets destroyed: warehouses, shelters and oil facilities constituted the majority.
National guidance kits lit the oil fire
On the other hand, fires broke out in oil facilities under the control of PKK/YPG, which were hit by F-16s of the Turkish Air Force, and continued throughout the night. The Ministry of National Defense said, "A large number of terrorists were neutralized by using the maximum amount of domestic and national ammunition in the operations carried out." He made a statement.Developed with national resources by Turkish defense industry companies such as ASELSAN, Roketsan and TÜBİTAK-SAGE in operation by F-16s; It is evaluated that HGK, LGK, KGK, GÖZDE and TEBER guidance kits are used. National guidance kits, which provide precision strike capability to the Mark series general purpose bombs, also provide a range increase of up to 12 to 110 kilometers.
Finally, about 2 months ago, it was announced that ASELSAN GÖZDE Guidance Kit entered the inventory of the Turkish Armed Forces .
Suriye'deki petrol ateşini milli güdüm kitleri yaktı
Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri tarafından dün gece boyunca Suriye'deki PKK/YPG terör örgütü hedeflerine gerçekleştirilen hava harekatlarında, milli güdüm kitleri kullanıldı.
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