Military Operations Syria

[Oublious]

I made an Analysis about the Situation in Syria an the Deployment of turkish AD Systems in T- 4 Airbase near Palmyra.

In german Language, but you can translate it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907419062251995185

scheisse man...

 

[TR_123456]

I made an Analysis about the Situation in Syria an the Deployment of turkish AD Systems in T- 4 Airbase near Palmyra.

In german Language, but you can translate it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907419062251995185

You are assuming that we will take action against Israel,we wont so your assessment is wrong.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

You are assuming that we will take action against Israel,we wont so your assessment is wrong.

You mean Turkey will not deploy any Air Defence at T-4 Base ?

BTW: There were Strikes on T-4 Airbase, this could be seen as a direct Warning to Turkey.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907512558317085078

 

[TR_123456]

You mean Turkey will not deploy any Air Defence at T-4 Base ?

It will probably but will it activate the Air Defence is another question.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

No matter it is activated or not they will be Targets.

 

[Lool]

Whilst I agree that Israel is wrong to mess with Turks, they currently have a big advantage in air warfare. Going in so deep into Syria is a mistake imo.

You gave the answer to this post during your previous comments

In your previous post, you clearly stated why Turkey needs to delve deep into Syria and take the T4 airbase and that is to prevent the Israeli/Druze-PKK route from forming and that is exactly why the TAF wants Palmyra and that is why Israel wanna prevent them from doing so by conducting airstrikes

Until Kızılelma, or better yet KAAN is ready and in the inventory in good numbers, Israel will have a qualitative edge in the air. This advantage just increases the closer you get to Israeli borders.

If Israel decides to attack, there's little that Türkiye can do in return without deploying considerable assets, we're talking about a full on war.

So should Turkey watch while Israel creates a corridor to refinance amd resupply the PKK as well as invade Damascus to create a new refugee wave?

I bet this is what Erdoğan wants just to stay in power. Even if shit hits the fan, he'll be able to distract the population from internal problems, just like what Iran has been doing for decades.

I don't have faith in this government, or any Islamist entity that claims to want to counter Israel. If you want to beat Israel you need to beat them at their own game, have air superiority, be a more educated, more serious country than them. You can't just brute force them like the Axis or Arabs tried.

Islamists, Secularists, Kemalists etc.... all are traitors and all are doing the US's bidding
The only thing you do is to chose the one who gives Turkey the most possible benefits rn. What Erdogan is doing around Damascus and Homs is 100% in Turkey's favour

Iran was everywhere across Syria, Lebanon and had its fingers all the way into Palestine. We seen how that ended. I'm sorry to say but from the outside, Türkiye looks like it's falling into the same trap.

Do you know why Iran fell even though it spread throughout Syria?
It is because they didnt have the people's support.
Syria is a predominantly Sunni muslim state at a staggering (85%) which is in opposition to Shia Iran and Shia Assad govt. In order for the Iranian influence to persist, the Assad govt and Iran did the unthinkable to the local sunni population.

Turkey on the other hand is a major sunni state whom the Syrian people loves and support. In other words, the heart of the people is with Turkey and this makes it harder for Turkey to lose in Syria since unlike Assad and Iran that ruled through fear, Turkey is trying to show to the Syrians that it is ruling through friendship and brotherhood

Why on earth do you think Erdo refused to deport the Syrians even though Turkish public sentiment was against them since 2018 and political parties accross the whole right-left spectrum like the CHP and Zafer supported their deportation?

Now Turkey is slowly reaping the benefits of enduring the Syrian refugees for the past 10 years and this is reflected by how Turkey is the most loved nation by the Syrians rn and can literally do a lot of things that is normally impossible to do while having majority public support

If tomorrow Israel decides to attack, and Türkiye does an Iranian style "retaliation", all you Islamists on here need to answer some bloody questions.

This isnt about Islamists or any other form of governance but how much are you willing to sacrifice to get what you want

You need to understand that for Israel to thrive and be safe, all nations in the region must be plunged to chaos and this includes Turkey and this has been Israel's modus operandi for the past 4-5 decades

The primary aim of the Zionist-funded PKK was to create havoc and discord within Turkey and now they are about to lose such a potent card; thus, Israel is willing to fight tooth and nail to protect this card even if it meant fighting Turkey. Turkey on the other hand, was never so close to getting rid of the PKK, from controlling the supply lines that Assad used to finance/supp,y the PKK to attacking the PKK in Iraq. The PKK is being encircled and Israel doesnt like that.

Thus, it is now a fight to see who is ready to sacrifice the most to get what it wants; Israel to protect the PKK and ensure that Syria remains broken for the sake of Israel's internal security or Turkey's desire to end the PKK, install a pro-Turkey regime for the first time in 50+ years and strengthen Syria in order to act as a buffer zone against threats for the sake of Turkey's internal security

 

[Lool]

You are assuming that we will take action against Israel,we wont so your assessment is wrong.

As long as Israel dont harm Turkish troops one way or another, then I think Turkey wont act and this is why they are trying to prevent Turkey from going to T4.

However, if Turkish troops got hurt, then I think Turkey will respond

From recent reports, it seems that Turkey doesnt give a f**k and is planning to take T4 and Palmyra whether Israel likes it or not

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907515731173916733

Israel is willing to go to war to prevent Turkey from reaching T4 airbase

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907520831783309712

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

As long as Israel dont harm Turkish troops one way or another, then I think Turkey wont act and this is why tney are trying to prevent Turkey from going to T4

However, if Turkish troops got hurt, then I think Turkey will respond

To respond properly, we need long Range Strike Capabillities. Now we only posses some Tayfuns. In Februar a Tayfun SRBM with an expected Range up to 800 km was tested, enough to hit Targets deep in Israel. The Question is how many of these Missile are in TSK Invertory.

Kara Atmaca is also not in Service and for Gezgin will will maybe have to wait some Years. There are also no Informations if Kargi anti radiation UCAV have entered TSK Invertory.

 

[Huelague]

You mean Turkey will not deploy any Air Defence at T-4 Base ?

BTW: There were Strikes on T-4 Airbase, this could be seen as a direct Warning to Turkey.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907512558317085078

What are the reasons to break international law? Because I can? Because nobody could stop me? Because I am protected by a mighty „friend“?…

 

[Huelague]

As long as Israel dont harm Turkish troops one way or another, then I think Turkey wont act and this is why they are trying to prevent Turkey from going to T4.

However, if Turkish troops got hurt, then I think Turkey will respond

From recent reports, it seems that Turkey doesnt give a f**k and is planning to take T4 and Palmyra whether Israel likes it or not

The killed many Turkish citizens (Mavi Marmara issue), without any consequences. This time, they could pay a heavy price. And not only Israelis are legit targets.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

What are the reasons to broke international law? Because I can? Because nobody could stop me? Because I am protected by a mighty „friend“?…

I say not it's right for Israel to broke the international Law !

On the other Side which Capabillities have Turkey to Stop Israel ?

Only Tayfuns, some Hisar and one Battery Siper and S-400, were we rely on Russian approval ?

Anka-3 and Kizilelma still not entered Service, there is no Fighter Aircraft in TurAF Invertory with AESA Radar.

No ALBM comparable to Air LORA, no LACM, SRBM Invertory in built up Phase and no MRBM.

Since a short Time we produce the KTJ-3200 Engines for SOM, before we had TRI-40 and this limited the Range to 250 - 300 km. To Strike Targets deep in Israel from Safe Distance we need 500 km Range !

 

[Sanchez]

At some point we will need to discuss the escalation latter and the consequences of the possible Israeli Turkish standoff.

 

[Iskander]

What are the reasons to broke international law? Because I can? Because nobody could stop me? Because I am protected by a mighty „friend“?…

Forget about international law for 20 years

 

[Tonyukuk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907527767220007075

Hama hava üssüne toplamda 18 hava saldırısı gerçekleşti, T-4 Tiyas üssüne ise 2 hava saldırısı gerçekleşti. Hama hava üssü zannımca tamamen imha oldu. T-4 Tiyas'ta ise büyük zarar vardı, bugünle birlikte bence o da büyük oranda tahrip gördü. Bu işin %100 karlı çıkanı İsrail'dir. Türkiye hem laf dalaşında hem de sahada İsrail'e karşı ilk roundu bence dümdüz kaybetti. Lafa değil icraate bakmak lazım, İsrail her türlü icraati gerçekleştirdi. Bekleyene mi laf söyleyeceğiz bekletene mi? Bilemiyorum ancak bu konuda daha fazla bir şey konuşmak istemiyorum çünkü dilim sivrilecek. Yazık sadece, çok yazık.

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A total of 18 airstrikes were carried out on Hama airbase, and 2 airstrikes were carried out on T-4 Tiyas base. I think Hama air base was completely destroyed. There was great damage to T-4 Tiyas, and I think it has also been largely destroyed as of today. The one who has come out 100% profitable in this business is Israel. Türkiye has lost the first round flat against Israel, both in the verbal exchanges and on the field. We need to look at the actions, not the words. Israel has done everything it can. Shall we speak ill of the one who waits or the one who makes us wait? I don't know but I don't want to talk more about this because my tongue will be sharpened. It's just a shame, a very shame.

 

[Tonyukuk]

ou gave the answer to this post during your previous comments

In your previous post, you clearly stated why Turkey needs to delve deep into Syria and take the T4 airbase and that is to prevent the Israeli/Druze-PKK route from forming and that is exactly why the TAF wants Palmyra and that is why Israel wanna prevent them from doing so by conducting airstrikes

To clarify, I think T4 is important, but as stated previously air superiority is necessary. Like others stated, air defences by their own are just targets against a well orchestrated attack, and F-16s can't really do much against their F-35s. If Kızılelmas were in the inventory, that would definitely scare them off.

The north got ignored and AKP made peace with PKK/YPG... now they're a ticking timb bomb. I say take the whole north and screw their corridor.

 

[Oublious]

To clarify, I think T4 is important, but as stated previously air superiority is necessary. Like others stated, air defences by their own are just targets against a well orchestrated attack, and F-16s can't really do much against their F-35s. If Kızılelmas were in the inventory, that would definitely scare them off.

The north got ignored and AKP made peace with PKK/YPG... now they're a ticking timb bomb. I say take the whole north and screw their corridor.

A war conists off Air, land and sea. F35 is good but not that good, we need to give a message back at this level they will not listen. Bomb near ther border or bomb something.

 

[RMZN]

You mean Turkey will not deploy any Air Defence at T-4 Base ?

BTW: There were Strikes on T-4 Airbase, this could be seen as a direct Warning to Turkey.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907512558317085078

There wasn’t even any action taken against ypg terrorists when a golden opportunity presented itself. Israel did more to hamper a possible Turkish military buildup in Syria than the Turkish government did against a literal terrorist statelet right at its border. That alone says enough. Arresting political opponents and thereby causing further economic instability seems to be more important for Erdogan. An ever repeating clownshow. No matter how often Erdogan prays, Allah will not somehow destroy the israeli threat, a capable military backed by a strong and secure economy that can upkeep said military force is the only option.

 

[Tonyukuk]

A war conists off Air, land and sea. F35 is good but not that good, we need to give a message back at this level they will not listen. Bomb near ther border or bomb something.

That's what Iran did... Yeah let's lob some missiles towards them, that'll teach them!

We couldn't even destroy their statelet and terrorists are freely roaming across the north now, they're even in the Syrian government!

Absolute clownshow

Nothing good will happen under AKP, stop holding your breaths. Fidan is literally a Kurd.

 

[Oublious]

The world is burning litteraly as we write our opinions, Trump have started Tarif wars , ther was a tweet that Turkish engineers were killed but not confirmed.