TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Agha Sher]

I think with Bozok's software a drone can also engage multiple target simultaneously

 

[Zafer]

8 MAM-Ls weigh as much as 11 Bozoks
Probably a TB2 can carry 6 Bozoks; six jobs in one sortie instead of 4 which increases TB2's firepower by a half.

 

[I_Love_F16]

It was clearly mentioned that Bozok sits between Mam-C and Mam-L.
It hasn’t got the destructive power of Mam-L. It is for lightly armoured vehicles and vehicles that carry infantry and trucks.
Because of it’s lighter weight, UAVs like TB2 can stay in air longer. Or can operate at a higher altitude.

Sometimes it feels like MAM-L doesn't do enough damage. Would be cool to have something between MAM-L and MAM-T.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Thats why Sage is developing Kayı munitions. I think Bozok wasnt a need but Kayı 50 is definitely a need

 

[Oublious]

Sometimes it feels like MAM-L doesn't do enough damage. Would be cool to have something between MAM-L and MAM-T.

Bozok is the perfect weapon for asssasin missions what we do Iraq and Syria. It can fly higher and longer, you don't need heavy weapons, TB2 is the perfect killing drone. IF the Americans would have the chance to purchase it. They would do it with out qeustion.

 

[Quasar]

guess nobody else in the world has that much variety of ammunition for their drones.

-CİRİT
-MAM - C
-BOZOK
-MAM - L
-MAM - T
-KAYI 30
-KAYI 50
-KUZGUN family
-ÇAKIR
-SOM variants
-KGK
-HGK
-TEBER
-LAÇİN
-NEB
-SERT 82
-MİNYATUR BOMBA

-TRG 122 (potentially)
-TRG 230 (potentially)
-TRGL 230 (potentially) + indirectly already in use

-SUNGUR
-GÖKDOĞAN
-BOZDOĞAN

-ŞİMŞEK
-GÖKSUNGUR

-potentially you may even add ORKA light weight torpido to the list? @Anmdt

the list can be longer if we add ammunitions which can be guided by our drones

-any laser guided missile for instance TRGL 230

- hypotetially any future laser guided artilarry shells

 

[Heartbang]

guess nobody else in the world has that much variety of ammunition for their drones.

-CİRİT
-MAM - C
-BOZOK
-MAM - L
-MAM - T
-KAYI 30
-KAYI 50
-KUZGUN family
-ÇAKIR
-SOM variants

-SUNGUR
-GÖKDOĞAN
-BOZDOĞAN

-ŞİMŞEK
-GÖKSUNGUR

theoretically you may even add ORKA light weight torpido to the list

dont forget the TRG artillery rockets.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

It was clearly mentioned that Bozok sits between Mam-C and Mam-L.
It hasn’t got the destructive power of Mam-L. It is for lightly armoured vehicles and vehicles that carry infantry and trucks.
Because of it’s lighter weight, UAVs like TB2 can stay in air longer. Or can operate at a higher altitude.

Then the question should be, is it worth it? I mean financially.
If there is a decent difference in price compared to MAM-L then I'd understand, if not, I'd keep opting for the MAM-L for greater damage on targets.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Then the question should be, is it worth it? I mean financially.
If there is a decent difference in price compared to MAM-L then I'd understand, if not, I'd keep opting for the MAM-L for greater damage on targets.

Agreed!
As per @I_Love_F16 and @boracetkin have mentioned, if there has been instances whereby Mam-L appeared to have caused not enough damage, then instead of using an expensive munition like Mam-T, Sage’s KAYI munition with it’s 50kg overall weight will destroy any modern armour.
But if a known light armoured column is the target with maximum numbers to be eliminated, then Bozok is the logical solution.

TÜBİTAK SAGE'nin yeni Güdümlü Mühimmat Ailesi: KAYI

KAYI 30 kg (KAYI 30) ve 50 kg (KAYI 50) olmak üzere iki farklı sürüm bulundurmaktadır.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Merzifonlu]

IMHO, i disagree. I think our air power will be based on UCAV's in a shorter time than we expected. TFX will remain a kind of luxury and the workhorses of our air force will be drones like MIUS/TİSU and Akıncı./TB3/Aksungur. (Not F-16 or Hürjet) From this perspective, the aforementioned ammunition variety becomes a absolute necessity.

 

[TheInsider]

The diameter of the MAM-L is bigger (160mm vs 120mm) so it is better against armor than Bozok. Penetration capability of the shaped charge warheads scale with diameter.
The weight of the Bozok is 6kg lighter than MAM-L which means 4 Bozoks (64kg) can be carried rather than 3 MAM-L (66kg)

Bozok has advanced algorithms and INS for midcourse guidance that enables the capability of multi-engagement against Target of Opportunity and planned targets,

 

[Osman]

dont forget the TRG artillery rockets.

And Teber

 

[Nutuk]

Bozok is maybe instead of MAM-C who is too lightweight

 

[Siper>MMU]

MAM-C is useless Bozok will be better compared to it. But still I think while there is an excellent and highly produced munition like MAM-L, Bozok isn't a need. Kayı 50 (not 30, its like MAM-L) will be a great addition to our UAVs. AFAIK our UAV manufacturers wanted Kayı to be integrated to UAVs.

 

[Combat-Master]

MAM-C is useless Bozok will be better compared to it. But still I think while there is an excellent and highly produced munition like MAM-L, Bozok isn't a need. Kayı 50 (not 30, its like MAM-L) will be a great addition to our UAVs. AFAIK our UAV manufacturers wanted Kayı to be integrated to UAVs.

MAM-C took out a BUK launcher in Ukraine. It's far from useless!

 

[Siper>MMU]

A single kill doesn't make it good. We saw what it did to other equipment such as artillery, armored vehicles etc. Warhead is clearly not enough. They found it not enough so SAGE is now producing Bozok.

 

[Combat-Master]

A single kill doesn't make it good. We saw what it did to other equipment such as artillery, armored vehicles etc. Warhead is clearly not enough. They found it not enough so SAGE is now producing Bozok.

A single kill ? You clearly haven't seen the footage coming out from Ukraine. Your argument which is based solely on your own opinion but defers it 'They' who is the 'They'? Gurcan Okumus? Who clearly states in his recent interview that Bozok was developed as an in-between munition, not a replacement because MAM-C wasn't "enough".

MAM-C has it's place in Turkey's and other countries inventory, quit making up crap!

 

[UkroTurk]

Why do you have emotional attitude toward weapons? crossfying and exaggerating a machine by humans looks silly.

neither discrediting and nor exaggerating brings you something.
( However i was blamed of discrediting Bayraktars by the company representatives )

Here there isnt any person who has real combat experience.

 

[UkroTurk]

You guys look at the defense industry with pink glasses.

BS..Turkish defence industry is doing great.

 

[Agha Sher]

I didn't say its not great. Criticism what makes it better, but guys here can't take any. Not even in a single post of mine says it's bad or trash.

I agree with you that criticism is important. For example, the number of mostly similar munitions for UAVs is a waste of resources and poor planning. However, in many of your post you are overly negative.