TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Brokengineer]

If the KGK-Siha-82 has a seeker head that does not advertise too much that it is coming, and since it is very small, plus comparatively slow, the enemy ships’ radars won’t register it. The KGK class smart bombs have stealthy structures anyway. So they are not easily picked up by enemy radars.
In fact a turbojet engine of an Atmaca or CAKIR would be a dead give away if compared to a KGK-82 from that point of view.

The tests carried out from Aksungur and Akinci used this KGK-82. Seeker head is different.

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Yet the KGK-82 shown above post of @Bogeyman and below have a different seeker head. (A laser seeker head)
This may effect range and bomb‘s stealth. As can be seen the smart bomb has a stealth structure.
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That is some different appoach i did not think of. Lets see how effective hgk82 could be in future

 

[Yasar_TR]

Russian Supersonic Missile Blows Away Vessel

The Russian navy test fires a Moskit antiship missile in February of 2015. The P-270 Moskit is a Russian supersonic ramjet powered cruise missile. Its GRAU designation is 3M80, and its NATO reporting name is SS-N-22 Sunburn. The missile system was de

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Russian ramjet powered supersonic missile goes in from bow, almost comes out from stern.

 

[Ecderha]

Russian Supersonic Missile Blows Away Vessel

The Russian navy test fires a Moskit antiship missile in February of 2015. The P-270 Moskit is a Russian supersonic ramjet powered cruise missile. Its GRAU designation is 3M80, and its NATO reporting name is SS-N-22 Sunburn. The missile system was de

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Russian ramjet powered supersonic missile goes in from bow, almost comes out from stern.

There already leak it information that russian supersonic goes to supersonic for ~5 sec and that is all from lunch to target.
Even more there are many cases that almost all of missiles even do NOT able to reach supersonic speed

 

[Combat-Master]

There already leak it information that russian supersonic goes to supersonic for ~5 sec and that is all from lunch to target.
Even more there are many cases that almost all of missiles even do NOT able to reach supersonic speed

Wasn't there an argument that the supersonic missiles have to slow down considerably so that the R/F seeker can target ships successfully

 

[Yasar_TR]

There already leak it information that russian supersonic goes to supersonic for ~5 sec and that is all from lunch to target.
Even more there are many cases that almost all of missiles even do NOT able to reach supersonic speed

I know Russian gear is proving to be not as good as advertised. But the Ramjet and Scramjet technology they apply to their missiles is a reality. And good. They helped India develop Brahmos 1 and 2.

Producing a prototype of a missile and then serial production of that missile in bulk are two different things. When you have vultures like Putin and his oligarchs waiting to take advantage of the cream off the serial production of any defence system, they are either produced sub-standard or not produced at all if they think they don‘t see an advantage off of it.

 

[Ecderha]

I know Russian gear is proving to be not as good as advertised. But the Ramjet and Scramjet technology they apply to their missiles is a reality. And good. They helped India develop Brahmos 1 and 2.

Producing a prototype of a missile and then serial production of that missile in bulk are two different things. When you have vultures like Putin and his oligarchs waiting to take advantage of the cream off the serial production of any defence system, they are either produced sub-standard or not produced at all if they think they don‘t see an advantage off of it.

I am not saying that Brahmos 1 and 2 or other missile that they do NOT fly and able to hit a target.
I am saying that missile DO NOT have speed limit in order to say it is supersonic.

I will give you example.
russian say we have supersonic missile.
This missile is launched goes let say 30 or let say 200 km. People on internet leaked information that missile actually do NOT able to reach supersonic speed in 70-80% of all already launched missile to present days.

Other this is that 20-30% of missiles already launched reach supersonic for few sec only and that is all for all the time of missile flight!

So launch the missile do not reach supersonic if some of the missile reach supersonic they fly max ~5 sec.
What is this as % for missile flying for 200 or 300km? It is just nothing

 

[Ecderha]

Wasn't there an argument that the supersonic missiles have to slow down considerably so that the R/F seeker can target ships successfully

russian do not have or do not reached that level. I mean their supersonic missiles do not have Throttle control (can not decrease the speed)

 

[Heartbang]

I do not think it will be effective against heavily armed ships.
I think it is made to engage targets without entering their airspace.

you could spam mk82's to make a ship consume all its SAM stock. then use specialized platforms to finish the job. the US has tested this tactic before.

 

[Baryshx]

R/F arayıcısının gemileri başarılı bir şekilde hedefleyebilmesi için süpersonik füzelerin önemli ölçüde yavaşlaması gerektiğine dair bir argüman yok muydu?

I read something like you said somewhere. It looks like it drops to 0.8-0.9 mach when approaching the ship.

 

[fire starter]

russian do not have or do not reached that level. I mean their supersonic missiles do not have Throttle control (can not decrease the speed)

Seekers can easily work in supersonic speed.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I read something like you said somewhere. It looks like it drops to 0.8-0.9 mach when approaching the ship.

Yet Kalibr missile works in exactly the opposite manner.
Some versions of Russian Kalibr cruise missiles travel at subsonic speeds most of the way. But have a second propulsion stage that initiates a supersonic sprint in the terminal approach to the target, reducing the time that target's defense systems have to react.

 

[Combat-Master]

russian do not have or do not reached that level. I mean their supersonic missiles do not have Throttle control (can not decrease the speed)

Brahmos has throttle control, because of it's design has very small seeker - so it has to reduce it's speed to detect ship and target it, another thing is that it would also have to reduce speed to steer into the target also as high speed manoeuvring is limited due to reduced control area and time of engagement.

Better to stick with high-subsonic anti-ship missiles and just reduce RCS/SIZE and or increase numbers.

 

[Altay2071]

Does anyone know where do we stand with coastal atmaca? This should be much easier and faster to achieve now that we have naval atmaca. Note that I don’t mean the land version, this will take some time. We need to cover our coasts with mobile batteries asap. This way we can control all our seas.

 

[Altay2071]

Anyone has an idea how we can react against iron dome in south Cyprus? Can Kargi help? Or Akbaba missile? How about TRL-230 with laser guided munition?

 

[Manomed]

Anyone has an idea how we can react against iron dome in south Cyprus? Can Kargi help? Or Akbaba missile? How about TRL-230 with laser guided munition?

kargı-somj-trg all of them can destroy that system easily

 

[Radonsider]

Anyone has an idea how we can react against iron dome in south Cyprus? Can Kargi help? Or Akbaba missile? How about TRL-230 with laser guided munition?

Easy, saturation. 64 TRLG-122 and you are good to go.

And Ministry of external affairs said Israel is not planning to sell Iron Dome

 

[Merzifonlu]

Anyone has an idea how we can react against iron dome in south Cyprus? Can Kargi help? Or Akbaba missile? How about TRL-230 with laser guided munition?

No. Just use a lot of 122 mm Sakarya dumy rocket.

 

[Osman]

Are we producing dummy rockets without warhead and gps guidance? Cheap dummies having just ins...

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572602055742877700

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572995927459368963

According to Mr. Anıl , Loitering munitions, new missiles, turrets and electro-optics, which are stated to be shown for the first time at the Saha Expo, will be presented