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Sanctioned for what?It seems for political gain,we are risking to be sanctioned!!
We are not a party state, our programs can not be disclosed for political gains!!
This is not against MTCR.
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Sanctioned for what?It seems for political gain,we are risking to be sanctioned!!
We are not a party state, our programs can not be disclosed for political gains!!
This sentence means something like this: Don't deceive yourself by only looking at the tip of the iceberg.President Erdoğan: "We are now working to take them (The technology of Tayfun-like missiles) much higher level."
What the hell you are thinking is a war?It seems for political gain,we are risking to be sanctioned!!
We are not a party state, our programs can not be disclosed for political gains!!
Those who complained that the state did not respond when Greece made a military build-up on the islands now complain that we threaten Greece. What a comedy though.It seems for political gain,we are risking to be sanctioned!!
We are not a party state, our programs can not be disclosed for political gains!!
Do you seriously believe Armenia started the 2020 war?Remember Azerbaijan was only able to solve her problems when the armenians started a war. If you don't allow the greeks to make that mistake, nothing will be resolved. You showed this missile, its not going to stop them arming those islands, its not going to stop them arming other islands. So yeah you showed a missile but in terms of facts on the ground its not gained Turkiye. You wanted the idiot political establishment in greece to believe their own bullshit like the armenians, you don't want to stop them making a fatal mistake.
So i think it was a strategic mistake to reveal this missile.
Do you seriously believe Armenia started the 2020 war?
Remember Azerbaijan was only able to solve her problems when the armenians started a war. If you don't allow the greeks to make that mistake, nothing will be resolved. You showed this missile, its not going to stop them arming those islands, its not going to stop them arming other islands. So yeah you showed a missile but in terms of facts on the ground its not gained Turkiye. You wanted the idiot political establishment in greece to believe their own bullshit like the armenians, you don't want to stop them making a fatal mistake.
So i think it was a strategic mistake to reveal this missile.
I also think it was a mistake. On the other hand we need to test our missiles, hence probably we couldnt keep it secret anyway. I had asked this already before in this forum, no one tried to answer. I think this is a crucial question. Strangely enough the administrators deleted my post.Remember Azerbaijan was only able to solve her problems when the armenians started a war. If you don't allow the greeks to make that mistake, nothing will be resolved. You showed this missile, its not going to stop them arming those islands, its not going to stop them arming other islands. So yeah you showed a missile but in terms of facts on the ground its not gained Turkiye. You wanted the idiot political establishment in greece to believe their own bullshit like the armenians, you don't want to stop them making a fatal mistake.
So i think it was a strategic mistake to reveal this missile.
Currently both our air force and navy are more powerful than greece. Land forces anyhow. Also more tham 500 Boras should also provide adequate deterrence. So we had at least five years of time to reveal Tayfun to deter greece when they get some marginal air superiority. In that sense not sure about this revelation. Of course we dont want a war it will be costly and you dont need deep state knowledge for this. And not revealing does not mean we want war. Finally, I dont believe there is a deep state making perfect decisions. Looking at the last 15 years evidences this, except some improvement in defence industry that period was lost.The main issue here is what state mind or military planners of our state wants. If you cannot find the right answer to this question, all your analyzes will be meaningless.
Do you think Turkiye would like to take the risk of a war economy imposed lots of sanctions at a time when it started to deliver billion-dollar new products to new markets with its efforts to take advantage of the gap created by current crises at a time when Turkiye made some economic reforms and revived production to reach 300 billion $ annual export? Or do you want to focus your only concentration on the war with Greece while creating new perfect alternatives to EU market under leadership of Turkiye, together with the partnerships established with new emerging union, Central Asian Turkic Republics in order to benefit from this crisis in a time when the EU will have a difficult times in terms of energy? At a time when the most critical and most serious strategic investments are made in the name of production, when talking about establishment of our own chip factories, PV cells, giant battery factories, turbine factories, automobile initiatives... and exploring big gas reserves in Blacksea or when the most strategic defense projects that will create Turkiye's main striking and defensive power are implemented one by one, does the Turkiye want to enter a war with Greece at the expense of stopping these perfect projects worth more than 70 billion $ ? No way.
What Turkey is doing now is to show its deterrence and determination. The other side, on the other hand, is provoking us and forcing us to make a first move in a time and place that they together with their bosses have determined, relying on the protection of the USA and France at the expense of destroying itself. They are taking this risk because this is the time when Turkiye is demonized, surrounded with terrorist organisations from the South thanks to US and relations with the USA are at their worst and fighting with France in African influence.
We, on the other hand, give the message Greeks that we will finish them at a time that we will determine the place and time, not now. We are finishing the terrorists in Iraq and Syrian problem will be partially solved with Assad, and the relations with hostile Arab states are perfectly normalized and Israel will be a trusted friend state again before totally concentrating and targetting the Greece to finish them. That's why some unknown products had to appear NOW in order to continue the deterrence and the Greeks had to be woken up from their wet dreams and that's what happened with Tufan. If they want more, Be sure that Turkiye will give more powerful medicine that will make perfect effect for their bodies.
Armenia and Greece's situations are totally different IMORemember Azerbaijan was only able to solve her problems when the armenians started a war. If you don't allow the greeks to make that mistake, nothing will be resolved. You showed this missile, its not going to stop them arming those islands, its not going to stop them arming other islands. So yeah you showed a missile but in terms of facts on the ground its not gained Turkiye. You wanted the idiot political establishment in greece to believe their own bullshit like the armenians, you don't want to stop them making a fatal mistake.
So i think it was a strategic mistake to reveal this missile.
Currently both our air force and navy are more powerful than greece. Land forces anyhow. Also more tham 500 Boras should also provide adequate deterrence. So we had at least five years of time to reveal Tayfun to deter greece when they get some marginal air superiority. In that sense not sure about this revelation. Of course we dont want a war it will be costly and you dont need deep state knowledge for this. And not revealing does not mean we want war. Finally, I dont believe there is a deep state making perfect decisions. Looking at the last 15 years evidences this, except some improvement in defence industry that period was lost.
The main issue here is what state mind or military planners of our state wants. If you cannot find the right answer to this question, all your analyzes will be meaningless.
Do you think Turkiye would like to take the risk of a war economy imposed lots of sanctions at a time when it started to deliver billion-dollar new products to new markets with its efforts to take advantage of the gap created by current crises at a time when Turkiye made some economic reforms and revived production to reach 300 billion $ annual export? Or do you want to focus your only concentration on the war with Greece while creating new perfect alternatives to EU market under leadership of Turkiye, together with the partnerships established with new emerging union, Central Asian Turkic Republics in order to benefit from this crisis in a time when the EU will have a difficult times in terms of energy? At a time when the most critical and most serious strategic investments are made in the name of production, when talking about establishment of our own chip factories, PV cells, giant battery factories, turbine factories, automobile initiatives... and exploring big gas reserves in Blacksea or when the most strategic defense projects that will create Turkiye's main striking and defensive power are implemented one by one, does the Turkiye want to enter a war with Greece at the expense of stopping these perfect projects worth more than 70 billion $ ? No way.
What Turkey is doing now is to show its deterrence and determination. The other side, on the other hand, is provoking us and forcing us to make a first move in a time and place that they together with their bosses have determined, relying on the protection of the USA and France at the expense of destroying itself. They are taking this risk because this is the time when Turkiye is demonized, surrounded with terrorist organisations from the South thanks to US and relations with the USA are at their worst and fighting with France in African influence.
We, on the other hand, give the message Greeks that we will finish them at a time that we will determine the place and time, not now. We are finishing the terrorists in Iraq and Syrian problem will be partially solved with Assad, and the relations with hostile Arab states are perfectly normalized and Israel will be a trusted friend state again before totally concentrating and targetting the Greece to finish them. That's why some unknown products had to appear NOW in order to continue the deterrence and the Greeks had to be woken up from their wet dreams and that's what happened with Tufan. If they want more, Be sure that Turkiye will give more powerful medicine that will make perfect effect for their bodies.
I wonder what happens when the Gezgin is revealed?There are weapons that will destroy humanity in the inventory of the so-called most humane and democratic Western countries of the world which are leading the so-called modernity in the world. Those who distribute freedom through democracy are countries that exploit the world for their own benefits and never pay any price and these men are the reason why hundreds of millions of people are killed with conventional and nuclear weapons.
If someone is looking for an excuse for the embargo, they will look in mirror first. Those who want to demonize Turkiye already find an excuse, even if there is no Tayfun or others, so there will be missiles with much much higher range of course, and whatever technology is owned by those who shake fingers or threaten us, those technologies must be developed in Turkiye and we will put them in their eyes when necessary. Someone will have to pay the price for threatening Turks with "Nuclear France" in future. At this time, the Tayfun had to be known and It has been revealed and now they are thinking about this missile even in bed at night with fear. There will be sleepless nights too.
This is what i think, politically we have been a shambles. Syria is a good example of this.
We dived head first into the Syrian quagmire, we screamed for years that we can come suddenly one night only for the americans and russians to move into northern syria and build up their bases and proxies against us. Now we have to beg for years to see if we can get some minor agreement to clear out some minimal area. Meanwhile the PKK problem persists and grows.
We are doing the exact same thing concerning the islands. Tomorrow those islands will become American bases and no amount of Turkish technology is going to close the gap on US power. Its a big big mistake to sit back and allow that to happen, a massive one.
Now the argument that we should give ourselves another decade or two before we move isnt without merit, but that doesnt mean we give our enemies free hand.
As for the greeks giving messages is not enough, it never has been with them. They must be crushed on the battlefield. The more we talk the more hostile they become.
I assure you, for the next 15 years, each new year will overshadow the previous one.I have an impression from some twitter accounts that 2023 will reveal much more projects.