TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Hexciter]

TRG-230

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592484378076401670

 

[Tornadoss]

TRG-230
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592484378076401670

Why are those tubes are blue? Or are they just cover.

 

[Hexciter]

Siper Block II Missile Spotted for the First Time

The SİPER Long Range Regional Air and Missile Defense System (UMBHSFS) Project, which was initiated by the Presidency of Defense Industries in 2018, continues. More than one missile is being developed in the project carried out by the ASELSAN-ROKETSAN-TÜBİTAK SAGE business partnership.
The test images of the SİPER BLOCK I Missile, developed by Roketsan and known to have a range of 100 kilometers, were shared before. The SİPER BLOCK I Missile is planned to enter service in 2023. The scale model of the SİPER BLOCK II Missile, developed by TÜBİTAK-SAGE and expected to have a range of 150 kilometers, was displayed for the first time.
The SİPER BLOCK II Missile, which will have an active radar seeker, will be the longest-range air defense missile developed by Turkey. However, it is also known that missiles with longer ranges and high altitudes have been developed within the scope of the SİPER Project. One of the biggest goals of the program is the development of a missile with anti-ballistic missile capability.

SİPER UMBHSFS Battery Structure
Each SİPER Air Defense System Battery; four SİPER Missile Launch System (FFS), at least two Missile Transport Loading System (FTYS), one UMAR/TEIRS Search Radar (AR), one Fire Control Center (AKM), It will have one Fire Control Radar (AKR), one Fleet Control Center (FKM) and three Communication Station Vehicles (HIA).

SİPER Air Defense System General Features
Air defense planning and coordination
Management and distribution of information under command and control
Combined aerial image production
Multiple engagement and sequential firing
Manual/semi-automatic/automatic engagement
Friend Foe Recognition (IFF)
Threat assessment and weapon allocation
Auto diagnostic management
Multi-target multi-radar fusion
Bidirectional communication with missiles
Wired/wireless communication
vertical/oblique shot
Ability to work in harsh conditions
Interface with HvBS, Radnet connection
Link to upper command via tactical data links (Link-16, JREAP-C)
Embedded simulation
Ability to operate with 8 FFS, each of which can fire 6 missiles

SİPER BLOK II Füzesi İlk Kez Görüntülendi | SavunmaSanayiST

SİPER Uzun Menzilli Hava Savunma Füze Sistemi için geliştirilen SİPER BLOK II Füzesi, ilk kez görüntülendi. Füze, TÜBİTAK-SAGE tarafından geliştiriliyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Combat-Master]

Why are those tubes are blue? Or are they just cover.

Blue on canisters usually indicate inert/non-explosive. Likely these are training missiles provided to train operators.

 

[Tornadoss]

Blue on canisters usually indicate inert/non-explosive. Likely these are training missiles provided to train operators.

Yes this makes sense. thanks

 

[Afif]

AFAIK, bozdogan is the most heaviest WVR operational around the world.
with 140kg weight it is more heavier than israeli derby ER BVR.

so, no surprise that it got some extra ranges.

 

[Huelague]

The missile in the vid is not Siper II. We have seen this video before.

 

[Afif]

The missile in the vid is not Siper II. We have seen this video before.

actually the missile in the photo seems to me like G40. but i am probably mistaken.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

@Bogeyman

Regarding the stockpile of Turkish missiles, I refuse to believe that we don't have Pakistani missiles and rockets in our arsenal. It simply doesn't make any sense if you consider the deep-rooted, secretive and strategic nature of the relationship between the two states.

My guess is that we have a very high amount of unrevealed Pakistani origin missiles in our inventory.

 

[Hexciter]

Blue on canisters usually indicate inert/non-explosive. Likely these are training missiles provided to train operators.

Indeed

 

[Afif]

TRG-230
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592484378076401670

Happy to see it in BD inventory.

But They didn't disclose any information. Cost, launcher or rockets number, nothing.

Honestly, I don't like that secretive nature.
I mean, it's not like some super secretive weapon!
At least, They can reveal how many rockets they brought.

 

[TheInsider]

There is a source for atmaca's cost:

Turkey’s own Atmaca missile to replace Harpoons on its Navy ships

An official from state-controlled missile-maker Roketsan, a co-producer of Atmaca, says the weapon will replace more than 350 Harpoons in the next two to three years.

www.defensenews.com

"An official from state-controlled missile-maker Roketsan, a co-producer of Atmaca (which translates to “Hawk” in English), said that the weapon will replace more than 350 Harpoons in the next two to three years, starting with ships under maintenance and upgrade programs."

"The Roketsan official said Turkey aims to save up to $500 million from the Atmaca replacement program, as the homemade missile comes in at around half the price of a Harpoon."

So can we say atmaca block 1 is a 500 600k dollars missile?

And this one is for storm breaker and others:

Here Is What Each Of The Pentagon's Air-Launched Missiles And Bombs Actually Cost

Arming America's combat aircraft, drones, and helicopters is an extremely expensive business.

www.thedrive.com

It would be really nice if we could produce kuzgun for 200 k dollars and çakır for 300k.

LOL you made a noob mistake. This Stormbreaker is not Israel's Bluespear or equivalent of our Kuzgun. It is similar to Aselsan SDB. It is not a missile.

GBU-53/B StormBreaker - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Atmaca is 500k. It is known for a long time and I also mentioned the cost of the Atmaca several times and no 350 harpoons won't be replaced instantly. They will be replaced in phases as their shelf life ends. Most of the Atmacas are planned and will be produced for new platforms.

 

[TheInsider]

Airforce requirement for Gökdoğan BVRAAM 65km
Range of the Gökdoğan Block-I BVRAAM 70+km
Estimated range of the Gökdoğan Block-II BVRAAM 100+km

Airforce requirement for Bozdoğan WVRAAM 20km
Range of the Bozdoğan Block-I WVRAAM 25+km
Estimated range of the Bozdoğan Block-II WVRAAM ~35km

Maybe I should quote my old messages from now on.

Most of the range gains are achieved with data-link+advanced engagement and autopilot algorithms, especially for the Bozdoğan.

 

[Baryshx]

AFAIK, bozdogan is the most heaviest WVR operational around the world.
with 140kg weight it is more heavier than israeli derby ER BVR.

so, no surprise that it got some extra ranges.

Yes, but if both are at mach 4, this excess weight turns into a disadvantage for Bozdoğan.

 

[TheInsider]

AFAIK, bozdogan is the most heaviest WVR operational around the world.
with 140kg weight it is more heavier than israeli derby ER BVR.

so, no surprise that it got some extra ranges.

I-Derby has an RF seeker and dual pulse rocket engine. If Tubitak adds those Bozdoğan can achieve 100km. IMHO logical approach is to make a dual-pulse version of both Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan and switch to a hybrid seeker. Gökdoğan can use extra resistance against jamming with added IIR and Bozdoğan can make use of the RF seeker to keep track of the target when IIR is not the best choice.

 

[Afif]

I-Derby has an RF seeker and dual pulse rocket engine. If Tubitak adds those Bozdoğan can achieve 100km. IMHO logical approach is to make a dual-pulse version of both Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan and switch to a hybrid seeker. Gökdoğan can use extra resistance against jamming with added IIR and Bozdoğan can make use of the RF seeker to keep track of the target when IIR is not the best choice.

If you add dual pulse on current weight it would become more heavier. thus, unlikely to acheive 100km effective range with current acceleration power.

 

[fire starter]

@Bogeyman

Regarding the stockpile of Turkish missiles, I refuse to believe that we don't have Pakistani missiles and rockets in our arsenal. It simply doesn't make any sense if you consider the deep-rooted, secretive and strategic nature of the relationship between the two states.

My guess is that we have a very high amount of unrevealed Pakistani origin missiles in our inventory.

Then it's better you directly purchase the missiles from China since all existing pakistani missiles are repainted Chinese missiles.

 

[Heartbang]

I-Derby has an RF seeker and dual pulse rocket engine. If Tubitak adds those Bozdoğan can achieve 100km. IMHO logical approach is to make a dual-pulse version of both Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan and switch to a hybrid seeker. Gökdoğan can use extra resistance against jamming with added IIR and Bozdoğan can make use of the RF seeker to keep track of the target when IIR is not the best choice.

in long term, bozdogan and gokdogan needs to merge into one. the prevalence of stealth in state-of-the-art airframes and the restrictions of internal weapon bays' of these aircraft necessitates a compact, highly maneuverable, long-range missile to be used as both fox-2s and fox-3s interchangeably.

 

[Afif]

Then it's better you directly purchase the missiles from China since all existing pakistani missiles are repainted Chinese missiles.

Iirc this forum is not a place for nationalist propaganda!

 

[Osman]

LOL you made a noob mistake. This Stormbreaker is not Israel's Bluespear or equivalent of our Kuzgun. It is similar to Aselsan SDB. It is not a missile.

GBU-53/B StormBreaker - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes stormbreaker is like minbo IIR. I had a 200 k dollars figure in my memory about kuzgun tj like missile, and confused the munitions and currencies.

But I found it.

Assuming each SPEAR costs around £200k, that’s £1.6M for a salvo of eight.

https://mbdainc.com/uk-orders-production-of-mbdas-spear-mini-cruise-missile/

Most of the abilities are similar. Except range. Brits gave 140 km as range. Kuzgun's range is longer.