TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Baryshx]

A good example of the propaganda conducted against the Turks is when Azeribaijan used TB2 it was a weapon of death, with many western nations placing embargoes directly against baykar from canada to england. When the Ukrianians used it, it was a weapon of liberation.

Turkish hostility? It's a situation we're used to, so we have to be even stronger and crush the enemy

 

[Bmx98]

he's right though, the intention was basically another psychological assault on Turkiye. You have to wonder the size of the conspiracy being conducted against Turkiye from the lowest youtuber right up into every international office at the UN.

You got wonder what kind of money is being passed around to get nothing but hit pieces against Turkiye.

A good example is this guys youtube video.

Its clear he knows nothing about Turkiye by how he pronouces everything wrong, its clear this piece was presented to him for to cover. To push the same tired narratives about Turkiye being unreliable etc etc. The exact same propaganda sloguns that are used to slander Turkiye are all presented in it.

Its also important that he has a Turkish soldier pulling the greywolf hand gestures, since its known trick that greeks and armenians use to claim Turks are fascists because they respect their history.

The russians can have the bear, the english the lion and the americans the eagle, but if the Turks have the wolf its facism and racism.

If i had to guess he was paid by someone to do this and whoever paid him wrote the script for it.

This guy is a mouthpiece of the US military. He served in Iraq and made a video in which he admitted that the US war on Iraq was about stealing natural resources and he tried to convince the viewers that there was nothing wrong with that. He gets monetary donations from MoD and defence companies to give good and bad reviews for certain themes and weapons in the MoD. I used to watch his videos in the beginning because he was very open about the true nature of the US military and their defense industry until I realised the military is actually behind him and the reason he says things as they are is not because he is trying to criticize them but just trying to normalize all the evil things they do as "normal stuff" and "the Russians and the Chinese do it too".

 

[GoatsMilk]

This guy is a mouthpiece of the US military. He served in Iraq and made a video in which he admitted that the US war on Iraq was about stealing natural resources and he tried to convince the viewers that there was nothing wrong with that. He gets monetary donations from MoD and defence companies to give good and bad reviews for certain themes and weapons in the MoD. I used to watch his videos in the beginning because he was very open about the true nature of the US military and their defense industry until I realised the military is actually behind him and the reason he says things as they are is not because he is trying to criticize them but just trying to normalize all the evil things they do as "normal stuff" and "the Russians and the Chinese do it too".

My personal feeling is that most full time youtubers who cover geopolitical issues are really just paid shills. I can't find one who gives a fair analysis of the region, all of them aid the specific greater middle east agenda in play.

 

[Agha Sher]

get some nuclear warheads and the days of unilateral threatening the Turks will end.

It is a must for Turkey to enter TOP 5 globally in nuclear weapons, nuclear technology and space. Only these areas are somewhat neglected and not invested enough in.

With all other areas in defence, Turkey is already in top 5 or about to enter top 5.

 

[Ecderha]

Is this our sub?

yes it is our/Turkiye sub

 

[Heartbang]

It is a must for Turkiye to enter TOP 5 globally in nuclear weapons, nuclear technology and space. Only these areas are somewhat neglected and not invested enough in.

With all other areas in defence, Turkiye is already in top 5 or about to enter top 5.

We must make our own W88 and shove that s*it into anything and everything we make.

Nuclear depth charges, SAM missiles, deep-penetrating bunker busters, salted WMDs... WE NEED EM ALL!

 

[GoatsMilk]

It is a must for Turkiye to enter TOP 5 globally in nuclear weapons, nuclear technology and space. Only these areas are somewhat neglected and not invested enough in.

With all other areas in defence, Turkiye is already in top 5 or about to enter top 5.

not so long ago the russians were threatening to use tactical nukes against Turkey and the mad russian jester who not so long ago died said they should nuke Istanbul. It would have been good to respond to the Russian thugs that if they ever do that they can all say good bye to Russia.

 

[Heartbang]

not so long ago the russians were threatening to use tactical nukes against Turkiye and the mad russian jester who not so long ago died said they should nuke Istanbul. It would have been good to respond to the Russian thugs that if they ever do that they can all say good bye to Russia.

The only country Russia can efficiently nuke is Russia. There are reports on the condition of their ICBM's and let's just say that they are just as disheveled as the rest of their army.

 

[TheInsider]

A new booster engine, a smart capsule(kinda like an empty torpedo that can go to designated coordinates) is in design for Sub-Atmaca. I expect a range increase for Sub-Atmaca like the Atmaca-Land.

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[TheInsider]

1000km Tayfun missile Pres Erdoğan mentioned in his recent interview.

Let's calculate it then using the rocket equation and see who's right.

Δv=ve*ln(m0/mt)

ve=Isp*g0

Δv= Isp*g0*ln(m0/mt)

Δv= Difference in velocity.
ve= Effective exhaust velocity
Isp=Specific Impulse in seconds
g0=gravity
m0= Initial mass (launch weight)
mt= Final Mass (weight without fuel)

Propellant Mass Fraction= 1- (m0/mt)

The specific impulse of a modern composite solid fuel is around 260s ( TABLE 1 https://www.jhuapl.edu/Content/techdigest/pdf/V04-N03/04-03-Billig.pdf )
The initial mass of next-generation Bora is 2500kg
The final mass of next-generation Bora is 800kg
The propellant mass fraction is 0.68 which is on the "low" side. That can be improved even more. (It means %68 of the rocket's total weight is fuel)


https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/delta-v when we calculate it from here we found a delta-v of ~2.9 km/s (10440 km/h)

This is enough delta-v to reach 900+km.

BTW PrsM currently uses the existing 227kg WDU-18/B unitary high-explosive warhead. A New 200-pound warhead is in development for the 1000+km multi-mode seeker version. There are also plans to make it compatible with the existing or newly developed cluster munition warheads.

Real-life telemetry data of a 1000km ballistic missile.

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1) %15 structural weight is completely normal for the missiles. There are missiles with a 0.90 mass propellant fraction. Besides why only use the existing 470kg warhead? We can at least cut that in half with an improved warhead design(we are producing all kinds of explosives now thermobaric, HMX, RDX, etc.) as I said earlier we are designing a next-generation platform. 0.68 mass propellant fraction is already an extra safe number.
4) Bora, Iskander, and Lora don't go higher than those but a 1000km ballistic missile(you are suggesting this) reaches altitudes between 200 to 300km. This is a light SRBM and not a tactical missile that flies with a depressed trajectory. Rocket equation is a good approximation tool atmospheric drag and air resistance are not that important unless you are going for a pinpoint calculation, the main loss is against gravity (ICBMs lose around 1 km/s to gravity) and I'm proving that such ranges are possible with a launch weight of 2500kg.
5)Rocket equating can be used to calculate both. It is possible and we are already witnessing it happening. Lora is a 2000s technology BTW it is only one generation ahead of Bora. We are in 2022. The main problem with ballistic missiles is due to their nature their precision was bad and to compensate that people stuffed them with heavy warheads. The missile gets heavier exponentially when you want to carry a heavier payload. Bora can easily double its range with the same warhead by applying up-to-date technologies and production methods. It can possibly reach 1000km and above with cutting some corners like designing a new lighter warhead.

 

[TheInsider]

Lora can carry a 400kg warhead to a distance of 430km. Bora can carry a 470kg warhead to 360km. They have similar diameters Lora is substantially lighter. A 2500kg Lora can carry the same 400kg warhead to 1000km because nearly all of that extra weight will be fuel. Not only does this mean more fuel to burn but it also means the percentage of fuel in the rocket's total launch weight will be a lot higher. More fuel more delta V simple as that. You can google rocket equation and work your way from there.

 

[UkroTurk]

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AFAIK the engine of ballistic missiles runs in the water, yo don't need any canister and additional ignition systems.

Our subs somehow should have ballistic missiles.

 

[TheInsider]

Serial production decision for TAYFUN, ATMACA, TRLG-230, KARAOK, GÖKDOĞAN, BOZDOĞAN, AKYA, SİPER, HİSAR and SUNGUR

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605206564889153542

 

[Huelague]

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From VLS and torpedo tubes. That’s huge.
Pakistan must help to develop nukes which can be launched from subs.

 

[Afif]

From VLS and torpedo tubes. That’s huge.
Pakistan must help to develop nukes which can be launched from subs.

pakistan already has them!

 

[Huelague]

pakistan already has them!

That’s why I said it. A deadly WMD which is hard to be detect and more harder to counter or block.

 

[Afif]

That’s why I said it.

oh sorry, i misunderstood.
you mean Pakistan must help turkey to develop those!
i think, technical aspect is not a big issue, even Turkey can develop them without Pakistani help, it may take longer but it is very possible to get there.
It is the geopolitical pressure which need be to dealt with.

 

[Zafer]

Is it true that a nuclear warhead's core must be put under high pressure by exploding explosives outside of it or are there other ways to trigger them, @anyone.

 

[Heartbang]

Is it true that a nuclear warhead's core must be put under high pressure by exploding explosives outside of it or are there other ways to trigger them, @anyone.

Any plutonium nuke(aka. modern ones) must use what you described as a detonation mechanism. If you're using uranium you could use other designs but the ensuing prodict would be the size of a small car.

 

[YeşilVatan]

We should integrate Turkish guided munitions to Eastern type systems (i.e. Bozdoğans for MiGs) and make some dough. That's a money maker right there.