TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Joe mark]

It's not super technology?! Why you can't make it your self if is soo easy like you are saying

isn’t super complex in any way.

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[dBSPL]

So it's a kamikaze drone from Baykar which will be first be used on TB-2, Akinci.

BAYKAR'dan Bir İlk: KAGEM Kamikaze İHA | SavunmaSanayiST

BAYKAR, KAGEM Kamikaze İnsansız Hava Aracı (İHA)'nı geliştiriyor. KAGEM ile birlikte BAYKAR, ilk kez bir harp başlıklı ürün geliştirmiş olacak.

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KAGEM will most likely be a loitering UAV with highly developed autonomous capabilities. It is necessary to think not only with warheads, but also with very different payloads. It is also likely to be launch and controllable by reconnaissance/attack helicopters. With its size, geometry and the limited specs known/estimated for now, it is very reminiscent of the low cost autonomous attack system/surveililling miniature attack cruise missile projects carried out in the US in the past.

 

[Philip the Arab]

@Joe mark
You’re really weird just letting you know that right now. I’m gonna try to offer an explanation.

-Components used in military systems are usually COTS and can be purchased from China/India and assembled together.

Nobody claimed they produced the components in house and that’s impossible. Russia is using Western chips for almost everything they make.

- Teams of engineers with decades of experience can develop programs in relatively fast time especially when they have done it before(DENEL DYNAMICS). Your claim of the programs being from Europe/ South Africa are 100% false.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1627752228596420657

- When someone’s new at something it’s obvious they will rely on someone with more experience to help them. If a kid asks their parents to help them tie their shoes because they don’t know how does that make tying your shoes complex?

 

[dBSPL]

I have written many times in various platforms over the years that our reconnaissance/attack helicopters should have a cost-effective mini-loitering system that will reach an endurance of >100 nmi with over 30-50 lbf turbojet propulsion similar to that of the LOCAAS project designed under the SBS program, (and this type was largely related to the RAH-66 project).

In the US, of course, there have been much more important and mass-producible SBS system developments after this project. At the same time, the increasing capabilities of tactical UAVs in particular have led to significant changes in operational doctrines. Nevertheless, with the idea that it could be a precedent development program, the outlines of the system were as follows:

• Weight: 100 lb (45 kg)
• Length: 36 in (910 mm)
• Speed: 200 knots (370 km/h)
• Search altitude: 750 ft (230 m)
• Footprint: 25 sq nmi (86 km2)
• Motor: 30 lbf (130 N) thrust class turbojet.
• Range: >100 nmi (190 km)
• Loiter time: 30 min max.
• Guidance: GPS/INS with LADAR terminal seeker
• Warhead: 7.7 kg (17 lb) multi-mode explosively formed projectile (long rod penetrator, aerostable slug or fragmentation)

After being launched from a weapon platform, it is guided by GPS/INS to the target general area, where it can loiter. A laser radar (LIDAR or LADAR) illuminates the targets, determines their range, and matches their 3-D geometry with pre-loaded signatures. The LOCAAS system then selects the highest priority target and selects the warhead's mode for the best effect.

It was part of the Small Bomb System (SBS) program. The LOCAAS has been cancelled.

Low Cost Autonomous Attack System - Wikipedia

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[Oublious]

@Joe mark
You’re really weird just letting you know that right now. I’m gonna try to offer an explanation.

-Components used in military systems are usually COTS and can be purchased from China/India and assembled together.

lol

Why do you invest all the money if you are going to do with this mind?



Chinese will stop at certain point, ther is 1 company in the world that can produce piezo element defence quallity even Chine can not make it. After Turkey attemp ther are 2 country in the world delivering piezo element for sonar systems.

So who will deliver the material when you need it?

 

[Philip the Arab]

lol

Why do you invest all the money if you are going to do with this mind?



Chinese will stop at certain point, ther is 1 company in the world that can produce piezo element defence quallity even Chine can not make it. After Turkey attemp ther are 2 country in the world delivering piezo element for sonar systems.

So who will deliver the material when you need it?

Do you understand that that is a highly specialized system? I’m speaking of COTS electronics and mechanical components which are able to be used in most UAVs/missiles.

Taiwan and the US could cut off most of the worlds electronic chip supply and it would take a long, long time for countries to become independent.

 

[Siper>MMU]

UAE is building a defence industry from scratch with their money by hiring foreign engineers and buying ready products. We shouldn't participate in this bullshit at all costs.

 

[Afif]

ther is 1 company in the world that can produce piezo element defence quallity even Chine can not make it. After Turkey attemp ther are 2 country in the world delivering piezo element for sonar systems.

Only 2 countries can produce defence quality piezo element for sonar system??
That is an extra ordinary claim. Can you provide some sources?

 

[Oublious]

Only 2 countries can produce defence quality piezo element for sonar system??
That is an extra ordinary claim. Can you provide some sources?

it was a special mixed elements with piezo and something have to search for it. But we have spend a lot of time on it.

 

[Nutuk]

Why they're not getting ToT from west although they are waiting money for them

They do, like those corvettes that UAE sold to Angola. Do you think those corvettes are UAE design? They got the knowhow and design with the Bayunah class, modified it a bit and are selling to Angola

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I’m gonna be very blunt right now, most of the work being done in the UAE industry is by South Africans. Brazilians are now coming in fairly large numbers.

They saw the opportunity and took it and it was a smart decision. If they tried to start from scratch they’d be moving at snails pace.

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You gotta start somewhere.

 

[TheInsider]

Only 2 countries can produce defence quality piezo element for sonar system??
That is an extra ordinary claim. Can you provide some sources?

KİM Teknoloji, “Türkiye’nin Özel Sensörler Mükemmeliyet Merkezi” Olma Yolunda Emin Adımlarla İlerliyor | savunmahaber.com

Faaliyet alanları arasında ileri malzemeler de yer alan KİM Teknoloji, bu malzemelerin kullanıldığı; yön, akış, mesafe, ivme ve basınç sensörleri gibi ultrasonik sensörler ile sıcaklık…

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[Afif]

KİM Teknoloji, “Türkiye’nin Özel Sensörler Mükemmeliyet Merkezi” Olma Yolunda Emin Adımlarla İlerliyor | savunmahaber.com

Faaliyet alanları arasında ileri malzemeler de yer alan KİM Teknoloji, bu malzemelerin kullanıldığı; yön, akış, mesafe, ivme ve basınç sensörleri gibi ultrasonik sensörler ile sıcaklık…

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Thanks for the good read, but it doesn't say that, only one company in the world besides KİM Technology can produce these military grade piezoelectric ceramics as @Oublious said previously.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628805834992979968

Seems the company has developed a method of extending barrel life and turned it over to shipyard general management.

I don’t quiet get it, but 40 mm isn’t something we have on vessels is it ?

Urban savunma ilk ihracatını 30 mm namluyla gerçekleştirdi - Defense Here

Savunma sanayinde 40 yılı aşkın tecrübesi olan; Hızal Elektroerozyon, Anadolu Yönlendirilmiş Enerji Teknolojileri ve Best Grup Savunma Sanayi’nin bir araya gelmesi ile 2020 yılında kurulan Urban Savunma ilk namlu ihracatını yaptı. Namlu dayanıklılığı konusunda 40 yılı aşkın tecrübesiyle önemli...

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[dBSPL]

UAE is one of the countries we support, especially in the field of mini smart munitions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628827789532049408

 

[CAN_TR]

„Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.“

Give him the fish, don‘t teach him ffs.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

UAE is one of the countries we support, especially in the field of mini smart munitions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628827789532049408

I truly don't know why our fools give tech away as if it's candy while we get shit.

 

[Philip the Arab]

UAE is one of the countries we support, especially in the field of mini smart munitions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628827789532049408

That’s not right, it was originally developed by Denel under contract and this is from South African sources. IP was sold in whole to EDGE down the line. This is from years ago I’d say 2017-2016.

“P2 was developed with Denel Dynamics in South Africa to the level of a demonstrator, after which HALCON made 11 changes to the version produced in the UAE, which translated to Desert Sting-16, says Al Mansoori.”

Staying on target

HALCON, an end-to-end manufacturer of precision-guided munitions, aims to offer a full complement of guided weapons, by focusing on key international partnerships and nurturing home-grown IP

www.flightglobal.com

Who’s that guy?

 

[dBSPL]

I truly don't know why our fools give tech away as if it's candy while we get shit.

It is not a cooperation that covers all sub-components of a whole system. Just supports the UAE's indigenization efforts in some spesific areas. Inter-institutional workshops and protocols signed in the last two years are to provide bureaucratic convenience in these areas. We are not the only country already providing support. As Philip wrote above, many other countries has a much more significant cooperation. If you are asking for my personal opinion, I am in favor of organizing joint workshops with the UAE to explore what we can do together. A culture of working together is one of the most useful tools to align national interests.

 

[Philip the Arab]

@dBSPL
In the civilian sector especially, imagine a joint satellite launch vehicle development that could compete with SpaceX, and other major manufacturers.

Turkey alone doesn’t have the capital to invest as heavily as it would need and UAE doesn’t have the expertise but imagine if the two went at it together.

You must look at it from the bigger picture. Middle East and the surrounding areas geopolitics are really complicated though unfortunately.