TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Yasar_TR]

One point that needs a bit of clarification is the area of hypersonic missiles;

Including our Bora and Tayfun, a large number of SRBMs have a trajectory that contains a good deal of hypersonic flight. Since these missiles are ballistic or quasi ballistic missiles, they have no powered flight during their downward flight and terminal stage. They speed up under gravity (possibly to hypersonic speeds) and then after around 15000metres, as they are in denser atmospheric layers, their speed start to level off in accordance with ”terminal velocity formula” whereby the heavier and the more aerodynamic they are the higher the speed at which they hit their target. As an example a trg300 may have a 1-1.5 Mach speed, A Bora may have ~2.5 Mach, But a really heavy ICBM would have a 7 Mach speed when it hits ground.

A hypersonic missile is a missile that can fly at hypersonic speeds (+5mach) and execute multiple manoeuvres during its flight.

So missiles like Khinzal and Iskander that are classified as hypersonic may not necessarily have hypersonic speeds at their terminal stages of flight. in which case are they really hypersonic missiles?

There are 2 versions of hypersonic missiles that completely fits above definition :

HGVs : Hypersonic Glide Vehicles - These are carried to space by ballistic missiles and are released to “glide” back to earth via re-entry phase. And glide at hypersonic speeds to their targets. Russians, Chinese and U.S. are developing these.

HCMs : Hypersonic Cruise Missiles - These are missiles that are powered by an air breathing Scramjet engine to reach hypersonic speeds in atmosphere. They have scramjet propulsion until they hit their targets. Russian Zircon and Indian Brahmos-2 are good examples of these. However the 8 Mach claimed speed of zircon has not been verified, and the Indians are still developing the Brahmos-2. US and China are also in the race for hypersonic cruise missile as well as some other countries that aspire to have this weapon.

Both HGV and HCM satisfy the definition of hypersonic missiles as they have hypersonic speed all the way and they can manoeuvre.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Two different image from Roketsan video

 

[UkroTurk]

One point that needs a bit of clarification is the area of hypersonic missiles;

Including our Bora and Tayfun, a large number of SRBMs have a trajectory that contains a good deal of hypersonic flight. Since these missiles have ballistic or quasi ballistic missiles, they have no powered flight during their downward flight and terminal stage. They speed up under gravity (possibly to hypersonic speeds) and then after around 15000metres, as they are in denser atmospheric layers, their speed start to level off in accordance with ”terminal velocity formula” whereby the heavier and the more aerodynamic they are the higher the speed at which they hit their target. As an example a trg300 may have a 1-1.5 Mach speed, A Bora may have ~2.5 Mach, But a really heavy ICBM would have a 7 Mach speed when it hits ground.

A hypersonic missile is a missile that can fly at hypersonic speeds (+5mach) and execute multiple manoeuvres during its flight.

So missiles like Khinzal and Iskander that are classified as hypersonic may not necessarily have hypersonic speeds at their terminal stages of flight. in which case are they really hypersonic missiles?

There are 2 versions of hypersonic missiles that completely fits above definition :

HGVs : Hypersonic Glide Vehicles - These are carried to space by ballistic missiles and are released to “glide” back to earth via re-entry phase. And glide at hypersonic speeds to their targets. Russians, Chinese and U.S. are developing these.

HCMs : Hypersonic Cruise Missiles - These are missiles that are powered by an air breathing Scramjet engine to reach hypersonic speeds in atmosphere. They have scramjet propulsion until they hit their targets. Russian Zircon and Indian Brahmos-2 are good examples of these. However the 8 Mach claimed speed of zircon has not been verified, and the Indians are still developing the Brahmos-2. US and China are also in the race for hypersonic cruise missile as well as some other countries that aspire to have this weapon.

Both HGV and HCM satisfy the definition of hypersonic missiles as they have hypersonic speed all the way and they can manoeuvre.

But some (solid fueled guided rockets) surface to air missiles such as ESSM are also hypersonic. You could hit your target with hypersonic speed , if you decrease range of Tayfun, isn't it?

How use Russians s300 SAMs for ground attacks.

What would be the speed of Tayfun in 200km range?

 

[Agha Sher]

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Two different image from Roketsan video

Do we know what it is?

 

[Oublious]

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Two different image from Roketsan video

CENK missile...

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

CENK missile...

GBU-43

 

[dBSPL]

CENK missile...

I don't think so. It's more like a demolition bomb that can create a crater with an impact radius of 1.5 kilometers. The fact that a significant amount of time is devoted to this in the Roketsan promotional video could be a message.

 

[Oublious]

But then with what are we going to drop that thing? Don't tell me A400...

 

[Agha Sher]

CENK missile...

Doesn't look like CENK

 

[dBSPL]

But then with what are we going to drop that thing? Don't tell me A400...

The fact that three different snapshots of this bomb were shared in Roketsan's promotional video brings three possibilities to mind. First, Roketsan also had a share in one of the GBU-43 variants. Secondly, this type of ammunition is already in the Air Force inventory. Thirdly, it was indigenized based on the geometry of this ordnance. Option D is all of the above. lol. I don't know which aircraft can drop a 10-ton bomb, I have no idea if our C-130s have the appropriate systems for this. But if we have a GBU-43 or similar, there must be something like a GBU-57 too, at somewhere. These two ordnance are two extreme examples that complement each other at the Massive Ordnance level in NATO inventories.

 

[Yasar_TR]

But some (solid fueled guided rockets) surface to air missiles such as ESSM are also hypersonic. You could hit your target with hypersonic speed , if you decrease range of Tayfun, isn't it?

How use Russians s300 SAMs for ground attacks.

What would be the speed of Tayfun in 200km range?

ESSM is not hypersonic. It is a 4 Mach top speed missile. It probably hits its target at a lower supersonic speeds. It has dual propellant. In other words it has dual thrust propulsion. Achieves high speed first then sustains it until it acquires the target.

Evolved Seasparrow Missile (ESSM) | Missile Threat

The RIM-162 Evolved Seasparrow Missile (ESSM) is a medium-range, surface-to-air interceptor designed to counter various air threats.

missilethreat.csis.org

Almost all of the short range and mid range air defence missiles in use in today’s modern systems are not hypersonic missiles. Even the long range air defence missiles are not hypersonic, unless they are stopping exoatmospheric threats. (Thaad is 8 Mach) (Aster 15. Aster 30 and Patriot pac 1-Pac3 missiles are all 3 to 4 Mach missiles)
Even S400’s longest range missiles that are supposed to stop a 14mach target has a top speed of 3.5 Mach. Only a couple of specific S400 missiles are hypersonic.

Decreasing range of Tayfun will not make any difference to its speed. Tayfun definitely flies at hypersonic speeds in mid course. The 458 second time quoted for a 561 km flight at 60-80km altitude (561 + ~ 140km = 700km overall flight) indicates that.

Missiles of S300 can be utilised as a ballistic missile. It can have a range of 400km to hit ground targets. Having limited weight of warhead may not be very effective. But this can be compensated by less fuel more warhead and less range.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

But then with what are we going to drop that thing? Don't tell me A400...

America uses C130 so Turkiye can use it too , aslo A400 that is bigger , but i hope if its a bomb than be it Thermobaric one because its more powerful like russian 7 ton FOAB is more powerful than GBU43 10 ton . I said for years that Turkiye need such bombs
Next target tell rifat YPG bases 1 shoot can kill all of them even if they are 1000 at base

 

[Baryshx]

America uses C130 so Turkiye can use it too , aslo A400 that is bigger , but i hope if its a bomb than be it Thermobaric one because its more powerful like russian 7 ton FOAB is more powerful than GBU43 10 ton . I said for years that Turkiye need such bombs
Next target tell rifat YPG bases 1 shoot can kill all of them even if they are 1000 at base

Let's get things done with a thermobaric bomb called the Grandfather of All Bombs

We should copyright this name after Usa MOAB and Russia FOAB Before China gets it...GOAB

It was a dream come true.

 

[Heartbang]

It was a dream come true.

I propose the name "the motherf**ker"

 

[Agha Sher]

Guys, calm down. It is the Sonda Roket capable of putting 100kg in 300km orbit.

 

[Combat-Master]

The fact that three different snapshots of this bomb were shared in Roketsan's promotional video brings three possibilities to mind. First, Roketsan also had a share in one of the GBU-43 variants. Secondly, this type of ammunition is already in the Air Force inventory. Thirdly, it was indigenized based on the geometry of this ordnance. Option D is all of the above. lol. I don't know which aircraft can drop a 10-ton bomb, I have no idea if our C-130s have the appropriate systems for this. But if we have a GBU-43 or similar, there must be something like a GBU-57 too, at somewhere. These two ordnance are two extreme examples that complement each other at the Massive Ordnance level in NATO inventories.

Does no one listen to the audio from the video as the GBU-43 is shown, is my questioning.

 

[Combat-Master]

From Roketsan video upper stage of sounding rocket line diagram is shown. It is likely that the hypersonic re-entry vehicle of CENK is also similarly powered.

CENK re-entry vehicle

 

[Combat-Master]

From Roketsan video upper stage of sounding rocket line diagram is shown. It is likely that the hypersonic re-entry vehicle of CENK is also similarly powered.
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CENK re-entry vehicle
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Compact rocket motor developed by Roketsan, likely to be used in CENK re-entry vehicle

 

[Strong AI]

Same? Yes.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Guys, calm down. It is the Sonda Roket capable of putting 100kg in 300km orbit.

look carefull even the holders of the bomb its similar to gbu 43 .