TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[boredaf]

Kemakeş is MAM-L with 10 times the range, so it should be pretty useful for every target it was used against.

(Or maybe somewhere between MAM-C (definitely bigger than this) and MAM-L (but maybe not as big as this) as I'm not sure if values Roketsan gave for the latter was for the whole missile or just the warhead.)

 

[TheInsider]

Of course, with its ATA it can always engage targets of opportunity.

However, when data link is lost you simply don't know what it is hitting nor you have any control over it. (I don't see any point in letting it loose after 50km, unless you launched it to a predermined target.)

But with SOM you have the data link that extend as far as its range. Which enables your situational awareness and control until the last moment.

Anyway, I should stop talking about KEMANKES. We are not gonna get this with our TB-2s anyway. As @Yasar previously pointed out about MTCR restriction. (Even though BD is not part of it, TR is)

Nope only SOM-J and C1/C2 have the data-link capability.

 

[Afif]

Nope only SOM-J and C1/C2 have the data-link capability.

I know, I should have differentiate in my post.
SOM-B1/B2 is meant for fixed and ground targets only. (So data link is not required)

On a side note- Is kement data link planned for SOM-j too? Because, it was still using link 16.

 

[TheInsider]

I know, I should have differentiate in my post.
SOM-B1/B2 is meant for fixed and ground targets only. (So data link is not required)

For example, you know the location of an S-300 launcher 200km away. You can launch Kemankes it will go to the coordinates with its autopilot and lock on to the S-300 launcher with its ATA capability. You don't need a data link. You can use it exactly like a cruise missile. Anything closer than 100km there will be a data link and man-in-the-loop capability.

Baykar's nationally and originally developed UCAVs, Bayraktar AKINCI, Bayraktar TB2, and Bayraktar TB3, are fit to be equipped with KEMANKEŞ. The mini intelligent cruise missile operates autonomously with an artificial intelligence-supported autopilot system, has an endurance of 1 hour, and its jet engine expands its effectiveness against critical targets behind enemy lines.

The Artificial Intelligence Assisted Optical Guidance System delivers the ability to identify and engage targets with pinpoint accuracy, even under challenging conditions. Moreover, KEMANKEŞ is able to operate during the day and night and is durable against any attempts of electronic jamming due to its Anti-jamming capabilities.

 

[Yasar_TR]

@Afif
Datalink refers to digital air/ground communications between aircraft and ground systems.
By definition.

If you read below article, you will notice that Baykar’s site states that Kemankes has data link capability. It has to have a two way communications ability in order perform what is expected of it. With 100km expected future range of communication from TB2, it will act as a stand-off weapon of TB2 without endangering the platform that fired it.

3 QUESTIONS – What kind of weapon system is the Baykar Kemankes?

In three questions, Can Kasapoglu evaluates the Kemankes, a mini, intelligent cruise missile developed in Türkiye by defense company Baykar to be

baykartech.com

All your questions are answered by Baykar. Just read it.

 

[Afif]

@Afif
Datalink refers to digital air/ground communications between aircraft and ground systems.
By definition.

If you read below article, you will notice that Baykar’s site clearly states that Kemankes has data link capability. It has to have a two way communications ability in order perform what is expected of it.

3 QUESTIONS – What kind of weapon system is the Baykar Kemankes?

In three questions, Can Kasapoglu evaluates the Kemankes, a mini, intelligent cruise missile developed in Türkiye by defense company Baykar to be

baykartech.com

All your questions are answered by Baykar. Just read it.

Yeah, sure. My main point was, its data link is currently limited by 50km. (In the future up to 100km)
So, even though it has 200km range, outside of its data link range, it will be useful against predetermined known targets only. (like SOM-B1/B2)

 

[boredaf]

It is way too light for a platform that can carry 1500 kgs, I hope they build a rack for it, at least that way Akıncı could be like a missile truck for Kemankeş.

 

[Kaan Azman]

KEMANKEŞ has a very similar cross section with MAM-L, my guess is they will start with a double rack for AKINCI and TB3 and go on with quad rack for AKINCI, possibly KIZILELMA

 

[MADDOG]

The first ignition test of the KTJ-3700 Turbojet Missile Engine, developed by Kale Arge for the land based ATMACA missile, was carried out successfully.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1671849064860639232

 

[Strong AI]

"BOZOK has proven itself again!
particle-effect and armor-piercing hybrid warhead
Laser Guided Miniature Ammunition BOZOK, which will be delivered within the year, will provide effective and strategic defense in an asymmetrical war environment."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1672302703014191108

 

[YeşilVatan]

"BOZOK has proven itself again!
particle-effect and armor-piercing hybrid warhead
Laser Guided Miniature Ammunition BOZOK, which will be delivered within the year, will provide effective and strategic defense in an asymmetrical war environment."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1672302703014191108

Does this mean that BOZOK will be a general purpose munition that can destroy armored targets as well as infantry, both in entrenhed positions or in the open? Isn't this role fulfilled by MAM family? Wouldn't that be expensive?

 

[Strong AI]

"KEMANKEŞ Mini Cruise Missile provides LoS communication with the carrier platform up to a range of 100 km with the help of the data link system / antenna on it. In this way, since the BAYRKATAR TB2 UCAV has a LoS communication range of 300 km, KEMANKEŞ can be carried on the TB2 UCAV up to a distance of 300 km and sent to the target. Since the LoS communication system (data link) on its own is also effective up to a maximum range of 100 km, in theory, KEMANKEŞ can be used up to a range of 400 km (since it can communicate with the TB2 UCAV and use it as a relay).
Having successfully eliminated enemy short-range air defense systems such as Pantsir-S1E (SA-22E) SA-15 TOR, TOR-M2KM SA-8B Gecko and Strela 10/SA-13 Gopher during the Syrian, Libyan and Karabakh Wars with ROKETSAN's MAM-L Ammunition, which can be used effectively up to a maximum range of 14.8 km, the TB2 UCAV will now be able to operate effectively against the enemy's fixed and mobile medium and long-range air defense missile systems in depth thanks to KEMANKEŞ."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673288607552122880

 

[Brave Janissary]

Nowadays air defence systems is very capable againts cold war anti ship missiles. But massive (50-100) organized swarm drone attacks can beat all kind of ships. In the near future mirv kind multiple kamikaze drone carrier missile can be more effective than anti ship missiles

 

[YeşilVatan]

Nowadays air defence systems is very capable againts cold war anti ship missiles. But massive (50-100) organized swarm drone attacks can beat all kind of ships. In the near future mirv kind multiple kamikaze drone carrier missile can be more effective than anti ship missiles

I agree, but warhead on Kemankeş is too small to damage a friggin yacht. Specifically tageting radar antennae would work though.

I always imagined something like a somewhat large and cumbersome missile that breaks up into many and targets the radar systems. Sort of like how some ICBM warheads break into 6. Just before entering CIWS range, the missile beecomes a missile swarm. All the individual missiles do evasive tricks and target radar systems. Effectively rendering the ship useless.

I wonder if it's doable...

 

[Brave Janissary]

I agree, but warhead on Kemankeş is too small to damage a friggin yacht. Specifically tageting radar antennae would work though.

I always imagined something like a somewhat large and cumbersome missile that breaks up into many and targets the radar systems. Sort of like how some ICBM warheads break into 6. Just before entering CIWS range, the missile beecomes a missile swarm. All the individual missiles do evasive tricks and target radar systems. Effectively rendering the ship useless.

I wonder if it's doable...

Yeah I am thinking same kind of missile. On the other hand radar mast not a only prior target. Bridge, CIC, vls, anti ship missile launchers can became a ship unoperational when hit.

 

[Ecderha]

I hope this was not posted yet.

this is usa new tank ammo M1147 in development stage.

Second video is more detailed and more informative

Question do we/Turkiye developing tank ammo with similar capability?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Birleşik Krallık'ın gözü İsrail'in Rampage Füzesinde

Birleşik Krallık, Ukrayna'ya gönderilen Storm Shadow seyir füzelerinin yerlerini İsrail üretimi Rampage süpersonik füzesi ile doldurma yolunda.

www.savunmasanayist.com

I don’t know how many times I have mentioned that we should be taking a page from Israel’s book and turn our TRG300 in to air launched 300+km supersonic air to ground attack missile.

RAF apparently has been clever enough to go that route. They are now reviewing and looking in to acquiring Rampage missiles.

We already transformed our TRG230 in to an air launched supersonic land attack missile. Why not do the same for the TRG300?

These missiles have a mid course flight speed of 4.2mach and they hit their targets with a lot of kinetic energy at supersonic speeds. Due to their long range that gives them stand off capabilities and to be able to carry a decent amount of explosives (105kg to 180kg even more) and pinpoint precision guidance makes them very cheap replacement of any air to ground missile.
I can’t believe that they can replace a storm shadow missile vis-a-vis. But could be a much cheaper alternative. An F16 can carry 4 of these under it’s belly.

Roketsan - TRG-300 Guided Missile

www.roketsan.com.tr

 

[GoatsMilk]

Birleşik Krallık'ın gözü İsrail'in Rampage Füzesinde

Birleşik Krallık, Ukrayna'ya gönderilen Storm Shadow seyir füzelerinin yerlerini İsrail üretimi Rampage süpersonik füzesi ile doldurma yolunda.

www.savunmasanayist.com

I don’t know how many times I have mentioned that we should be taking a page from Israel’s book and turn our TRG300 in to air launched 300+km supersonic air to ground attack missile.

RAF apparently has been clever enough to go that route. They are now reviewing and looking in to acquiring Rampage missiles.

We already transformed our TRG230 in to an air launched supersonic land attack missile. Why not do the same for the TRG300?

These missiles have a mid course flight speed of 4.2mach and they hit their targets with a lot of kinetic energy at supersonic speeds. Due to their long range that gives them stand off capabilities and to be able to carry a decent amount of explosives (105kg to 180kg even more) and pinpoint precision guidance makes them very cheap replacement of any air to ground missile.
I can’t believe that they can replace a storm shadow missile vis-a-vis. But could be a much cheaper alternative. An F16 can carry 4 of these under it’s belly.

Roketsan - TRG-300 Guided Missile

www.roketsan.com.tr

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Could it be that the Turkish army would keep something like this secret to surprise the enemy in war?

 

[Bürküt]

Could it be that the Turkish army would keep something like this secret to surprise the enemy in war?

We would have keep secret that we dropped TRLG230 from Akıncı, if that was the case I think.

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1676959608198553603

Looks like TÜBITAK won't attend IDEF'23. Bummer. A huge part of the Defense Industry will be missing.