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AFAIK they would produce Rolling missile with microwave seekers for Gökdeniz ER. But Göksur using Bozdoğan A2A missiles. Not same
 

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Sungur-ER will have both IIR and RF seekers and a longer range. No microwave seeker is planned for Sungur.
 

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AFAIK they would produce Rolling missile with microwave seekers for Gökdeniz ER. But Göksur using Bozdoğan A2A missiles. Not same
Turkish RAM replacement, most probably won’t have a rolling airframe. The only reason the US RAM rolls around its axis is because the interferometer it has on board can only work on one plane. By rotating the missile they achieve 360degree coverage for the dual IR seeker.
Turkish one will have 4 IR seekers. Hence omitting the need for rotation.

RIM-116 missile : Rolling Airframe Missile
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Turkish RAM alternative design.:
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This above design was shared by Roketsan as a possible missile for LEVENT point defence system, which was also contemplated using an upgraded Sungur missile.
But then again a Bozdogan based CIWS point defence system would do the job just as effectively.
 
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No, it is too heavy but it can be mounted on light 4x4 vehicles which might make it a hell of a SHORAD.

My ultimate manpads would be something like the following:

A Sungur-ER like missile carried by a two-man team on a Dirt Bike or small ATV. The missile is launched from a lightweight pedestal which is mounted on the bike and can be rotated 360 degrees manually. This way the missile can be made longer and heavier than a MANPAD while still being operated by a 2-man team.
 

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GÖKSUR uses the BOZDOĞAN missile, developed by TÜBİTAK-SAGE and updated according to the air defense needs of naval platforms, as an interceptor missile. GÖKSUR Close Air Defense Missile System is being developed in the product family setup and offers a solution with three different configurations with a modular design approach.

-Multiple Target Interception Capability,
-stand alone and/or Platform Integrated Operation,
-terminal guadiance with data link

https://www.savunmasanayist.com/aselsanin-yeni-hava-savunma-sistemi-goksur/
 
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Turkish RAM replacement, most probably won’t have a rolling airframe. The only reason the US RAM rolls around its axis is because the interferometer it has on board can only work on one plane. By rotating the missile they achieve 360degree coverage for the dual IR seeker.
Turkish one will have 4 IR seekers. Hence omitting the need for rotation.

RIM-116 missile : Rolling Airframe Missile
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Turkish RAM alternative design.:
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This above design was shared by Roketsan as a possible missile for LEVENT point defence system, which was also contemplated using an upgraded Sungur missile.
But then again a Bozdogan based CIWS point defence system would do the job just as effectively.
Does Bozdoğan Datalink capability?or next gen Bozdoğans will have?
I think current Bozdoğan has queuing system apart from SUNGURs. Computer could calculate possible target position and send Bozdoğan over to target, isn't it?
 

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Does Bozdoğan Datalink capability?or next gen Bozdoğans will have?
I think current Bozdoğan has queuing system apart from SUNGURs. Computer could calculate possible target position and send Bozdoğan over to target, isn't it?
When tested in 2021, Bozdogan did not have data link capability. But was planned to have it when it was time for serial production. Also LOAL (Lock On After Launch) capability will be imparted to Bozdogan, increasing its engagement range. Having a comprehensive off-boresight firing capability, Bozdogan can be a very effective WVR AAM. (Ability to shoot at targets that are not in pilot’s angle of vision.)

 
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GÖKSUR uses the BOZDOĞAN missile, developed by TÜBİTAK-SAGE and updated according to the air defense needs of naval platforms, as an interceptor missile. GÖKSUR Close Air Defense Missile System is being developed in the product family setup and offers a solution with three different configurations with a modular design approach.

-Multiple Target Interception Capability,
-stand alone and/or Platform Integrated Operation,
-terminal guadiance with data link

https://www.savunmasanayist.com/aselsanin-yeni-hava-savunma-sistemi-goksur/
Datalink capability !

Göksur will be more capable then RAM. Kinda horizontal launched Hisar A
 
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Ey ASELSAN Ey Roketsan, Please decide the final solution. There are Gökdeniz ER, LEVENT and now GÖKSUR!!

İt seems there is no rolling missile with microwave seeker.

View attachment 59248
You can notice the shaped cells for fins of Bozdoğan missiles.

Allaam yapıp yapıp duruyorlar, birini de bir gemiye koysalar artık.

Anyway Great news.

Thats exactly what we thinking.... ohhh it is really getting bored...
 

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There is one more detail here: the launch sequence of sea mines and air-launched torpedoes takes place at low altitude and low speed. With this type of system, the minelaying platform does not need to fly over a strip many times and all of the mines can be released in one go, and the minelaying aircraft does not even need to overfly the minefield. Aircraft can mine at a safe distance and at medium/high altitude. If we can integrate the same type kits into lightweight torpedoes, our maritime patrol aircrafts' deterrent capabilities can take a leap forward.
 

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"Off-Boresight" missile technology means that before launch the missile's radar or IR sensor can be cued to a target considerably off the nose of the launcher"

My question is : Could UMTAS and SUNGUR be cued to target before launch just with the software upgrades? İf yes , Turkish Navy's warships could launch UMTAS as well as SUNGUR vertically using data from Radars, isn't it?

Or the missile needs onboard inertial navigation system (INS) to navigate towards the target?

I don't think Hellfire has INS but somehow it can be vertically launched.

How Hellfire can be launched from VLS, crazy.
@Yasar Dear again me asking
 
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If Umtas is laucned vertically its range will be reduced by 2/4.
 

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