TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[TheInsider]

Is that range given for Tolun S after release from the rocket or overall range? For me it is not clear from the brochure.

And again do you have a source for this?

No it clearly states its total range given.

It is my personel source i can't give names. Anyone can ask details at IDEF. If i'm wrong about range, i will apologize.

Ah here i managed to find another one who mentions the same thing so no need to give names.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896547266577695164

It seems like Aselsan magazine also gave details

BTW even though this states 49880 feet it is the total altitude reached payload seperation happened around 40000 feet.

 

[Strong AI]

No it clearly states its total range given.

It is my personel source i can't give names. Anyone can ask details at IDEF. If i'm wrong about range, i will apologize.

Ah here i managed to find another one who mentions the same thing so no need to give names.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896547266577695164

But how can it be, like isn't GLSDB's rocket smaller and shouldn't the hybrid rocket of Göktan perform better? Afaik the glide range of both bombs differ only little.

 

[TheInsider]

But how can it be, like isn't GLSDB's rocket smaller and shouldn't the hybrid rocket of Göktan perform better? Afaik the glide range of both bombs differ only little.

It doesn't work like that. Hybrid rocket used in Göktan doesn't have the same thrust density compared to solid fuel rocket used in GLSDB system.

Delta V developed a special cryo turbopump to achieve similar thrust densities, but that is reserved for spacefaring rockets as it will make system expensive and complicated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842133879219458358

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This will increase thrust density up to 300% for the SORS rocket.

 

[Strong AI]

It doesn't work like that. Hybrid rocket used in Göktan doesn't have the same thrust density compared to solid fuel rocket used in GLSDB system.

Delta V developed a special cryo turbopump to achieve similar thrust densities, but that is reserved for spacefaring rockets as it will make system expensive and complicated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842133879219458358

Hizmetler ve Ürünler

Şirketimiz itki ve uzay sistemleri ve bunlar için gerekli alt sistemler için pek çok farklı konuda teknoloji geliştirme faaliyetleri yürütmektedir. Aşağıda belli başlı ürün haline gelmiş teknoloji geliştirme çalışmalarımız listelenmiş olup, bunlar dışındaki pek çok teknoloji geliştirme çalışması...

deltav.com.tr

This will increase thrust density up to 300% for the SORS rocket.

Then comes the next question to my mind. Why did they go with hybrid rocket and didn't use solid fuel too? I am sure Roketsan could deliver a rocket good enough.

 

[Sanchez]

Then comes the next question to my mind. Why did they go with hybrid rocket and didn't use solid fuel too? I am sure Roketsan could deliver a rocket good enough.

That'd require sharing the win with Roketsan. At least this way Delta-V gets a nice way to make money easily.

 

[Pokemonte13]

They could have put it on TRG 230 at least the it would have been cheaper even with lower range also you don't need another launch vehicle

 

[Radko]

Aselsan PDF for normal Tolun and Tolun IIR

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TOLUN-IIR_TR-(1)-(1).pdf

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TOLUN_TR-(1)-(1).pdf

PDF for Tolun-S

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TOLUN_S_TR.pdf

Its range is shorter than I first anticipated. It glides 102km if released from an aircraft at 40000 feet, add 17km horizontal travel of Göktan rocket before payload separation and we end with 119km total distance travelled, which is probably rounded up to 115km, not to make an error to be on the safe side while advertising to customers.

You are wrong

 

[TheInsider]

You are wrong

Care to explain?

 

[TheInsider]

Then comes the next question to my mind. Why did they go with hybrid rocket and didn't use solid fuel too? I am sure Roketsan could deliver a rocket good enough.

It might still be cheaper, as Paraffin and LOx or pressured Ox is cheap, and when there is no turbomachinery involved, it is basically a combustion chamber burning fuel and a nozzle. Synthesis of composite solid rocket fuel might be more expensive. It probably needs complicated chemical processes to produce composite solid rocket fuel.

 

[Pokemonte13]

could this be the launcher for the new ramjet missile

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1947297727295242584

 

[TheInsider]

I doubt it. Launchers seem too small for a ramjet cruise missile. When you launch from land, ramjet missiles need boosters so that the ramjet engine can start.

 

[UkroTurk]

could this be the launcher for the new ramjet missile

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1947297727295242584

I think the canister from Göktuğ family missiles.

Göksur launcher

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

could this be the launcher for the new ramjet missile

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1947297727295242584

purely judging by color looks like a naval launcher, perhaps something primarily designed for USVs. Maybe Çakır launcher?

Edit: never mind, looks like UkroTurk has provided the answer

 

[boredaf]

It might still be cheaper, as Paraffin and LOx or pressured Ox is cheap, and when there is no turbomachinery involved, it is basically a combustion chamber burning fuel and a nozzle. Synthesis of composite solid rocket fuel might be more expensive. It probably needs complicated chemical processes to produce composite solid rocket fuel.

Solid fuel is a very specialized process that is probably done by few places here, all the while you and I can make a hybrid rocket as the general principle behind it is very simple and as are the materials required, so, I'd say it would most certainly be cheaper.

 

[TheInsider]

Solid fuel is a very specialized process that is probably done by few places here, all the while you and I can make a hybrid rocket as the general principle behind it is very simple and as are the materials required, so, I'd say it would most certainly be cheaper.

Yeah. You need specialized buildings, doors etc, for the facilities that produce solid fuel rockets. Even the construction of those facilities is a problem. Workers need special training. Paraffin has no such needs and risks. Oxygen is also pretty safe if you are careful. There are like thousands of welding machines that use pressurized oxygen and accidents are rare.

 

[boredaf]

Yeah. You need specialized buildings, doors etc, for the facilities that produce solid fuel rockets. Even the construction of those facilities is a problem. Workers need special training. Paraffin has no such needs and risks. Oxygen is also pretty safe if you are careful. There are like thousands of welding machines that use pressurized oxygen and accidents are rare.

Basic principle is just an oxydizer and fuel burning through each other, you can literally make a rocket with plumbing parts, anything that burns vigorously (and long enough for the distance you want) and moonshine lol I'm all for it if it keeps the cost down while giving us adequate/reasonable distance. Especially since one of the selling points of this system is that it is very cheap to use.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1947300809752068464

Roketsan will unveil a new ballistic missile, approximately 10 meters long, at the IDEF 2025 fair.

The missile's mock-up is currently under wraps.

 

[TheInsider]

I don't know the diameter, but 10m hints at a missile that carries a warhead which weighs around half a ton to a range over 1500km. The total weight of the missile should be around 6000kg at max. This is my prediction based on the limited information at hand.

 

[Aloster]

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Göktan provocates my creativeness. Again I've come up with another crazy idea.

Shore-based ASROC !!!

This is air launched torpedo project from USA, please notice the similarity to TOLUN

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Boeing to make flying torpedoes able to attack enemy submarines from 30,000 feet

WASHINGTON, 4 April 2013. Airborne weapons experts at the Boeing Co. got the go-ahead Wednesday to start building add-on kits for the U.S. Navy Mark 54 lightweight torpedo that...

www.militaryaerospace.com

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From Turkish shores , ground launched Delta V rocket delivers light weight torpedo or very light weight torpedo!!

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SMART (missile) - Wikipedia

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India Has Tested A Very Long Range Supersonic Anti-Submarine Missile For The First Time

The missile releases a torpedo after reaching the target area, which can range out to 400 miles from the launch point.

www.twz.com

New Long Range Anti Submarine ROCket ASROC Emerges Out of China

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Do we need 500km range ASROC? imagine as if ground launcher and control unit based in Ankara , engaging submarines in the Mediterranean sea!!!

Just need to gather intelligence from USVs!!!

Actually Goktan seems to very flexible platform. We can think it as a booster for other similar weight and dimension smart munitions . we can connect it with gokdogan to obtain air defence / attack purpose , kuzgun tj to obtain cruise missile at same carrier vehicle with only kement link . For example one of Air or sea platform can detect enemy air asset via kement link it can fire goktan + gokdogan combination or it can detect enemy fac via kement link it can fire goktan + kuzgun tj or with goktan + tolun it can attack stationary ground targets. Also at future may be it can be mounted to unmanned navy assets.

 

[Trakya_forever]

Tayfun Block 4 missile is coming. 7200 kg, 938mm diameter, 10m lenght.