TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Pokemonte13]

No, GLSDB has like 150 km range (afaik) and Himars can have up to 300 km (afaik). Himars is basically just the launching platform for artillery rockets and the range varies with the type of rocket you launch from it.

I mean 300 Km range is with atacms which is a tactical balistic missile not the artillery rockets

 

[Strong AI]

it also means used in the same way, or has the same use or effect.

EDIT
Between you missed my point of my previous post.
Look at my next post please.

Do we know that? Will it be used in the same way only because it has the same concept? Will it have the same effect?
Is KAAN and F-35 equivalent? Is F-16 and JF-17 equivalent?

 

[Strong AI]

I mean 300 Km range is with atacms which is a tactical balistic missile not the artillery rockets

Post edited, thanks

 

[Strong AI]

@Angry Turk !!! and @No Name please ignore this post. Love and thanks.

@boredaf

This is my point. Look at these posts and then look what i have written.

Is this a "Himars" like system?

What is the difference between Himars and GLSDB?

So GLSDB has a bigger range than Himars like systems?

But if you guys write it is "equivalent", then don't you think that someone, who is not familiar with the subject, will look up GLSDB and think like "Göktan will have same range, dimensions and capabilities"?

 

[Afif]

It would be better if they integrate it with Kaplan MLRS instead of being stand-alone system.

 

[Sanchez]

It would be better if they integrate it with Kaplan MLRS I stead of bee8ng stand-alone system.

That'd make too much sense, we can't have that, we must have intercompany rivalries instead.

 

[Strong AI]

It would be better if they integrate it with Kaplan MLRS I stead of bee8ng stand-alone system.

That'd make too much sense, we can't have that, we must have intercompany rivalries instead.

Isn't that the same truck also used for Gürz and Gökdemir?

 

[UkroTurk]

Göktan provocates my creativeness. Again I've come up with another crazy idea.

Shore-based ASROC !!!

This is air launched torpedo project from USA, please notice the similarity to TOLUN

Boeing to make flying torpedoes able to attack enemy submarines from 30,000 feet

WASHINGTON, 4 April 2013. Airborne weapons experts at the Boeing Co. got the go-ahead Wednesday to start building add-on kits for the U.S. Navy Mark 54 lightweight torpedo that...

www.militaryaerospace.com

From Turkish shores , ground launched Delta V rocket delivers light weight torpedo or very light weight torpedo!!

SMART (missile) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

India Has Tested A Very Long Range Supersonic Anti-Submarine Missile For The First Time

The missile releases a torpedo after reaching the target area, which can range out to 400 miles from the launch point.

www.twz.com

New Long Range Anti Submarine ROCket ASROC Emerges Out of China

New Long Range Anti Submarine ROCket ASROC Emerges Out of China

armyrecognition.com

Do we need 500km range ASROC? imagine as if ground launcher and control unit based in Ankara , engaging submarines in the Mediterranean sea!!!

Just need to gather intelligence from USVs!!!

 

[Huelague]

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Göktan provocates my creativeness. Again I've come up with another crazy idea.

Shore-based ASROC !!!

This is air launched torpedo project from USA, please notice the similarity to TOLUN

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Boeing to make flying torpedoes able to attack enemy submarines from 30,000 feet

WASHINGTON, 4 April 2013. Airborne weapons experts at the Boeing Co. got the go-ahead Wednesday to start building add-on kits for the U.S. Navy Mark 54 lightweight torpedo that...

www.militaryaerospace.com

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From Turkish shores , ground launched Delta V rocket delivers light weight torpedo or very light weight torpedo!!

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SMART (missile) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

India Has Tested A Very Long Range Supersonic Anti-Submarine Missile For The First Time

The missile releases a torpedo after reaching the target area, which can range out to 400 miles from the launch point.

www.twz.com

New Long Range Anti Submarine ROCket ASROC Emerges Out of China

New Long Range Anti Submarine ROCket ASROC Emerges Out of China

armyrecognition.com

Do we need 500km range ASROC? imagine as if ground launcher and control unit based in Ankara , engaging submarines in the Mediterranean sea!!!

Just need to gather intelligence from USVs!!!

An air launched torpedo? We have such project.

 

[TheInsider]

@TheInsider

Again, i don't write this to look like a smart as* and please don't get me wrong. But if you guys write it is "equivalent", then don't you think that someone, who is not familiar with the subject, will look up GLSDB and think like "Göktan will have same range, dimensions and capabilities"? Wouldn't it be more correct to write "same concept"?
Afaik according to the small amount of information we have about Göktan, it should be far better than GLSDB.

Equal= Eşit
Equivalent=Eşdeğer.

Gliding bombs are difficult to deal with, they are a pain in the ass. Göktan can be deployed as standolane asset to provide firepower and precion strike capability as well as deployed with existing rocket artillery batteries to complement their capability. It has very low IR signature and low RCS, it is also effective against hardened structures as it can penetrate reinforced concrete to a certain thickness. Those are the main differences compared to HIMARS. It will probably be used with the ADOP system and tactical UAVs like TB2.

 

[TheInsider]

Let's say same concept, but not equivalent. Afaik Göktan is larger, has different rocket technology and thus should have greater range.

No, it doesn't have a greater range. Both GLSDB and Göktan have around 150km range. Actually, Göktan might fall a little short. In the test, Göktan travelled 17km horizontally and the payload(Tolun S) successfully detached at a height of around 40000 feet. It should glide around 110 km from there, which puts the total distance travelled to 127km. It was a test shot, so it will probably reach 150km under certain angles and conditions.

 

[Strong AI]

In the test, Göktan travelled 17km horizontally and the payload(Tolun S) successfully detached at a height of around 40000 feet.

Do you have a source for that?

 

[TheInsider]

Do you have a source for that?

Aselsan PDF for normal Tolun and Tolun IIR

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TOLUN-IIR_TR-(1)-(1).pdf

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TOLUN_TR-(1)-(1).pdf

PDF for Tolun-S

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TOLUN_S_TR.pdf

Its range is shorter than I first anticipated. It glides 102km if released from an aircraft at 40000 feet, add 17km horizontal travel of Göktan rocket before payload separation and we end with 119km total distance travelled, which is probably rounded up to 115km, not to make an error to be on the safe side while advertising to customers.

 

[Strong AI]

PDF for Tolun-S
https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/TOLUN_S_TR.pdf
Its range is shorter than I first anticipated. It glides 102km if released from an aircraft at 40000 feet, add 17km horizontal travel of Göktan rocket before payload separation and we end with 119km total distance travelled, which is probably rounded up to 115km, not to make an error to be on the safe side while advertising to customers.

Is that range given for Tolun S after release from the rocket or overall range? For me it is not clear from the brochure.

And again do you have a source for this?

In the test, Göktan travelled 17km horizontally and the payload(Tolun S) successfully detached at a height of around 40000 feet.

 

[TheInsider]

Is that range given for Tolun S after release from the rocket or overall range? For me it is not clear from the brochure.

And again do you have a source for this?

No it clearly states its total range given.

It is my personel source i can't give names. Anyone can ask details at IDEF. If i'm wrong about range, i will apologize.

Ah here i managed to find another one who mentions the same thing so no need to give names.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896547266577695164

It seems like Aselsan magazine also gave details

BTW even though this states 49880 feet it is the total altitude reached payload seperation happened around 40000 feet.

 

[Strong AI]

No it clearly states its total range given.

It is my personel source i can't give names. Anyone can ask details at IDEF. If i'm wrong about range, i will apologize.

Ah here i managed to find another one who mentions the same thing so no need to give names.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896547266577695164

But how can it be, like isn't GLSDB's rocket smaller and shouldn't the hybrid rocket of Göktan perform better? Afaik the glide range of both bombs differ only little.

 

[TheInsider]

But how can it be, like isn't GLSDB's rocket smaller and shouldn't the hybrid rocket of Göktan perform better? Afaik the glide range of both bombs differ only little.

It doesn't work like that. Hybrid rocket used in Göktan doesn't have the same thrust density compared to solid fuel rocket used in GLSDB system.

Delta V developed a special cryo turbopump to achieve similar thrust densities, but that is reserved for spacefaring rockets as it will make system expensive and complicated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842133879219458358

DELTAV Uzay Teknolojileri

deltav.com.tr

This will increase thrust density up to 300% for the SORS rocket.

 

[Strong AI]

It doesn't work like that. Hybrid rocket used in Göktan doesn't have the same thrust density compared to solid fuel rocket used in GLSDB system.

Delta V developed a special cryo turbopump to achieve similar thrust densities, but that is reserved for spacefaring rockets as it will make system expensive and complicated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842133879219458358

DELTAV Uzay Teknolojileri

deltav.com.tr

This will increase thrust density up to 300% for the SORS rocket.

Then comes the next question to my mind. Why did they go with hybrid rocket and didn't use solid fuel too? I am sure Roketsan could deliver a rocket good enough.

 

[Sanchez]

Then comes the next question to my mind. Why did they go with hybrid rocket and didn't use solid fuel too? I am sure Roketsan could deliver a rocket good enough.

That'd require sharing the win with Roketsan. At least this way Delta-V gets a nice way to make money easily.

 

[Pokemonte13]

They could have put it on TRG 230 at least the it would have been cheaper even with lower range also you don't need another launch vehicle