TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Cabatli_TR]

UMTAS-GM: Roketsan's Spike NLOS equivalent.

• Helicopter launched and land based variants will be available
• The missile is in trials and will be ready for serial production until the end of this year
• Roketsan is developing/carrying out R&D for around 40 undisclosed strategic missiles programs at present. UMTAS-GM is just one of them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652590586585554945

 

[Strong AI]

The UM in UMTAS means already long range (uzun menzil). UMTAS-GM will have longer range than UMTAS. So they need to name it UM-UMTAS-GM .

Joke aside, Israel should be happy now, because i think Greece will place an additional order of Spikes after this revelation.

 

[uçuyorum]

The UM in UMTAS means already long range (uzun menzil). UMTAS-GM will have longer range than UMTAS. So they need to name it UM-UMTAS-GM .

Joke aside, Israel should be happy now, because i think Greece will place an additional order of Spikes after this revelation.

Is GM literal translation for NLOS? "Görüşdışı menzili".

 

[Radonsider]

Or Gezici(-en) Mühimmat?

 

[Oublious]

Is GM literal translation for NLOS? "Görüşdışı menzili".

galaktik menzil...

 

[dBSPL]

I think a man-in-the-loop missile with a range of around 30 km is coming. (UMTAS-GM)

 

[UkroTurk]

I think a man-in-the-loop missile with a range of around 30 km is coming. (UMTAS-GM)

What would be the difference between Kuzgun KY with this? Warhead weight?

 

[Strong AI]

What would be the difference between Kuzgun KY with this? Warhead weight?

I think Kuzgun is not meant to be used against heavy armor.

 

[UkroTurk]

I think Kuzgun is not meant to be used against heavy armor.

Kuzgun-SS is a guided munition weighing nearly 100 kg.
So i would say Kuzgun KY is more destructive.

 

[dBSPL]

What would be the difference between Kuzgun KY with this? Warhead weight?

As far as I can understand, we will transform the UMTAS missile group into a product range that covering 500 to 25K/30K meter range, like Rafael Spike. Already UMTAS and L-UMTAS are actively used on various platforms. It may be possible to reach much longer ranges by slightly increasing the missile length and fins area. It is not portable, but if it can use the same launcher, it can be very useful by some tactical vehicles and attack helicopters or even attack boats.

 

[Strong AI]

Kuzgun-SS is a guided munition weighing nearly 100 kg.
So i would say Kuzgun KY is more destructive.

From Wikipedia:

"An anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), anti-tank missile, anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW) or anti-armor guided weapon is a guided missile primarily designed to hit and destroy heavily armored military vehicles."

So i think UMTAS-GM is more like a chainsaw, whereas Kuzgun is an axe.
In most cases, if you have both to hand, you will probably use the chainsaw.

 

[Heartbang]

As far as I can understand, we will transform the UMTAS missile group into a product range that covering 500 to 25K/30K meter range, like Rafael Spike. Already UMTAS and L-UMTAS are actively used on various platforms. It may be possible to reach much longer ranges by slightly increasing the missile length and fins area. It is not portable, but if it can use the same launcher, it can be very useful by some tactical vehicles and attack helicopters or even attack boats.

Won't mean much if the missile speed is as doodoo as its rumored to be.

 

[dBSPL]

Won't mean much if the missile speed is as doodoo as its rumored to be.

Will it be slower than the L-UMTAS? I didn't find any information on that, could you please share what exactly is being speculated? I certainly don't see it as a bad idea to provide very long range UMTAS, behind-the-scenes/beyond-line-of-sight engagement for chopper's most battle enviroment which a system already have RF data link, precision guidance and control capability and really efective armour-piercing tandem warhead.

 

[Trakya_forever]

Kuzgun KY is so fast nearly 1.5 mach. It is like an arrow. Umtas GM will be like Spike NLOS

 

[Heartbang]

Will it be slower than the L-UMTAS? I didn't find any information on that, could you please share what exactly is being speculated? I certainly don't see it as a bad idea to provide very long range UMTAS, behind-the-scenes/beyond-line-of-sight engagement for chopper's most battle enviroment which a system already have RF data link, precision guidance and control capability and really efective armour-piercing tandem warhead.

It was discussed in this forum in the past that UMTAS missiles are slower than their counterparts. I might be plain wrong though. Surely some other member with better knowledge would enlighten us.

 

[Radonsider]

It was discussed in this forum in the past that UMTAS missiles are slower than their counterparts. I might be plain wrong though. Surely some other member with better knowledge would enlighten us.

Yes, they are slower because of the IIR version (more time for the "man" in the loop)

 

[Heartbang]

Yes, they are slower because of the IIR version (more time for the "man" in the loop)

So, if this GM-UMTAS is equipped with a mmWave radar seeker, it would be faster, right?

 

[Radonsider]

So, if this GM-UMTAS is equipped with a mmWave radar seeker, it would be faster, right?

No idea

 

[Baryshx]

From an interview with the General Manager of Tübitak Sage;

Gökdemir will be launched with oblique firing in the first phase. However, vertical, flexible vertical and cold firing modes will be available in future phases.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652755543470100480