TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Knowledgeseeker]

No bro! We bought a number of them for 95000 dollars each from the US. Liked them. Ordered a good quantity for our needs. US declined to sell. Then we produced our own indigenous HGK version costing us then around 27000 dollars. Then US approached us and told us we could buy as many as we want for 24000dollars. (prices are approximate. Don’t quote me on that.) They of course got the middle finger.
We were already producing the MK series dumb bombs anyway.

Correct, i remember you mentioning the story a couple of times in the past. I just tought that it was a possibility that there was some form of partnership of producing licensed bombs/missiles in the past between Turkiye, and the US.

 

[Sanchez]

Only “smart” munitions Turkey produces under license is Stinger I believe.

 

[Kaan Azman]

I'm sad about most of TÜBİTAK SAGE's reccomendations/ideas have been falling on deaf ears whenever presented to top officals.

Even the KUZGUN we are excited about started as a self-funded project.

If we developed this for our Mk82 and Mk84 bombs from KGK, we would be discussing what seekers to use and hell, most importantly have a 500 km range cheap stand-off weapon with a yield rivalling cruise missiles available to UCAVs too.

Some sources say Powered JDAM but it is wrong terming. It would be Powered JDAM-ER as the powered kit itself is to be developed from JDAM-ER chasis.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Istiklal defence facility Kirikkale production capacity;
5,56/7,62 and 9mm 2 billion piece/year
40mm 200000 pieces/year,
60/81mm 100000 piece/year,
120mm 50000 piece/year,
120mm rocket 50000 piece/year,
155mm HE 50000 piece/year
View attachment 62127

Do we have the production figures of Roketsan? 50000 155mm shells are not enough for a country like Turkiye. Ukraine uses 6000-8000 shells against Russia every day. The capacity of Europe is around 300,000 shells annually, while Russia produces around 2 million now in the war period. The german firm Rheinmetall are ramping up to produce 600 000 shells in 2024, but their figures reached under 100 000 pre-2022.

 

[Osman]

Only “smart” munitions Turkey produces under license is Stinger I believe.

Aselsan produced paveway laser guided munitions under license in 1990s

There was a project with roketsan to produce popeye 2 under licence and it was abolished. Some resources claim otherwise though

 

[Yasar_TR]

Roketsan'dan balistik füze müjdesi: Yeni TAYFUN'lar geliyor

Roketsan, balistik füze çalışmalarını sürdürüyor. TAYFUN Balistik Füzesi için seri üretim faaliyetleri devam ederken, yeni konfigürasyonlar da geliyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

As Tayfun missile production efforts and deliveries are being realised, the improvements being made on the missile is resulting in various versions of it being developed and to be added to the armed forces of Turkiye in line with the feedback received from the army with respect to the needs and requirements.
There will be various versions with different warheads and seeker heads. The improvements will not stop and the missile will keep evolving as the deliveries and production carries on.

With a deep strike capability the Tayfun is the longest range tactical ballistic missile in Turkish armed forces’ inventory according to released information so far; Having flown point to point a distance of 561km in 458 seconds.

 

[BaburKhan]

Is there also a ASBM Variant ?

 

[Baryshx]

Roketsan'dan balistik füze müjdesi: Yeni TAYFUN'lar geliyor

Roketsan, balistik füze çalışmalarını sürdürüyor. TAYFUN Balistik Füzesi için seri üretim faaliyetleri devam ederken, yeni konfigürasyonlar da geliyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

As Tayfun missile production efforts and deliveries are being realised, the improvements being made on the missile is resulting in various versions of it being developed and to be added to the armed forces of Turkiye in line with the feedback received from the army with respect to the needs and requirements.
There will be various versions with different warheads and seeker heads. The improvements will not stop and the missile will keep evolving as the deliveries and production carries on.

With a deep strike capability the Tayfun is the longest range tactical ballistic missile in Turkish armed forces’ inventory according to released information so far; Having flown point to point a distance of 561km in 458 seconds.

View attachment 62242

I don't think we will hear about any more big projects in our country, unless some countries around us misbehave...

I wonder if we will have a good test on the 100th anniversary of our Republic. Like Cenk?

Then I think, with this government, it won't happen on this date.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Is there also a ASBM Variant ?

I hate initialism.
Anti Ship Ballistic Missile ?
There was talk about Bora having a version that would have a 4 to 500 km range and be able to hit moving sea targets.
Nothing actually clarified with respect to Tayfun having the capability to hit a moving sea target. It just needs the right seeker head and/or two way data link for course correction. With the latest statements regarding different warheads and different versions, I wouldn’t be surprised if they produced one with anti ship capabilities.

Tayfun, according to ”intentionally” released flight times and distances may have travelled a total of around 700+km in 458seconds, if you take in to consideration that it had to go up around 80km due to a presumed suppressed trajectory, and come down same distance as it was slowing; Meanwhile managing to travel point to point, 561km.
That means it has flown at high hypersonic speeds during its mid course. That would make it very difficult to intercept, especially if it manages to manoeuvre during mid course in three dimensions. That leaves terminal stage for interception. Many tactical missiles are intercepted at terminal stage. Unless a saturation attack is envisaged, it is difficult to evade a good modern anti ballistic missile system. We have seen examples of this in Karabakh with Iskander and Barak-8; Also with Kinzhal and Patriot in Ukraine.
Having data link and manoeuvrability may prove to be the key in evaiding anti ballistic missiles to a degree.

 

[Kartal1]

TRLG-230 demonstrating pinpoint accuracy again during the Mustafa Kemal Ataturk-2023 exercise held in Azerbaijan

 

[Afif]

TRG-230/TRGL-230 can be an excellent choice in Counter battery role against enemy's SP heavy artillery, as well as against enemy heavy armour. (It has a 42kg warhead. 1/4 of it likely to be high explosive, similar to a M795 projectile)

While it is likely to cost around $100000 each, still pretty much worth it as modern SP 155mm howitzers cost $ 2.5-10 millions. Similary, a tank cost $4-10 millions.

And we saw, despite having limited supply of GMLRS Ukrainian used it with great effect against Russian Artillery.

While it's big brother TRG-300 can be used to take out more high pay-off targets. (Like C2 Posts, supply and ammunition depots, etc.)

 

[TheInsider]

Is there also a ASBM Variant ?

HE-frag, thermobaric, ASBM, cluster, anti-radar

 

[boredaf]

Tests of the submarine-launched version of the ATMACA anti-ship missile developed by Roketsan will begin in the near future.

Denizaltıdan atılan ATMACA füzesinin testleri yakında başlıyor

Roketsan tarafından geliştirilen ATMACA gemisavar füzesininin denizaltıdan atılan versiyonunun testleri yakın gelecekte başlayacak. Roketsan tarafından yerli ve milli imkanlarla geliştirilen ATMACA gemisavar füzesinde yeni bir aşamaya geçiliyor. Füzenin denizaltıdan atılacak versiyonunun...

m5dergi.com

Great progress has been made in the design and production phase of the submarine-launched version of the missile. The version of ATMACA that will be launched from the submarine will first be separated from the submarine with a capsule in order to protect the secrecy of the submarine, and then the missile will be fired from the capsule and surface. According to the information shared by the Naval Forces Command, Roketsan has made significant progress in the design of the capsule and production preparations continue in accordance with the planned schedule. The project aims to start training shootings in the near future.

This is really great news, hopefully it won't face any problems.

 

[uçuyorum]

Tests of the submarine-launched version of the ATMACA anti-ship missile developed by Roketsan will begin in the near future.

Denizaltıdan atılan ATMACA füzesinin testleri yakında başlıyor

Roketsan tarafından geliştirilen ATMACA gemisavar füzesininin denizaltıdan atılan versiyonunun testleri yakın gelecekte başlayacak. Roketsan tarafından yerli ve milli imkanlarla geliştirilen ATMACA gemisavar füzesinde yeni bir aşamaya geçiliyor. Füzenin denizaltıdan atılacak versiyonunun...

m5dergi.com

Great progress has been made in the design and production phase of the submarine-launched version of the missile. The version of ATMACA that will be launched from the submarine will first be separated from the submarine with a capsule in order to protect the secrecy of the submarine, and then the missile will be fired from the capsule and surface. According to the information shared by the Naval Forces Command, Roketsan has made significant progress in the design of the capsule and production preparations continue in accordance with the planned schedule. The project aims to start training shootings in the near future.

This is really great news, hopefully it won't face any problems.

STM 500 can take 4 of these and 4 other heavy torpedoes right, especially land attack capable atmaca going to be a serious asset.

 

[boredaf]

STM 500 can take 4 of these and 4 other heavy torpedoes right, especially land attack capable atmaca going to be a serious asset.

Yeah, 4 in the tubes and 4 in the stowage, 8 heavy torpedoes or guided missiles. That submarine could be perfect for Aegean if our Navy decides to get it.

 

[Osman]

HE-frag, thermobaric, ASBM, cluster, anti-radar

Does Bora have the same versions?

 

[TheInsider]

Does Bora have the same versions?

No. Not that I know of. Anyway, Tayfun is a continuation of Bora. It will take years until the Tayfun family will be completed. I also expect a Tayfun-ER with a 1000km range with a reduced warhead.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718336365488676933

ATMACA Anti-Ship Missile was fired from BARBAROS Coastal Defense System.

 

[BaburKhan]

HE-frag, thermobaric, ASBM, cluster, anti-radar

ASBM will be important to deter french Carrier in Event of an War in the Aegean and eastern Mediterran. With a ASBM barrage Turkey can hit Aircraft Carrier, LHD and LPD size Ships.

In my Opinion the Threath from France make ASBM neccasary for Turkey.

 

[Afif]

Actually, the best way to sink French carrier is with Reis or Milden boats.