TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[boredaf]

Fair point, but doesn't that increase the sensor costs? You have to target the missile somehow.

You can direct it with a drone, obviously, since the missile itself has a semi active laser. I don't think Mete costs as much as everyone seem to think it might. You can buy a hobby rocket that can fly more than 1 km vertically for less than 100 dollars. Most expensive thing inside it would be the laser finder.

Also, for me, this is about keeping the soldiers that are using them safe. They can sit in a safe spot, scout with a drone and attack from kms away. And let's not forget, training soldiers, by which I mean professional soldiers and special forces that actually go out and risk their lives nowadays, cost time, money and resources as well.

 

[Aqerdf]

ÖKK use METE missile i think. I think we saw in one of their MSB videos.

 

[Sanchez]

ÖKK use METE missile i think. I think we saw in one of their MSB videos.

I don’t think that was Mete but a foreign tube launched drone.

 

[Aqerdf]

I don’t think that was Mete but a foreign tube launched drone.

Between 1:10-1:15 minutes they're firing METE afaik.

 

[boredaf]

A new claw for UCAVs: IIR MAM-L/T's specifications have been revealed

SİHA’lara yeni pençe: IIR MAM-L/T’nin özellikleri belli oldu | SavunmaSanayiST

Roketsan arafından geliştirilen MAM-L IIR ve MAM-T IIR mühimmatının teknik özellikleri belli oldu. Her iki mühimmat da 2 kat daha fazla menzile sahip.

www.savunmasanayist.com

The technical specifications of the MAM-L IIR and MAM-T IIR Mini Smart Ammunition developed by Roketsan have been announced. Both ammunition has approximately twice the range of the previous versions.

Roketsan, which developed Turkey's first UAV ammunition, is adding new members with different seeker heads to its MAM-L, MAM-C and MAM-T product family with laser seeker heads. In this context, Roketsan completed the testing activities of MAM-L IIR and MAM-T IIR ammunition, with which it integrated the imaging infrared (IIR) seeker head, together with BAYKAR.

According to information obtained by SavunmaSanayiST.com; While MAM-L ammunition with laser seeker head has a range of 15 kilometers and a weight of 22 kilograms, MAM-L IIR has a range of 25+ kilometers and a weight of 23 kilograms. MAM-L ammunition; It has fragmentation, high explosive, anti-tank and thermobaric warhead options. MAM-L IIR has a multi-purpose warhead with fragmentation effect and anti-tank features. Among the main target types of MAM-L IIR; personnel, main battle tank, radar antenna, etc. There are ground targets and armored vehicles.

The laser seeker version of MAM-T, the most explosive member of the MAM series ammunition, has a range of 30+ kilometers and a weight of 95 kilograms. MAM-T IIR weighs 96 kilograms and has a range of 50+ kilometers. While MAM-T has particle impact, high explosive and thermobaric warhead options, MAM-T IIR has fragmentation and thermobaric warhead options.

 

[BaburKhan]

According to former Air Force General Erdoğan Karakuş Turkey mastered ballistic Missiles with 3000 km Range.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807012507837448402

 

[Afif]

Turkey mastered ballistic Missiles with 3000 km Range.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1807012507837448402

Wow, that's fantastic I previously thought Chenk was about 1500-2000km.

According to former Air Force General Erdoğan

Wait, What?

 

[Fairon]

Wow, that's fantastic I previously thought Chenk was about 1500-2000km.



Wait, What?

Erdogan is his first name.(It can be both first and last name) Erdogan Karakus is full name.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Admiral General Saladeen comes to mind lmao

I wonder if we have these missiles in good enough quantities. Greeks were talking about "preemptive strikes" a few years back. They need to be aware of the fact that we have an immense second strike capability that would block their fighter squadrons from being usable for a second or third sortie.

Abdullah Bekçi wrote a very good X flood about this. He outlines that Greek airfields are great in quantity and spread across a large area. A significant chunk being in islands. His conclusion was that completely neutralizing Greek air bases would be nigh impossible without massive amounts of very precise ballistic missiles. Now, I think that Greek logistical (and command & control) capability can't handle even half the damage that mr. Bekçi imagines. Especially the new F-35s HAF will be getting will require special care, and only a few airbases will be fit to house F-35s.

All in all, we need really, really large amounts of ballistic missiles, preferably fired from east of Ankara, to be used as a crippling second strike capability to disable Hellenic Air Force if needed.

 

[Afif]

Admiral General Saladeen comes to mind lmao

I wonder if we have these missiles in good enough quantities. Greeks were talking about "preemptive strikes" a few years back. They need to be aware of the fact that we have an immense second strike capability that would block their fighter squadrons from being usable for a second or third sortie.

Abdullah Bekçi wrote a very good X flood about this. He outlines that Greek airfields are great in quantity and spread across a large area. A significant chunk being in islands. His conclusion was that completely neutralizing Greek air bases would be nigh impossible without massive amounts of very precise ballistic missiles. Now, I think that Greek logistical (and command & control) capability can't handle even half the damage that mr. Bekçi imagines. Especially the new F-35s HAF will be getting will require special care, and only a few airbases will be fit to house F-35s.

All in all, we need really, really large amounts of ballistic missiles, preferably fired from east of Ankara, to be used as a crippling second strike capability to disable Hellenic Air Force if needed.

*They have 6x MIM-104 batteries. (With PAC-3 interceptors) Judging from its performance in Ukraine, I say these batteries will should down hundreds of ballistics targets unless destroyed through effective DEAD. (Though, I don't think they will be able to knock out Chenk)

*F35 can be operated from remote airfields and even highways with the pre-prepared logical set up. (Which I assume Greeks would keep in mind given their context)

Russia launched hundred of SRBMs before the first patriot battery arrived in Ukraine to precisely knock out the Ukrainian AF on the ground. It wasn't as easy as expected.

Also, TSK may not want to launch hundreds of expensive missiles in few early attacks. Because those takes quite some times to manufacture and replenish the stock.

Also, keep in mind passive BMD could be in play here. Which matters. USA has Aegis Ashore in Romania. There could be several Aegis ships or European vessels equipped with SMART L around that may provide early warning. (With a really advanced C4 system, you could get the alarm within tens of seconds. SRBMs would take 3/4 minutes to strike the targets)

I am being a bit devil's advocate here. But it is always better to be prepared for the worse or when things doesn't go according to initial plan. It's an interesting scenario requiring joint and combined fight from TSK with each service operating in multipledomains at once.

 

[BaburKhan]

Here in the Link to this Blog you can see the Area which is covered with 3000 km Range.

Turkey is capable to produce ballistic Missiles in MRBM Category

According to former Air Force General Erdoğan Karakuş, Turkey is capable to produce ballistic Missiles with a Range up to 3000 km. Here for ...

strategicreviewturkey.blogspot.com

 

[Heartbang]

Admiral General Saladeen comes to mind lmao

I wonder if we have these missiles in good enough quantities. Greeks were talking about "preemptive strikes" a few years back. They need to be aware of the fact that we have an immense second strike capability that would block their fighter squadrons from being usable for a second or third sortie.

Abdullah Bekçi wrote a very good X flood about this. He outlines that Greek airfields are great in quantity and spread across a large area. A significant chunk being in islands. His conclusion was that completely neutralizing Greek air bases would be nigh impossible without massive amounts of very precise ballistic missiles. Now, I think that Greek logistical (and command & control) capability can't handle even half the damage that mr. Bekçi imagines. Especially the new F-35s HAF will be getting will require special care, and only a few airbases will be fit to house F-35s.

All in all, we need really, really large amounts of ballistic missiles, preferably fired from east of Ankara, to be used as a crippling second strike capability to disable Hellenic Air Force if needed.

Mostly a sound plan. however, as Afif has mentioned, they do have Patriots. Not all of them are PAC-3 yet, but they do have 'em.

This barrage of BM's should be supplemented with cruise missiles, loitering munitions, and decoys.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Always liked the idea of a decoy/target missile based on TAYFUN. It is a big must for us if we are aiming for BMD with the next phase of SİPER. TAYFUN is a modern SRBM with mid-flight manuevering capabilities which is a plus.

 

[Osman]

Please note that greece has 144 patriot ready to be fired in 36 TEL. Most probably they will use 2 patriots for 1 ballistic missile in order to intercept them. This means 72 ballistic missiles, even if all of them can hit their targets, which is impossible. Thats all

Do not take into account their s 300s in a ballistic missile attack. They are bad against ballistic missiles and probably are in poor condition.

After the annihilation of their pac 2 and 3s and s 300s even our ucavs carrying siha 230, çakır, kuzgun, kgk, tolun, mam t, kemankeş will be big threat for their air and sea bases

 

[Kartal1]

Long story short we should follow the example of Azerbaijan and arm our selves to the teeth with thousands of loitering munitions, decoys and launchers/launching platforms from all weight and range classes, operable from land, air and sea, develop the tactics for their optimal usage and be ready to saturate the enemy air defences, bait the "big boys" to a level that can allow for a swiftly executed SEAD/DEAD operation deeming enemy air defences ineffective.

We can't only rely on costly cruise missile and ballistic missile strikes. Before that we must ensure the conditions for their optimal usage.

EW is another theme of talk...