TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[UkroTurk]

The Question is, can the Range of Gökhan be increased to 400 km, to use it against high Value Assets like Tanker, AWACS &MPA ?

The range is not the question. SIPER SAM as a2a missile will fulfill your inventory when your a2a missiles are low. One ammunition multiple platforms.

 

[Strong AI]

Roketsan General Manager Murat İkinci:

"Kara Atmaca is our missile system that constitutes the highest family of our cruise missiles, excluding ballistic missiles. Its tests have been successfully completed, and it will soon be integrated into the Armed Forces. Once Kara Atmaca is included in the Armed Forces, its deep strike and deep attack capabilities will provide a significant added value to our land forces."

Son testler de tamam! İşte Çelik Kubbe'nin son üyesi! - Resim 1

Dünyanın en gelişmiş savunma sistemlerinden birini üretme yolunda ilerleyen Türkiye, Çelik Kubbe'ye yeni bir üye eklemek üzere...... - Sayfa 1

www.haber7.com

 

[Yasar_TR]

Hypersonic weapons are mediocre. It’s time to stop wasting money on them.

Probably the best performance of hypersonic weapons is their ability to burn through money at 10X the speed of sound. For the rest, it's mediocre.

thebulletin.org

A very interesting article on hypersonic missiles and HGVs.

Some of the bullet points are:

- Hypersonic missiles are not really a solution to all as it is made out to be.​

- They spend a very long time (around 30 minutes) in dense atmosphere which affects their speed detrimentally, as well as the difficulties with high surface temperatures that they have to tackle.​

- Existing weapon systems such as ballistic missiles already travel at hypersonic speeds, and spend much less time in atmosphere.​

- What distinguishes hypersonic weapons from these weapons is therefore their ability to glide at low altitudes, staying within the atmosphere for most of their flight.​

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- Manoeuvring HGV’s is not that easy. It also detracts from their speed.​

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- Because drag slows hypersonic weapons, they are no faster—and can actually take longer to reach their targets—than other warhead delivery systems, such as ballistic missiles flown on depressed trajectories.​

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- Hypersonic missiles and HGVs are not as stealthy as they are made out to be and are easily detectable and can be engaged and intercepted by Terminal Missile Defence Systems.​

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- HGVs and Hypersonic missiles, especially scramjet powered ones, cost more than ballistic missiles.​

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- Manoeuvrable Reentry Vehicles (MaRV) mounted on ballistic missiles can reach their targets providing the combination of speed, accuracy, range, and survivability (without being intercepted) , just as good as hypersonic counterparts.​

Reading between the lines of this article, one can not help but think that we are probably in the right direction with the development of high speed ballistic missiles like our Bora, Tayfun and Cenk. Thus logically, our next stage of development could be in to MaRVs. After all Iran and Pakistan have them too.

 

[Pilatino]

I wish we could see this TÜBİTAK SAGE PIF-PAF technology in the BLOCK 3 version of Siper at least.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1271001718424309761

We haven't seen any ambitious news after Mr. Gürcan unfortunately.

 

[Strong AI]

Hypersonic weapons are mediocre. It’s time to stop wasting money on them.

Probably the best performance of hypersonic weapons is their ability to burn through money at 10X the speed of sound. For the rest, it's mediocre.

thebulletin.org

A very interesting article on hypersonic missiles and HGVs.

Some of the bullet points are:

- Hypersonic missiles are not really a solution to all as it is made out to be.​

- They spend a very long time (around 30 minutes) in dense atmosphere which affects their speed detrimentally, as well as the difficulties with high surface temperatures that they have to tackle.​

- Existing weapon systems such as ballistic missiles already travel at hypersonic speeds, and spend much less time in atmosphere.​

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- What distinguishes hypersonic weapons from these weapons is therefore their ability to glide at low altitudes, staying within the atmosphere for most of their flight.​

​

- Manoeuvring HGV’s is not that easy. It also detracts from their speed.​

​

- Because drag slows hypersonic weapons, they are no faster—and can actually take longer to reach their targets—than other warhead delivery systems, such as ballistic missiles flown on depressed trajectories.​

​

- Hypersonic missiles and HGVs are not as stealthy as they are made out to be and are easily detectable and can be engaged and intercepted by Terminal Missile Defence Systems.​

​

- HGVs and Hypersonic missiles, especially scramjet powered ones, cost more than ballistic missiles.​

​

- Manoeuvrable Reentry Vehicles (MaRV) mounted on ballistic missiles can reach their targets providing the combination of speed, accuracy, range, and survivability (without being intercepted) , just as good as hypersonic counterparts.​

Reading between the lines of this article, one can not help but think that we are probably in the right direction with the development of high speed ballistic missiles like our Bora, Tayfun and Cenk. Thus logically, our next stage of development could be in to MaRVs. After all Iran and Pakistan have them too.

IMHO those systems are only the cherry on top. When the war drags on, your cake needs to be as good as possible. So first invest in the cake. For example i would prefer 100 more KAANs to an arsenal of HGVs.
And i think that anti-satellite weapons will be more important in the future. Because Türkiye will have many satellites orbiting earth. So when someone wants to shoot one down, he has to know that you can do it too.

 

[Sanchez]

Gökdoğan's active radar seeker is called AGRAS-100AA.

"The qualification of the GÖKDOĞAN Missile, which reaches high supersonic speeds, is nearing completion and firing tests are ongoing. The GÖKDOĞAN Missile Radar Seeker Head (AGRAS-100AA), which has been serially produced, contains many firsts with its high technology."

This has to be Gökhan:

"Development of Radar Seeker Head (AGRAS-200AA) for a longer range Air-to-Air Missile than GÖKDOĞAN is ongoing."
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Atmaca's radar seeker is AGRAS-300XS, while Çakır's is AGRAS-100XS.

"ASELSAN had started its radar seeker development studies with the Surface-to-Surface Guided Cruise Missile AGRAS-300XS (ATMACA Radar Seeker)."
"The ÇAKIR missile was developed by ROKETSAN. Development work is ongoing for the IIR, RF+IIR Hybrid and RF Seeker Head (AGRAS-100XS) types of the missile, which will be a very important gain for our defense force with its swarm attack concept."

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/aselsan_dergi_120_092024.pdf

 

[dBSPL]

Could we see A 2A Variant of SIPER like Americans did with SM-6?

It would be an extremely strategic move to have a common system in the air force inventory that could be used in very long-range air defense warfare, anti surface warfare, and ballistic missile defense warfare.

 

[Huelague]

The Space is a “demilitarized zone” (UN Charta) De-facto it is a high militarized zone, with a separate sub-force in the USA. In the future, the space will be more militarized.

 

[Shtr]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835948235296301312

As far as I know Arat is KTJ5000 or something close to it but what is G ? Something important must be coming up. This made me excited.

 

[Osman]

maybe a turbofan engine for Gezgin

Edit: No this is just turbojet engine for Gezgin. G is Gezgin missile. They write the name of the engine and then the missile using it. G is the missile using ARAT.

 

[Shtr]

You are probably right but it is ridiculous to not write its name and using a mysterious short name.

By the way I think that Arat has been already ready for a long time. SavunmaSanayiST shared a photo recently but I think it was taken at winter time. This sounds to me that Gezgin is fully ready or some minor issues remained. All things related to engine is already , now solved. I expect serial production in 2025.

 

[Sanchez]

Which reminds me, Tolun IIR was first shown and its range was announced in april 2023 and we were told firing tests would start in 2024. We are yet to see any videos for it, which should happen in the following months.

Here it is! Man in the loop test as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836098188421320848

 

[Strong AI]

Here it is! Man in the loop test as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836098188421320848

Can some expert evaluate the latency please.
By the way, if someone wants to buy the Stick for whatever reason, it is a "HOTAS Warthog™ Flight Stick".

 

[Afif]

Can some expert evaluate the latency please.
By the way, if someone wants to buy the Stick for whatever reason, it is a "HOTAS Warthog™ Flight Stick".

Seriously I had a plan to buy one for my DCS.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836133835727045039

 

[Afif]

Here it is! Man in the loop test as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836098188421320848

There is no man in the loop bro. I watched carefully. You are mistaken.

 

[somegoodusername]

There is no man in the loop bro. I watched carefully. You are mistaken.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836104608621514963

Because there is a woman in the loop. Women can serve in our military.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836104608621514963

Because there is a woman in the loop.

Yes indeed.

We should just say, person in the loop.

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836104608621514963

Because there is a woman in the loop. Women can serve in our military.

If we are splitting hairs, she's a Baykar employee, not a soldier

 

[Kaan Azman]

Either way, the test was worth the wait. I think no one expected a direct hit on an actual vehicle.

The seeker being a gimbal one is important to keep the target in crosshair