TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Strong AI]

Imo we shouldn't concentrate on numbers. Because in theory Cenk should be able to carry a nuclear warhead.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Can anyone enlighten me about quality of high explosives like RDX , HMX , TNT produced by USA , Russia n China . Is there any difference of quality produced by them ? Or same ?

 

[UkroTurk]

All credits to me and to our forum!!!
Turkish missile programs should have lessons from last attack.


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Why the Last Tested Nuclear Weapon Was a Bunker-Buster — Today's Iran Strike Offers Context


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Post Content:

Many don't realize that the last full-scale nuclear test conducted by the United States — “Divider” — was not just another atomic bomb, but very likely an earth-penetrating nuclear warhead, also known as a nuclear bunker-buster.

This test took place on September 23, 1992, at Yucca Flat, Area 3, within the Nevada Test Site, as part of Operation Julin. Though its exact configuration is classified, experts suggest that Divider was designed to validate the functionality and survivability of a low-yield nuclear warhead for use against hardened underground targets.

Key Facts:

Test Name: Divider

Location: Nevada Test Site, Area 3

Date: September 23, 1992

Estimated Yield: ~5 to 20 kilotons (unconfirmed)

Test Type: Underground shaft test

Purpose: Warhead survivability, reliability, and penetrator effectiveness

Operation Series: Part of Operation Julin — the last test series before the U.S. nuclear test moratorium



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Bunker-Buster Evolution During the Obama Administration

Although President Obama upheld the U.S. moratorium on explosive nuclear testing, significant progress was made in modernizing earth-penetrating nuclear weapons through simulation-based methods and subcritical testing (i.e., tests without a nuclear chain reaction).

Two key developments:

1. B61-11:
A nuclear gravity bomb introduced in the late 1990s and improved under the Obama-era B61 Life Extension Program (LEP). It was engineered to penetrate soil or concrete before detonating underground, maximizing shock wave effectiveness.


2. Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) — GBU-57A/B:
A 30,000-pound conventional bunker-buster (non-nuclear) developed for deep underground facilities like Iran's Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant. Multiple test drops were conducted during Obama’s presidency to assess its ability to destroy targets buried 200+ feet deep.



Both systems (MOP and B61-11) were designed not to replace each other, but to provide a full spectrum of options — conventional or nuclear — for strategic planning against hardened, deeply buried targets (HDBTs).


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Why It Matters Now

Today’s reported military strikes on Iranian underground facilities bring this entire history into sharper focus. In 1992, the U.S. conducted Divider, likely anticipating future threats involving fortified underground sites. Now, with real-time conflicts targeting those exact types of installations, the purpose of Divider seems prescient.

What seemed abstract Cold War overkill has become strategically relevant again. Nuclear bunker-busters are no longer a Cold War relic — they remain a key part of modern deterrence and strike capabilities, especially in scenarios where conventional weapons cannot guarantee success.


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Sources & Further Reading:

U.S. Department of Energy – DOE Nevada Nuclear Test Site Database

Nuclear Weapon Archive – US Nuclear Tests

Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists – B61 Modernization

Federation of American Scientists – MOP & Bunke
r-Busting Weapons

Arms Control Association – Nuclear Testing Timeline

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[Strong AI]

Roketsan CEO: "We produced tens of thousands of UCAV munitions."

Murat İkinci: "On binlerce ürettik!" #roketsan

Roketsan Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, yerli SİHA mühimmatlarıyla ilgili kritik bir bilgiyi ilk kez paylaştı.

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[BaburKhan]

Türkiye Turns to Hypersonics After Iran’s Missile Strike | TURDEF

Turkiye wants to reach hypersonic technology, Turkish Defence Ministry sources stated. This statement follows Erdoğan’s agreement to increase defence budget.

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[TheInsider]

The Chinese developed a really good ground effect UAV/missile hybrid with a big payload of 1000kg. Serious threat against carriers.

CH-T1 Suicide Drone: Rivalling DF-21 for Carrier-Killing Potential

Recent reports suggest that China's domestically-produced CH-T1 (Rainbow T1 or Caihong T1) ground-effect unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) has been approved for mass production. This development significantly bolsters China's coastal defense capabilities, granting it its own version of the "Caspian...

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[UkroTurk]

The Chinese developed a really good ground effect UAV/missile hybrid with a big payload of 1000kg. Serious threat against carriers.

CH-T1 Suicide Drone: Rivalling DF-21 for Carrier-Killing Potential

Recent reports suggest that China's domestically-produced CH-T1 (Rainbow T1 or Caihong T1) ground-effect unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) has been approved for mass production. This development significantly bolsters China's coastal defense capabilities, granting it its own version of the "Caspian...

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Ground effect vehicles are vulnerable against waves. If the sea is calm, Absolutely they will not be more serious threat than cruise missiles.

Large wings are very easy to be detected so there is n advantage. I would prefer slower USV rather than this.

i don't know if it is cheaper than gps guided rocket artillery or a cruise missile.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

The Chinese developed a really good ground effect UAV/missile hybrid with a big payload of 1000kg. Serious threat against carriers.

CH-T1 Suicide Drone: Rivalling DF-21 for Carrier-Killing Potential

Recent reports suggest that China's domestically-produced CH-T1 (Rainbow T1 or Caihong T1) ground-effect unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) has been approved for mass production. This development significantly bolsters China's coastal defense capabilities, granting it its own version of the "Caspian...

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If its not steath and immune from jamming than its useless , remember iran attacked israel with some 500 Ballistic missiles bit only 40 hypersonic ones reached their targets .

 

[TheInsider]

Ground effect vehicles are vulnerable against waves. If the sea is calm, Absolutely they will not be more serious threat than cruise missiles.

Large wings are very easy to be detected so there is n advantage. I would prefer slower USV rather than this.

i don't know if it is cheaper than gps guided rocket artillery or a cruise missile.

This one is not vulnerable against waves because it has mmw radar and adjuts its path according to waves.

 

[TheInsider]

If its not steath and immune from jamming than its useless , remember iran attacked israel with some 500 Ballistic missiles bit only 40 hypersonic ones reached their targets .

It is reported to have an RCS as big as a seagull besides it hides itself from RF emissions while flying low and hiding inside sea clutter. It can probably be detected by the flying wing of the carriers and CIWs systems in the terminal phase.

 

[boredaf]

If its not steath and immune from jamming than its useless , remember iran attacked israel with some 500 Ballistic missiles bit only 40 hypersonic ones reached their targets .

There is a massive difference in attacking a well prepared anti-air umbrella that covers multiple layers and knows where the missiles are likely to come and an aircraft carrier (plus its entourage), in open seas, in a situation where they might not even be sure where this missile will come from.

Also, I wouldn't compare Iran's technology with China, at all.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Ground effect on wings allow aerial vehicles fly very efficiently when they are close to surface.
But the plane needs to be as close to surface as technically possible. (Closer than the distance of a one wing span; most apparent effect is observed at less than half of one wing span.)

To take advantage of the effect the surface needs to be very even; either a paved surface or a very calm sea.

It is also important to remember that manoeuvrability is adversely effected during this form of flight.

Also flying too low has its own dangers;
such as :
unexpected swells hitting wings.
Unnoticed vessels, small boats in the sea that are in the way.
Whales, dolphins jumping out.
Buoys,
Rogue waves.

Nevertheless it is a novel and ingenious idea. Being stealthy and having capability to avoid waves beforehand improves its survivability.

 

[UkroTurk]

RCS as big as a seagull

Today AESA radars of modern Navies could detect submarine periscope from 30km so for US Navy radars , detection of such big , large and heavy aircraft would be very easy. US Navy warships would detect it from 70km after that the ecranoplan would be destroyed by 2 ESSM in 50km range.
ESSM is very capable air defense missile, if you have forgotten.

Being stealthy and having capability to avoid waves beforehand improves its survivability

low flying ANKA-3 with çakır missiles is the most optimal solution.
Or from high altitude dropping Tolun !

 

[Yasar_TR]

Today AESA radars of modern Navies could detect submarine periscope from 30km so for US Navy radars , detection of such big , large and heavy aircraft would be very easy. US Navy warships would detect it from 70km after that the ecranoplan would be destroyed by 2 ESSM in 50km range.
ESSM is very capable air defense missile, if you have forgotten.




low flying ANKA-3 with çakır missiles is the most optimal solution.
Or from high altitude dropping Tolun !
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Flying so close to the water surface would create so much spray that it would mask it‘s radar footprint. It is claimed that at calm waters, this plane can fly at 0.5 metres above sea surface.

Even a carrier with a radar mast as high as ~70metres can not see anything beyond 35km. As it is going to be well masked from radar signals, only way to notice it is, visually or if the carrier has aerial assets flying high above with powerful radars. If a radar can differentiate a seagull travelling at 0.6 Mach and it has algorithms to recognise it as a danger, then it can fall prey. Otherwise if it doesn’t show on the radar of Anka-3, how is it to target it? Besides, both CAKIR and Tolun with IIR seekers are only effective against moving targets travelling at lower than 70km/hour. You need a2a missiles to hit something travelling at 0.6 Mach.

 

[Strong AI]

Otherwise if it doesn’t show on the radar of Anka-3, how is it to target it? Besides, both CAKIR and Tolun with IIR seekers are only effective against moving targets travelling at lower than 70km/hour. You need a2a missiles to hit something travelling at 0.6 Mach.

I think he talks about hitting a ship, not the chinese drone.

 

[UkroTurk]

 

[Bogeyman]

Ahlatcı Makes a First in Turkey: A $2.3 Billion Strategic Investment in Çorum!

Ahlatcı Holding is preparing to undertake another major project that will leave its mark on the history of the Turkish defense industry. Ahmet Ahlatcı, Chairman of the Holding's Board of Directors, announced the establishment of a $2.3 billion missile and rocket fuel production facility in Çorum. This facility, a first in Turkey, is expected to make significant contributions to the country's defense with both its technological infrastructure and production capacity.

Domestic Defense Production to Rise in Çorum

Ahlatcı stated that the new facility will create employment for approximately 2,000 people, highlighting the scale and impact of the investment. He noted that efforts are underway to bring the facility to the 2nd Organized Industrial Zone on the Samsun road, saying, "I love my hometown. If deemed appropriate, we want to bring this strategic investment to Çorum."

Offers Rain Down, Hometown Is the Choice Again

Despite receiving offers from across Turkey, Ahlatcı Holding has once again chosen its hometown, Çorum. Recalling that they previously wanted to bring the Gunpowder Factory to Çorum, but due to a lack of suitable land allocation, they built it in Sungurlu, Ahlatcı stated, "Our goal is to make a strategic investment in Çorum."

Contributing to Both the Economy and National Security

If the investment is realized, Çorum's industry and employment potential will be significantly strengthened. The facility will also contribute significantly to the vision of domestic and national production in the defense industry, reducing Turkey's dependence on foreign sources in this area.

This visionary step by Ahmet Ahlatcı is poised to elevate not only Çorum's, but also Turkey's, strength and strategic capabilities in the defense industry.

Ahlatcı’dan Türkiye’de Bir İlk: Çorum’a 2,3 Milyar Dolarlık Stratejik Yatırım! - Savunma Hattı - Savunma Sanayi Haberleri, Savunma Sanayi Gündemi

Ahlatcı Holding, Türkiye savunma sanayii tarihinde iz bırakacak dev bir projeye daha imza atmaya hazırlanıyor. Holdingin Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Ahmet Ahlatcı, Çorum’a 2,3 milyar dolarlık füze ve roket yakıtları üretim tesisi kuracaklarını açıkladı. Türkiye’de bir ilk olma özelliği taşıyan bu...

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[Ahlatshah]

Ahlatcı Makes a First in Turkey: A $2.3 Billion Strategic Investment in Çorum!

Ahlatcı Holding is preparing to undertake another major project that will leave its mark on the history of the Turkish defense industry. Ahmet Ahlatcı, Chairman of the Holding's Board of Directors, announced the establishment of a $2.3 billion missile and rocket fuel production facility in Çorum. This facility, a first in Turkey, is expected to make significant contributions to the country's defense with both its technological infrastructure and production capacity.

Domestic Defense Production to Rise in Çorum

Ahlatcı stated that the new facility will create employment for approximately 2,000 people, highlighting the scale and impact of the investment. He noted that efforts are underway to bring the facility to the 2nd Organized Industrial Zone on the Samsun road, saying, "I love my hometown. If deemed appropriate, we want to bring this strategic investment to Çorum."

Offers Rain Down, Hometown Is the Choice Again

Despite receiving offers from across Turkey, Ahlatcı Holding has once again chosen its hometown, Çorum. Recalling that they previously wanted to bring the Gunpowder Factory to Çorum, but due to a lack of suitable land allocation, they built it in Sungurlu, Ahlatcı stated, "Our goal is to make a strategic investment in Çorum."

Contributing to Both the Economy and National Security

If the investment is realized, Çorum's industry and employment potential will be significantly strengthened. The facility will also contribute significantly to the vision of domestic and national production in the defense industry, reducing Turkey's dependence on foreign sources in this area.

This visionary step by Ahmet Ahlatcı is poised to elevate not only Çorum's, but also Turkey's, strength and strategic capabilities in the defense industry.

Ahlatcı’dan Türkiye’de Bir İlk: Çorum’a 2,3 Milyar Dolarlık Stratejik Yatırım! - Savunma Hattı - Savunma Sanayi Haberleri, Savunma Sanayi Gündemi

Ahlatcı Holding, Türkiye savunma sanayii tarihinde iz bırakacak dev bir projeye daha imza atmaya hazırlanıyor. Holdingin Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Ahmet Ahlatcı, Çorum’a 2,3 milyar dolarlık füze ve roket yakıtları üretim tesisi kuracaklarını açıkladı. Türkiye’de bir ilk olma özelliği taşıyan bu...

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Excellent development.

Ahlatçı is deserving credit because they (mostly) transformed Çorum a place from migrate to a place to migrate. There is already organized defense Industry in Çorum (in Ankara road). Their mechanics (ustaları) are famous for their expertise and very good their jobs after all. Note a joke, I mean it. The most negative side of it that lacks airport. Close to Merzifon Airport though (about 45 kms), but it may affect talent attraction from other places nonetheless

If this happens, in terms of serial production, private sector could be much more efficient and effective than public companies in my opinion. They are neither slow, nor sloppy because every second they lose money without production.

We need more from private companies, risk takers and investors like that must be supported. They help decentralization of arms manufacturing, creating high skilled jobs and economy in provincial places while fulfiling demands of the country.

 

[Boykaz]

what could happen?
İHA-300 ?
TAYFUN ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1945513465289855145

 

[TheInsider]

Looks like air-launched artillery rocket/ballistic missile.