TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[TheInsider]

I think the AKBABA project is canceled.

No, on the contrary, Akbaba is moving to LRIP.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Akbaba missile is a classified development, until someone decides to use it for political means. But it has all the wholemarks that it is still progressing.
According to technical information coming out of Roketsan, it is powered by a solid fuelled ramjet engine.
Although no specifics have been released, it is logical to assume that it is going to be similar to the meteor missile.
Since it is an anti radiation missile and has to seek for radiation sources; Hence may have to loiter whilst searching (even though it hasn’t been mentioned that it will) , it may have to have a throttle controlled propulsion.
So it will have to have a booster stage to bring the ramjet in to operation, whose solid fuel may have to be stored in the combustion chamber. Once this is depleted, the solid fuel for the ramjet propulsion that is stuck on to the inner periphery of the combustion chamber is peeled off in layers as and when needed giving controlled throttle and variable speed capability.
This is a very special technology. If Roketsan has managed to apply it, then they need to be highly commended.

 

[Hannibal]

Could the Kaan carry a missile similar to ASM-3 inside weapons bays?

Weapons bay of Kaan is not like F-22 or F-35, more like SU-57 with the weapon bays between the engines. Allowing for longer length missiles/bombs.

Could it carry a 6 metre ramjet missile in stealth configuration?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Could the Kaan carry a missile similar to ASM-3 inside weapons bays?

Weapons bay of Kaan is not like F-22 or F-35, more like SU-57 with the weapon bays between the engines. Allowing for longer length missiles/bombs.

Could it carry a 6 metre ramjet missile in stealth configuration?

In order to inflict enough damage to a ship a missile needs to be :
1. able to carry adequate explosives and/or
2. have plenty of kinetic energy during impact.
The ASM-3 missile is approximately 1000kg in weight. So it should have enough explosive on board to sink a ship.
At nearly 3 mach speed on impact, it possesses enough kinetic energy to rip through any ship’s hull.
It has a diameter of 35cm and a length of 6 meters.

We can just about fit SOM-J in to the IWB of KAAN. SOM-J is 3.9 meters in length and 540kg in weight.

The measurements related to KAAN and its internal bays are classified information. We can only make educated guesses. But what we know tells us that it is not possible to carry such a large missile in IWBs of KAAN.

ps SU57 IWB length is 4.4 metres

 

[Oublious]

Looks like they are testing for a minimum drop test...

Look to the turn what it can do...

 

[Oublious]

Aselflir500 is being used...

 

[Turkic]

Use logic,where are you going to put the VLS on such a small sub(probably 6,3/4 m diameter) in diameter?

I saw an edit about Russian submarine fleet today and I remembered this discussion. Can Asfat's Milden design with VLS be like this; VLS canisters placed with angle ? I couldn't figure out which exact Russian submarine it was so here is the edit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1913380784309760140

 

[Sanchez]

I saw an edit about Russian submarine fleet today and I remembered this discussion. Can Asfat's Milden design with VLS be like this; VLS canisters placed with angle ? I couldn't figure out which exact Russian submarine it was so here is the edit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1913380784309760140

That looks like an Oscar class SSGN, it's about 4 times heavier and have twice the length compared to the planned MilDen, so Milden definitely won't have two sets of tubes on the sides of the sail, lacking a double hull. As it will be shorter in length, placing them on an angle is a misuse of space.

 

[Turkic]

That looks like an Oscar class SSGN, it's about 4 times heavier and have twice the length compared to the planned MilDen, so Milden definitely won't have two sets of tubes on the sides of the sail, lacking a double hull. As it will be shorter in length, placing them on an angle is a misuse of space.

Thanks for your answer. Would it be feasible to do this with a Milden-2 ? Placing canisters angled in front or behind the sail by lengthening the hull by 10-15 meters, adding a new compartment ?

 

[TR_123456]

Thanks for your answer. Would it be feasible to do this with a Milden-2 ? Placing canisters in front or behind the sail by lengthening the hull by 10-15 meters, adding a new compartment ?

For your last question,its not about lenght but about diameter of the sub.
Just think about the length of the canisters.

 

[Sanchez]

"Within the scope of the procurement of the GEZGİN National Joint Cruise Missile, which will provide long-range and depth attack capability against critical land targets, Encapsulated Gezgin Mass Equivalent Firings were successfully carried out in Aksaz using the Submarine Test Infrastructure (DATA) designed and produced by TÜBİTAK SAGE. Missile's National Vertical Launch Launcher System (MİDLAS) harmonization studies are continuing."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919341872641704413

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919674793223164156

Roketsan GM, we're developing a whole family of missiles for Anka, aksungur, akinci and KE.

 

[Pokemonte13]

"Within the scope of the procurement of the GEZGİN National Joint Cruise Missile, which will provide long-range and depth attack capability against critical land targets, Encapsulated Gezgin Mass Equivalent Firings were successfully carried out in Aksaz using the Submarine Test Infrastructure (DATA) designed and produced by TÜBİTAK SAGE. Missile's National Vertical Launch Launcher System (MİDLAS) harmonization studies are continuing."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919341872641704413

That would mean that design(weight distribution, length, size) is finished would that mean that they already finished the missile and already tested it?

 

[Bogeyman]

"Within the scope of the procurement of the GEZGİN National Joint Cruise Missile, which will provide long-range and depth attack capability against critical land targets, Encapsulated Gezgin Mass Equivalent Firings were successfully carried out in Aksaz using the Submarine Test Infrastructure (DATA) designed and produced by TÜBİTAK SAGE. Missile's National Vertical Launch Launcher System (MİDLAS) harmonization studies are continuing."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919341872641704413

moment of shooting

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919794572877549784

 

[boredaf]

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moment of shooting

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919794572877549784

What the person believes to be the moment of the test would be a more accurate translation.

 

[Sanchez]

What the person believes to be the moment of the test would be a more accurate translation.

Yes, but that does seem to match what we expect gezgin to look like. Basically a Turkish MdCN.

Non vertical launch angle must mean it's from earlier tests.

 

[Armament]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919834615918776349

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919834615918776349

I'm not sure if we were supposed to see that, especially the seeker head.

Nice 280km range missile.

 

[Hannibal]

What engine does it use? Is ARAT even finished?

 

[Oublious]

What engine does it use? Is ARAT even finished?

Ukraine engine was the story back in the days, the foreigner company was not named.