TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Strong AI]

I think the AKBABA project is canceled.

Why?

TÜBİTAK Finishes AKBABA Missile’s Antenna Layout Analysis | TURDEF

ROKETSAN’s AKBABA anti-radiation missile’s second phase antenna layout analysis was completed according to the 2023 Annual Report of TÜBİTAK.

turdef.com

 

[TheInsider]

I think the AKBABA project is canceled.

No, on the contrary, Akbaba is moving to LRIP.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Akbaba missile is a classified development, until someone decides to use it for political means. But it has all the wholemarks that it is still progressing.
According to technical information coming out of Roketsan, it is powered by a solid fuelled ramjet engine.
Although no specifics have been released, it is logical to assume that it is going to be similar to the meteor missile.
Since it is an anti radiation missile and has to seek for radiation sources; Hence may have to loiter whilst searching (even though it hasn’t been mentioned that it will) , it may have to have a throttle controlled propulsion.
So it will have to have a booster stage to bring the ramjet in to operation, whose solid fuel may have to be stored in the combustion chamber. Once this is depleted, the solid fuel for the ramjet propulsion that is stuck on to the inner periphery of the combustion chamber is peeled off in layers as and when needed giving controlled throttle and variable speed capability.
This is a very special technology. If Roketsan has managed to apply it, then they need to be highly commended.

 

[Hannibal]

Could the Kaan carry a missile similar to ASM-3 inside weapons bays?

Weapons bay of Kaan is not like F-22 or F-35, more like SU-57 with the weapon bays between the engines. Allowing for longer length missiles/bombs.

Could it carry a 6 metre ramjet missile in stealth configuration?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Could the Kaan carry a missile similar to ASM-3 inside weapons bays?

Weapons bay of Kaan is not like F-22 or F-35, more like SU-57 with the weapon bays between the engines. Allowing for longer length missiles/bombs.

Could it carry a 6 metre ramjet missile in stealth configuration?

In order to inflict enough damage to a ship a missile needs to be :
1. able to carry adequate explosives and/or
2. have plenty of kinetic energy during impact.
The ASM-3 missile is approximately 1000kg in weight. So it should have enough explosive on board to sink a ship.
At nearly 3 mach speed on impact, it possesses enough kinetic energy to rip through any ship’s hull.
It has a diameter of 35cm and a length of 6 meters.

We can just about fit SOM-J in to the IWB of KAAN. SOM-J is 3.9 meters in length and 540kg in weight.

The measurements related to KAAN and its internal bays are classified information. We can only make educated guesses. But what we know tells us that it is not possible to carry such a large missile in IWBs of KAAN.

ps SU57 IWB length is 4.4 metres

 

[Oublious]

Looks like they are testing for a minimum drop test...

Look to the turn what it can do...

 

[Oublious]

Aselflir500 is being used...

 

[Turkic]

Use logic,where are you going to put the VLS on such a small sub(probably 6,3/4 m diameter) in diameter?

I saw an edit about Russian submarine fleet today and I remembered this discussion. Can Asfat's Milden design with VLS be like this; VLS canisters placed with angle ? I couldn't figure out which exact Russian submarine it was so here is the edit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1913380784309760140

 

[Sanchez]

I saw an edit about Russian submarine fleet today and I remembered this discussion. Can Asfat's Milden design with VLS be like this; VLS canisters placed with angle ? I couldn't figure out which exact Russian submarine it was so here is the edit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1913380784309760140

That looks like an Oscar class SSGN, it's about 4 times heavier and have twice the length compared to the planned MilDen, so Milden definitely won't have two sets of tubes on the sides of the sail, lacking a double hull. As it will be shorter in length, placing them on an angle is a misuse of space.

 

[Turkic]

That looks like an Oscar class SSGN, it's about 4 times heavier and have twice the length compared to the planned MilDen, so Milden definitely won't have two sets of tubes on the sides of the sail, lacking a double hull. As it will be shorter in length, placing them on an angle is a misuse of space.

Thanks for your answer. Would it be feasible to do this with a Milden-2 ? Placing canisters angled in front or behind the sail by lengthening the hull by 10-15 meters, adding a new compartment ?

 

[TR_123456]

Thanks for your answer. Would it be feasible to do this with a Milden-2 ? Placing canisters in front or behind the sail by lengthening the hull by 10-15 meters, adding a new compartment ?

For your last question,its not about lenght but about diameter of the sub.
Just think about the length of the canisters.