TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[boredaf]

I doubt that it will be the belly station, more like one of the stations right next to it. The problem is the landing gear and uav-300 is much longer than the bomb in this picture.

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Has Akıncı carried 1 ton munition in its inner pylon before? I can't remember anything heavier than either Çakır or UAV-230. Also, wouldn't that cause abysmal weight distribution that could effect the drone?

 

[Strong AI]

Has Akıncı carried 1 ton munition in its inner pylon before? I can't remember anything heavier than either Çakır or UAV-230. Also, wouldn't that cause abysmal weight distribution that could effect the drone?

Afaik no, but if the wing structure allows it, they should be able to trim it out.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Has Akıncı carried 1 ton munition in its inner pylon before? I can't remember anything heavier than either Çakır or UAV-230. Also, wouldn't that cause abysmal weight distribution that could effect the drone?

If there is a will there is a way.

Please remember that 950kg outer, 400kg inner payload limit was set for an Akinci with 2 x 450HP Ukranian engines propelling it. At the moment it has 2 x 750HP P&W PT6A engines. And we don’t really know it’s true performance levels with those engines. Selcuk Bayraktar had also mentioned that they were looking in to using 1000HP class PT6A engines.

There is a protruding sensor at the back. Its position can be altered.
More importantly, this is a 900kg and 5m long missile. But if those wings can be strengthened to carry both a 221kg PT6-A-60 at 1050HP each, they can be made strong enough to carry 900kg on each inner pylon too. With the 2 x P&W PT6A engines’ 2100HP total power output, Akinci should be able to carry 2 of these missiles.

When you think of the amount of extra stand off strike power these missiles will give to Akinci, it is a logical choice to integrate them to the drone.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

If there is a will there is a way.

Please remember that 950kg outer, 400kg inner payload limit was set for an Akinci with 2 x 450HP Ukranian engines propelling it. At the moment it has 2 x 750HP P&W PT6A engines. And we don’t really know it’s true performance levels with those engines. Selcuk Bayraktar had also mentioned that they were looking in to using 1000HP class PT6A engines.

There is a protruding sensor at the back. Its position can be altered.
More importantly, this is a 900kg and 5m long missile. But if those wings can be strengthened to carry both a 221kg PT6-A-60 at 1050HP each, they can be made strong enough to carry 900kg on each inner pylon too. With the 2 x P&W PT6A engines’ 2100HP total power output, Akinci should be able to carry 2 of these missiles.

When you think of the amount of extra stand off strike power these missiles will give to Akinci, it is a logical choice to integrate them to the drone.

In what scenarios will be the IHA-300 used? A 500km range missile on a drone sounds absolutely great.

 

[boredaf]

In what scenarios will be the IHA-300 used? A 500km range missile on a drone sounds absolutely great.

Think of air defence installations, long range radars, munition/fuel depots or supply centres in general or buildings used by enemy command. Any static target that has a strategic importance to the enemy can be a great target for this. And I bet that range would become even longer if it was released from an F-16.

 

[Yasar_TR]

In what scenarios will be the IHA-300 used? A 500km range missile on a drone sounds absolutely great.

More consequentially one needs to ask where we can use Akinci in an aerial warfare scenario when we meet a like peer adversary.

If our airforce has not established an overall air superiority, then to push these drones in to battlefield would be like sending sheep to slaughter house.

Akinci is a sluggish, slow and big bird that has a large RCS. Its vulnerability was further emphasised in Mali when Algerian AD systems shot one down with ease. Also they are no match against fighter aircrafts.

The best way to utilise Akinci would be to take out enemy assets on the ground in deep enemy territory with stand-off munitions like IHA-300. Be it strategic command posts or AD systems. They could be used to destroy missile sites, armoured columns, ground airforce assets deep in enemy territory whilst not leaving our borders.

One more use that comes to mind that can be a possibility is:
Turkish MOD has introduced an a2a missile made from a trg122 with over 50km range.
Akıncı can fire these with a range of 500km as modified for air to air mode, to hit enemy aircrafts. Missiles’s guidance by third party radars become a key issue here. But a linked system can be used to manage that. (Who needs PL15s to knock down Rafale jets?)

 

[I_Love_F16]

I doubt that it will be the belly station, more like one of the stations right next to it. The problem is the landing gear and uav-300 is much longer than the bomb in this picture.

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You’re right.

 

[boredaf]

Turkish MOD has introduced an a2a missile made from a trg122 with over 50km range.

Wait, what? When did that happen?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Wait, what? When did that happen?

If I am not mistaken this is an AD missile for air to air use. It says “havadan havaya”
I think developed from 122mm rocket. Looks longer than standard trg122.

 

[Strong AI]

LGK-82 Firing Test

 

[Yasar_TR]

LGK-82 Firing Test

Great to see they can hit the target. But Akıncı will only be able to use this munition if it or a ground asset has a laser lock on the target. To do that and most importantly it has to be within firing range of 12 km. That means it will be taken out by enemy AD Systems well before it can target, if you haven’t established full air superiority.

For using it against terror positions within Turkey and northern Iraq and Syria it would be effective. How much our EW capability will open a corridor for it to operate without being knocked out is a subjective case discussion. May be against Iran and lesser tech ADs it may be used. But against modern ADs and airforces it is too cumbersome and vulnerable.
Stealthy Anka-3 and KE are the planes that can deliver these munitions with much more ease.

Without effective EW camouflaging it and it’s position, it is a sitting duck.

 

[Strong AI]

Great to see they can hit the target. But Akıncı will only be able to use this munition if it or a ground asset has a laser lock on the target. To do that and most importantly it has to be within firing range of 12 km. That means it will be taken out by enemy AD Systems well before it can target, if you haven’t established full air superiority.

For using it against terror positions within Turkey and northern Iraq and Syria it would be effective. How much our EW capability will open a corridor for it to operate without being knocked out is a subjective case discussion. May be against Iran and lesser tech ADs it may be used. But against modern ADs and airforces it is too cumbersome and vulnerable.
Stealthy Anka-3 and KE are the planes that can deliver these munitions with much more ease.

Without effective EW camouflaging it and it’s position, it is a sitting duck.

Yeah, but this test is not about AKINCI. That's why i posted it in this thread. AKINCI could already drop LGK-82 back in 2022.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yeah, but this test is not about AKINCI. That's why i posted it in this thread. AKINCI could already drop LGK-82 back in 2022.

Can you then enlighten us about what this test is in aid of?
Because I can’t see why this test has been done again.

LGK-81 and LGK-82 had already performed firing tests this year from Anka-3 and Aksungur as well as from Akinci (in 2022) previous to this test. What was so specific about this test?

TUSAŞ’s Aksungur UCAV performs tests with LGK-81 and LGK-82 | TURDEF

Turkish Aerospace’s twin-engine Aksungur UCAV conducted two laser-guided bomb tests using TEI’s PD-170 national engine and precision kits developed by ASELSAN.

turdef.com

ANKA III Drone Confirms its Versatility as Combat Platform with Successful Firing of LGK-82 Guided Munition

ANKA III Drone Confirms its Versatility as Combat Platform with Successful Firing of LGK-82 Guided Munition

armyrecognition.com

Turkish combat drone Akıncı undergoes 1st laser-guided firing test

Turkey’s landmark combat drone has undergone a successful firing test with a laser-guided missile, achieving yet another milestone in the integration...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Pokemonte13]

Can you then enlighten us about what this test is in aid of?
Because I can’t see why this test has been done again.

LGK-81 and LGK-82 had already performed firing tests this year from Anka-3 and Aksungur as well as from Akinci (in 2022) previous to this test. What was so specific about this test?

TUSAŞ’s Aksungur UCAV performs tests with LGK-81 and LGK-82 | TURDEF

Turkish Aerospace’s twin-engine Aksungur UCAV conducted two laser-guided bomb tests using TEI’s PD-170 national engine and precision kits developed by ASELSAN.

turdef.com

ANKA III Drone Confirms its Versatility as Combat Platform with Successful Firing of LGK-82 Guided Munition

ANKA III Drone Confirms its Versatility as Combat Platform with Successful Firing of LGK-82 Guided Munition

armyrecognition.com

Turkish combat drone Akıncı undergoes 1st laser-guided firing test

Turkey’s landmark combat drone has undergone a successful firing test with a laser-guided missile, achieving yet another milestone in the integration...

www.dailysabah.com

Maybe different environment or a different bomb to see how it performs under different characteristics

 

[Pokemonte13]

what are these for?

 

[Strong AI]

Can you then enlighten us about what this test is in aid of?
Because I can’t see why this test has been done again.

LGK-81 and LGK-82 had already performed firing tests this year from Anka-3 and Aksungur as well as from Akinci (in 2022) previous to this test. What was so specific about this test?

TUSAŞ’s Aksungur UCAV performs tests with LGK-81 and LGK-82 | TURDEF

Turkish Aerospace’s twin-engine Aksungur UCAV conducted two laser-guided bomb tests using TEI’s PD-170 national engine and precision kits developed by ASELSAN.

turdef.com

ANKA III Drone Confirms its Versatility as Combat Platform with Successful Firing of LGK-82 Guided Munition

ANKA III Drone Confirms its Versatility as Combat Platform with Successful Firing of LGK-82 Guided Munition

armyrecognition.com

Turkish combat drone Akıncı undergoes 1st laser-guided firing test

Turkey’s landmark combat drone has undergone a successful firing test with a laser-guided missile, achieving yet another milestone in the integration...

www.dailysabah.com

Why so aggressive?
ANKA-3 and AKSUNGUR droped LGK first time, so it were weapon qualification/integration tests for those platforms (more like platform related, don't know to call it that way).
AKINCI droped it already in 2022, now seems like they are testing the LGK, which makes it not AKINCI related.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Why so aggressive?
ANKA-3 and AKSUNGUR droped LGK first time, so it were weapon qualification/integration tests for those platforms (more like platform related, don't know to call it that way).
AKINCI droped it already in 2022, now seems like they are testing the LGK, which makes it not AKINCI related.

Not intentional! You may have perceived it as aggressive. But it wasn’t my intention.
Going back to my question; Your explanation still hasn’t clarified the questions in my mind. Having tested it in 2022, why did they feel the need to test it again?
Has something changed with the munition? Or has the Akinci started to use different targeting systems? etc etc?

 

[Strong AI]

Not intentional! You may have perceived it as aggressive. But it wasn’t my intention.
Going back to my question; Your explanation still hasn’t clarified the questions in my mind. Having tested it in 2022, why did they feel the need to test it again?
Has something changed with the munition? Or has the Akinci started to use different targeting systems? etc etc?

This is what i mean with some examples. Look how the accuracy of those munitions improved over time. So for me these are only munition tests.

Kuzgun-SS, first video almost miss, second video bull's eye.

Now LGK-82, again first video almost miss, second video bull's eye.

 

[Agha Sher]

This is what i mean with some examples. Look how the accuracy of those munitions improved over time. So for me these are only munition tests.

Kuzgun-SS, first video almost miss, second video bull's eye.

Now LGK-82, again first video almost miss, second video bull's eye.

Understanding how CEP is calculated, it is very difficult to draw a conclusion based on your examples. Almost misses are also a hit - hitting the surface area designated is a hit - and it could just be chance that you hit right in the middle or a bit away from the middle.

 

[Strong AI]

Understanding how CEP is calculated, it is very difficult to draw a conclusion based on your examples. Almost misses are also a hit - hitting the surface area designated is a hit - and it could just be chance that you hit right in the middle or a bit away from the middle.

So is it just coincidence that every new munition test is more accurate than the previous older test? Is it only a CEP thing?