TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Yasar_TR]

I know that there is a range limitation, but for Shaheds specifically, it wouldn’t matter. I don’t think that we can shoot Shaheds 100 of Km away anyway.

What makes you think we can’t shoot Shaheeds at 100km distance? The operational envelope of Eren states, 100+ km engagement range.
The turbojet engine that propels it is supposed to give it fairly high speed. It can sustain this speed for 15+ minutes. At 600km/hr speed that means 150+ km range. At 400km/hr it means 100km range.

Shaheed drones travel at 180km/hr. Eren could easily run after it and catch it up. But in most cases it will probably go for it head on, which will increase the engagement range.

 

[Tornadoss]

What makes you think we can’t shoot Shaheeds at 100km distance? The operational envelope of Eren states, 100+ km engagement range.
The turbojet engine that propels it is supposed to give it fairly high speed. It can sustain this speed for 15+ minutes. At 600km/hr speed that means 150+ km range. At 400km/hr it means 100km range.

Shaheed drones travel at 180km/hr. Eren could easily run after it and catch it up. But in most cases it will probably go for it head on, which will increase the engagement range.

Wouldn't you need a visual confirmation to shot it down?

 

[I_Love_F16]

What makes you think we can’t shoot Shaheeds at 100km distance? The operational envelope of Eren states, 100+ km engagement range.
The turbojet engine that propels it is supposed to give it fairly high speed. It can sustain this speed for 15+ minutes. At 600km/hr speed that means 150+ km range. At 400km/hr it means 100km range.

Shaheed drones travel at 180km/hr. Eren could easily run after it and catch it up. But in most cases it will probably go for it head on, which will increase the engagement range.

Wouldn’t it be hard to lock it and shoot it at such a distance ? Knowing it’s size and it’s relatively lower speed ?

 

[boredaf]

Knowing it’s size and it’s relatively lower speed ?

Eren is specifically advertised against low speed aerial targets, why would the target's slow speed be a problem when it is designed against it?

Edit: It also has a imaging infrared seeker, you don't need to lock onto anything and Eren is capable of detecting, tracking and engaging targets according to Aselsan, so, 100 km engagement of something like a Shahed isn't that far fetched.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Wouldn’t it be hard to lock it and shoot it at such a distance ? Knowing it’s size and it’s relatively lower speed ?

No not really. It has an IIR seeker. Optically it will track and recognise its target. It will lock on to the IR shape of the target.

How an IIR Seeker Functions:

Thermal Imaging (Focal Plane Array): Modern IIR seekers use a grid of sensors (focal plane array) that detect thermal radiation


Passive Detection: They do not emit energy (unlike radar), making them "passive," meaning the target often cannot detect it is being tracked.

Lock-on and Tracking: Before launch, the seeker "locks" onto a specific thermal shape. During flight, the guidance system continuously analyzes the image to keep the target centered.

Distinguishing from Decoys: Due to high-resolution imaging, IIR systems can distinguish between an aircraft's engine heat and decoy flares, making them significantly harder to deceive than older infrared technologies.

Such high-precision munition systems typically utilize a combination of advanced optical and thermal methods to achieve a "lock".

 

[begturan]

Bayraktar Akinci achieves first air-to-air kill with EREN loitering munition - Türkiye Today

Bayraktar Akinci UCAV destroys Shahed-type target drone using EREN loitering munition in first air-to-air kill

www.turkiyetoday.com

Last month Baykar and Roketsan carried out a test firing of a missile named Eren.
This is a very important turning point in slower UCAVs being used in air to air and air to ground combat from stand off distances and a game changer against kamikaze type drones as well as any low flying slow subsonic air breathing platforms with it’s indigenous jet engine.

Eren has shown that it has high precision. With over 15 minutes flight and more than 100km range it can be used against any moving or stationary armoured or non armoured ground targets as well as low flying UAVs including kamikaze drones. Although a price has not been set, it is specifically designed to be economically used against cheap drones as well as more expensive aircrafts.

Akinci finally found it’s ideal stand off attack missile that it can carry in large numbers.

We look forward to it being delivered to TSK in sizeable quantities soon as well as large export numbers of TB3 and Akinci UCAVs.

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Why haven't we seen any Gökdoğan or Bozdoğan missile launches from the Akıncı drone to date? Will the Akıncı only be equipped with the Eren air-to-air missile? If so, why was an AESA radar integrated?

 

[Trakya_forever]

Roketsan Eren is a munition like Swiss pocket knife.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Why haven't we seen any Gökdoğan or Bozdoğa missile launches from the Akıncı drone to date? Will the Akıncı only be equipped with the Eren air-to-air missile? If so, why was an AESA radar integrated?

Bozdogan is for WVR engagements. Can you see Akinci getting in to a dogfight with a manned jet fighter? Even KE is not yet ready for Bozdogan.
Gokdogan is an expensive BVR a2a missile. Best performance is achieved when it is fired from a high speed high altitude jet fighter. Also after firing it needs to leave the area quickly. Akıncı is too slow and bulky to be able to do either. It is a waste of resources to use these missiles’s on Akinci. KE is the right platform for Gokdogan.

Akıncı can fire TRG-300ER and TRG-230 as well as KGK series bombs from stand off distances to take out enemy’s ground assets. To fire these the Aesa radar will be invaluable for target acquisition. It can also be used as a munition mule, especially in airspaces controlled by us.
Eren is also an ideal stand off munition it can use more effectively with an Aesa radar, but not the only one.

Regarding @Trakya_forever ’s above comment;
Eren can dive in to a tank’s turret top where the armour is weakest and take it out. So not just to hunt kamikaze drones. It can be the stand off version of MAM-L munition.

 

[boredaf]

Eren can dive in to a tank’s turret top where the armour is weakest and take it out. So not just to hunt kamikaze drones. It can be the stand off version of MAM-L munition.

Not just tanks, it would also be a great asset for counter-battery fire against enemy artillery. Even if they shoot and scoot, they are not getting out of that range if a TB2 with Eren is loitering at a safe distance behind the front line.

And I think it could be an invaluable asset for USVs. You can make a tube or canister launcher with, for example 10 Erens and put them on an USV while also sending one out with Çakır or Atmaca. Suddenly, you have a distributed threat against enemy ships, one USV carrying out a swarm attack, while the other is trying to land a killing blow. All from 80 to 150 km away perhaps. And if you happen upon an enemy helicopter or drone on the way, all the better for you.

 

[Strong AI]

@TR_123456 @boredaf imo the biggest deterence will be if we can detect, saturate and sink every kind of ship by targeting from our mainland.
Because imo the only way to successfully invade Türkiye would be by sea.
That's why ASBM versions of TAYFUN/CENK are so important for us.