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As he also said that this is a hypersonic weapon; one of the prerequisites of hypersonic missiles is the fact that they manoeuvre during their midcourse flight making it difficult for exo atmospheric and similar interceptors to hit them.
It isn't. I think he's just playing on the audience and the "hypersonic" buzzword. Majority of laymen don't know what an HGV or terminal course correction is, they only think that the weapon is so fast that it cannot be intercepted.

All MRBMs (+1000km range) reach hypersonic speeds by their nature and nearly all of them go twice as fast. Being hypersonic doesn't mean anything. İkinci knows this, but his audience doesn't.
 

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I don’t usually like guesswork. Especially after Roketsan MD Murat İkinci mentioning this missile to fly at hypersonic speeds and hitting it’s target at or above 5Mach speed.

As he also said that this is a hypersonic weapon; one of the prerequisites of hypersonic missiles is the fact that they manoeuvre during their midcourse flight making it difficult for exo atmospheric and similar interceptors to hit them.

That means it will deviate from a straight line eating away from it‘s otherwise total range.

If it were following a purely ballistic trajectory, I could guess within a tolerance, it’s terminal speed. I can tell you that it would be around just above Mach 1.

But it is going to hit the target at 5mach. That means it has to carry fuel to be used at terminal phase. That also means it is not going to use all it’s fuel to go further.
So Tayfun’s range is only known by the designers. We will be told when they test it.

This missile will be a real force multiplier weapon. Forget how far it can go. It is a 7200kg 10m long 0.938m diameter monster missile. It will definitely go more than 1000km. But if they can achieve the precision they are aiming for and really do what we have been told it will do, it is going to be a game changer through and through.
Hypersonic speed still feels vague for me

Is it hypersonic at midcourse when it adjusts its trajectory to be quasi-ballistic? This is not uncommon and doesn't always mean the missile is hypersonic at terminal stage

Is it hypersonic at not only midcourse but also terminal stage? You need either high hypersonic midcourse speed (>Mach 10) or some sort of secondary ignition (See YJ-20 and Fatah-1/2)

Judging by Tayfun Block 4's size, I think it comfortably steps into the MRBM realm at least on the lower half
 

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Hypersonic used to mean hypersonic cruise missile or glide vehicle, not ballistic because ballistics were indeed hypersonic in some sense. İt's sustained maneuverable hypersonic air breathing missiles and hybrids that became a big deal few years back. İt could be that the warhead can be air breathing and maneuver in terminal stage in Cenk etc
 

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It isn't. I think he's just playing on the audience and the "hypersonic" buzzword. Majority of laymen don't know what an HGV or terminal course correction is, they only think that the weapon is so fast that it cannot be intercepted.

All MRBMs (+1000km range) reach hypersonic speeds by their nature and nearly all of them go twice as fast. Being hypersonic doesn't mean anything. İkinci knows this, but his audience doesn't.Tafyun block 4 being able to maneuver and hit the target at hypersonic speeds that is definetly not something all MRBMs can do.

Murat ikinci specifically addressed this claim: "All ballistic missiles can reach speeds over 5 Mach. What is important here is going over 5 Mach during the course and striking the target over 5 Mach. When we look from this perspective Tayfun block 4 is a hypersonic ballistic missile"
 

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If it has a second pulse for terminal hypersonic velocity, think about the possibilities when you integrate terminal guidance. Probably one shot and one kill for ships.
 

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It isn't. I think he's just playing on the audience and the "hypersonic" buzzword. Majority of laymen don't know what an HGV or terminal course correction is, they only think that the weapon is so fast that it cannot be intercepted.

All MRBMs (+1000km range) reach hypersonic speeds by their nature and nearly all of them go twice as fast. Being hypersonic doesn't mean anything. İkinci knows this, but his audience doesn't.
Bro, Murat İkinci clearly specified this as a “hypersonic “ missile.
It is classified as a manoeuvrable missile.
I know very well that even missiles like Bora may be bordering hypersonic speeds during mid flight. But Tayfun is much faster and Block-4 is supposed to manoeuvre. You do not unveil a missile as “hypersonic” if it doesn’t conform to the hypersonic missile parameters.

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Technically, the classification of TAYFUN Block 4 as a hypersonic ballistic missile is notable. Conventional ballistic missiles reach hypersonic speeds during their midcourse phase. However, what distinguishes advanced hypersonic systems is sustained high-speed maneuverability, especially during terminal descent. Turkish defense analysts suggest that Block 4 may feature a refined solid-fuel propulsion system delivering higher thrust-to-weight efficiency and enabling a depressed trajectory profile. This trajectory reduces detection windows and compresses adversary reaction times.

unquote.


 

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In all honesty, looking at what Israel got US doing for itself and how they bombed Iran together, we need not advertise too much about our ballistic missile capabilities. A lot of it should be done under wraps.
But unfortunately anything under wraps is not good political propaganda material.
 

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In all honesty, looking at what Israel got US doing for itself and how they bombed Iran together, we need not advertise too much about our ballistic missile capabilities. A lot of it should be done under wraps.
But unfortunately anything under wraps is not good political propaganda material.
Not really sharing any real critical data.
 

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In all honesty, looking at what Israel got US doing for itself and how they bombed Iran together, we need not advertise too much about our ballistic missile capabilities. A lot of it should be done under wraps.
But unfortunately anything under wraps is not good political propaganda material.
how much secrecy can you realistically expect when satellites can immediately pick up the exhaust plume and track the missile's speed and trajectory during tests? i agree that we should not boast them much as we can't really sell them and they're strategic weapons but keeping them completely secret might be unrealistic.
 

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In all honesty, looking at what Israel got US doing for itself and how they bombed Iran together, we need not advertise too much about our ballistic missile capabilities. A lot of it should be done under wraps.
But unfortunately anything under wraps is not good political propaganda material.
We can just assume, that is the tip of the iceberg, to make propaganda for own people. To let the rivals think and speculate, what can be under the tip of iceberg. But you can be sure. There is something. How much? We don’t know.
It is a mix of deterrence (propaganda) and leaving the enemy in unclear.
 

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I hope ROKETSAN would work on cluster warheads, albeit in a low percentage, the Iranian ones seem to be most effective against Israeli AD.
I wonder where Iran got that technology know-how from.
 

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In all honesty, looking at what Israel got US doing for itself and how they bombed Iran together, we need not advertise too much about our ballistic missile capabilities. A lot of it should be done under wraps.
But unfortunately anything under wraps is not good political propaganda material.
I assume CIA and MOSSAD have more information than our so called defence experts.
 

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You know i get that testing is important but what are they testing?
New software ,different environment other things?


What they exactly testing i do not now. Looks like they are testing accuracy, look to the next video. This was not long ago, it had a little bit much error lgk-82. So every time they are updating it.

 

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CENK MRBM ?
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