TR Naval Programs

[Tornadoss]

I am not sure how sustainable an Aircraft Carrier Group is or doable with the current economy.

 

[Zafer]

I am not sure how sustainable an Aircraft Carrier Group is or doable with the current economy.

When the economy needed help governments used to bolster the construction sector as it is the largest and most involved sector that moves the whole economy. Looking at how the defense sector has now hit around 80% domestic rating investing in a carrier group maybe a boon for the economy just like how the US relies on defense sector to boost their economy. We only lack engines to get going as the last major ingredient that needs brewing.

 

[Tornadoss]

When the economy needed help governments used to bolster the construction sector as it is the largest and most involved sector that moves the whole economy. Looking at how the defense sector has now hit around 80% domestic rating investing in a carrier group maybe a boon for the economy just like how the US relies on defense sector to boost their economy. We only lack engines to get going as the last major ingredient that needs brewing.

US defence export for 2020 is 103 Billion $ while total export is 2.1 Trillion $ so it's around5% of all exports. I am not sure it's the driving factor for the US. And I am not sure how a carrier group would be a boon.

 

[Zafer]

US defence export for 2020 is 103 Billion $ while total export is 2.1 Trillion $ so it's around5% of all exports. I am not sure it's the driving factor for the US. And I am not sure how a carrier group would be a boon.

It is not only exports that drives the economy, domestic consumption does too. Now that the money stays in the country given that the domestic input into the defense sector is at around 80% paying for equipment made by the national industry will help the economy move. It would be even more effective if we made engines locally too.

 

[Anmdt]

Private shipyards can do anything they want. They can offer any design to any country. State projects are a different story. There won't be any new heavy frigate project anytime soon be it TF-4500 or TF-100 and this is not speculation. This is concrete info I have.

And concrete information i have tells otherwise.
Who is your source? Kindly tell me the adress in PM if you are interested in enlightening me.

 

[Anmdt]

There is no TF-100 project it is shelved. Turkish naval industry can't launch another new project. İ class frigate, TF-2000 destroyer, Reis class submarine, STM-500 mini-submarine, Türk class FAC, Ukrain Milgem, Pakistan Milgem the list goes on and on. We are overloaded with projects don't expect anything.

This post says it is shelved.

Private shipyards can do anything they want. They can offer any design to any country. State projects are a different story. There won't be any new heavy frigate project anytime soon be it TF-4500 or TF-100 and this is not speculation. This is concrete info I have.

This post says it is not coming anytime soon (whatever soon here means).

The commissioning of heavy frigates is planned for after 2030.

This post says it is planned after 2030. Which is what i rumored earlier to keep a sustainable navy after retirement of Barbaros Class. 2 months ago.

 

[fq5n9v]

This post says it is planned after 2030. Which is what i rumored earlier to keep a sustainable navy after retirement of Barbaros Class. 2 months ago.

So they will replace Barbaros class ships with medium weight frigates and they're not planning to increase the number of frigates. Don't we need to increase both the number of ships and capabilities of ships together for a future aircraft carrier group while also having enough ships for the protection of Vatan and Mavi Vatan?

As you can tell I'm not well informed and my questions are not rhetorical .

 

[CAN_TR]

I am not sure how sustainable an Aircraft Carrier Group is or doable with the current economy.

Economic question is one thing but before building an Airstrike Carrier Group we need a Naval base outside of the Mediterranean, some people here also should understand that Turkey has no direct access to the blue waters, we are dependent on the Suez Canal and Gibraltar strait.

I also would love to see the Turkish Navy with such capabilities but for that we need military infrastructure in other countries.

 

[Anmdt]

So they will replace Barbaros class ships with medium weight frigates and they're not planning to increase the number of frigates. Don't we need to increase both the number of ships and capabilities of ships together for a future aircraft carrier group while also having enough ships for the protection of Vatan and Mavi Vatan?

As you can tell I'm not well informed and my questions are not rhetorical .

I don't value the fleet on the numbers basis. In terms of capability there will be a boost with I-Class. With TF-2000 and multi purpose frigate, the capability gain will be enormous compared to what we have got with Gabya and Barbaros Class.

+ We shouldn't forget AKDGs and possible upgrade of Ada Class and introduction of USVs.

 

[TheInsider]

This post says it is shelved.


This post says it is not coming anytime soon (whatever soon here means).


This post says it is planned after 2030. Which is what i rumored earlier to keep a sustainable navy after retirement of Barbaros Class. 2 months ago.

All of them mean the same thing. Shelved means it is not a priority project no or very few resources are allocated to the TF-100 effort. It is in cryo sleep mode until its turn comes which won't happen before 2030. The navy and SSB don't have the budget to run all those projects. All of the resources will be directed to the second third and fourth ships of the İ class and the first ship of TF-2000. There won't be an active TF-4500 or TF-100 project for the Turkish navy before 2030. This doesn't mean low-profile studies will cease. TF-X project goes back to 2012. TF-4500 design is owned by a private company so it can be marketed for another country if that company is willing to build and test the TF-4500 design and deliver it as a mature product to the customer and take the risks. TF-100 is owned by SSB.

 

[Anmdt]

All of them mean the same thing. Shelved means it is not a priority project no or very few resources are allocated to the TF-100 effort. It is in cryo sleep mode until its turn comes which won't happen before 2030. The navy and SSB don't have the budget to run all those projects. All of the resources will be directed to the second third and fourth ships of the İ class and the first ship of TF-2000. There won't be an active TF-4500 or TF-100 project for the Turkish navy before 2030. This doesn't mean low-profile studies will cease. TF-X project goes back to 2012. TF-4500 design is owned by a private company so it can be marketed for another country if that company is willing to build and test the TF-4500 design and deliver it as a mature product to the customer and take the risks. TF-100 is owned by SSB.

I wrote a long post correcting all the false informations you have fed, but then i have deleted for two reasons;

- i have no time for this.
- i have no intention to feed you by valuable and sensitive information so that you can recycle those later as insider informations.

For people it is up to them to take whosever words granted.

If someone interested they may mention or quote me and i will tell, with pleasure, the true design procedures within the TN and how designs are planned ahead and realized in which stages. As well as how these designs are known by private companies that hire ex-officers from Navy and who owns the design rights in which kind of practices.

 

[Saithan]

I think what matters to us are that the projects are continuing and that we can expect and trust that construction begins without delay.

I just wish TCG would be beefed up as well.

 

[TheInsider]

I wrote a long post correcting all the false informations you have fed, but then i have deleted for two reasons;

- i have no time for this.
- i have no intention to feed you by valuable and sensitive information so that you can recycle those later as insider informations.

For people it is up to them to take whosever words granted.

If someone interested they may mention or quote me and i will tell, with pleasure, the true design procedures within the TN and how designs are planned ahead and realized in which stages. As well as how these designs are known by private companies that hire ex-officers from Navy and who owns the design rights in which kind of practices.

I don't care. I have my own sources. Time will tell whether I'm right or you are right. There won't be an active heavy frigate project for the foreseeable future. I know it for sure. We are not fucking China.

Look these projects are currently active and running
İ class
TF-2000
Reis class submarine
Hisar Class offshore patrol vessel based on Ada class
Turk class FAC
Midget submarine
USV projects
Fleet replenishment and support ship DİMDEG
Logistic support ship
TCG Anadolu LHD
Barbaros class frigate mid-life upgrade
LST project
Preveze class submarine mid-life upgrade.

 

[Anmdt]

I don't care how butthurt you are. I have my own sources. Time will tell whether I'm right or you are right. There won't be an active heavy frigate project for the foreseeable future. I know it for sure. We are not fucking China.

Look these projects are currently active and running
İ class
TF-2000
Reis class submarine
Hisar Class offshore patrol vessel based on Ada class
Turk class FAC
Midget submarine
USV projects
Fleet replenishment and support ship DİMDEG
Logistic support ship
TCG Anadolu LHD
Barbaros class frigate mid-life upgrade
LST project
Preveze class submarine mid-life upgrade.

Your language shows who feels the hurt.
Just stop while not having any sources, claiming to have insider sources. None of the things you say at least about navy and naval programs are not legit or insider information. I can't deal with correcting you everytime you read something in twitter, Sadfor, Trmilitary and believe it and then come and post it in here.

 

[TheInsider]

Ok. I left you to wait for your nonexistent heavy frigate project.

 

[Test7]

 

[Anmdt]

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Port acceptance test of electronics has started thus they have removed the cover of the electronics.
Long way to go through the sea trials, the port acceptance may not finalize within January too.

 

[Yasar_TR]

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That ship looks good. It is going to be a big asset for TN.
But I still insist on it having more defensive and offensive weapons on board to make it more like a destroyer class warship. I would like to see multiple positions for ULAQ class unmanned missile and torpedo boats.
Look at Cavour’s VLS banks and defensive and offensive weapons:

 

[Anmdt]

That ship looks good. It is going to be a big asset for TN.
But I still insist on it having more defensive and offensive weapons on board to make it more like a destroyer class warship. I would like to see multiple positions for ULAQ class unmanned missile and torpedo boats.
Look at Cavour’s VLS banks and defensive and offensive weapons:
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In addition to Phalanx, it will receive Nazar (2 or 3 to be decided) and CIWS missile (RAM-like, 1 unit 21 cell). These will form a decent self-protection, in fact something state of art and one of the best in her class. These will happen in short term.

VLS part is unclear, but could be applicable with cold-launch systems not to be expected anytime soon, may not happen at all.

To me, the biggest downgrade was removing fast forty in favor of Stop 25mm. It used to have 2 fast forty and 3 Stop, now it has 5 Stop RCWS. I know the logic behind this, and it adds up but still the decks of Stop made to handle fast forty, so maybe in medium term we can see that Aselsan's multi-purpose 35mm gun on there.

For the offensive part it depends on the aerial wing division that navy will decide to form for this vessel.

 

[Anmdt]

Istanbul Frigate (F-515) has been floated to the pier, from the drydock in Istanbul Shipyard Command (Pendik Naval Shipyard) after installation of shafts (and associated parts), propeller and possibly some parts of the propulsion system.

Fitting out will continue at the pier, she will visit dock once more for installation of the sonar and rest of the propulsion system.

280, PNS Babur soon will be towed into the drydock to commence installation of the propulsion system.