TR Naval Programs

[CAN_TR]

The Turkish Navy already streched it's lines, as we know the Mediterranean is heating up now with the Russia-Ukraine incidents we might see even further increasing Russian Naval presence in the Black Sea which already increased it's fleet in order to "balance" those threats such cost-effective solutions to increase the combat fleet are welcome.

Those STM-500 would do a great job in all our seas especially in the Aegean and Black Sea, modern submarines the size of Type-214 for example are already hard to detect, such mini submarines are even harder to due less noise and smaller magnetic signature which makes it excellent for sneaking behind enemy lines ideal for sabotage/infiltration missions of Special Forces, gathering Intelligence and i hope with mine laying capabilities.

Looks like 2022 & 2023 are the years of the Navy.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488117967929937920

A mini submarine is going to be a pain to detect. Not to mention its cost effective especially in local waters.

A weapon does not have to have to be expensive and complex to be top notch.

With technology you can get an effective weapon that is in a smaller package.

 

[Anmdt]

Doesn't TCG Anadolu have AESA based EW?

It has, but there is always a "better" one.

 

[Hexciter]

The construction of the prototype ship in the Turkish Type (TTHB) project is expected to start in 2022 and be completed in 30 months.

The ship is expected to be equipped with local sensors (Aselsan 3D search and fire control radars, etc.) and weapons (MKE 76mm cannon, Roketsan Levent YHSS, Atmaca missile, etc.)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488523938753912833

 

[Hexciter]

Turkey to start construction of Fast Attack Craft 55 prototype​

TUESDAY, 01 FEBRUARY 2022

According to information published by Daily Sabah on Jan 31, 2022, Turkey will start the construction of a prototype ship within the scope of the Turkish-type assault boat project.

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Fast Attack Craft 55 (Picture source: Sitta)

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FAC55 is a vessel designed to perform sea warfare and patrol duties on the open seas, under heavy sea and weather conditions, equipped with gas turbine propulsion system, conforming naval norms/standards and classification rules.
With its capabilities, the FAC-55’s innovative design, goes one step further than similar platforms in the World, especially with its superior surface warfare effectiveness.
Reaching speeds beyond 55 knots on the sea, the displacement weight of this new type of fast attack craft is approximately 535 tonnes.

Turkey to start construction of Fast Attack Craft 55 prototype

According to information published by Daily Sabah on Janvier 31, 2022, Turkey will start the construction of a prototype ship within the scope of the Turki

www.navyrecognition.com

 

[Test7]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488565017930838019

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488565017930838019

Boat drill is the drill made before each cruise on cruise ships, jumped to my mind from past.

 

[Saithan]

How much does tb3 have to slow down to be able to stop without arrest systems on Anadolu or Trakya ?

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488795404321890304

STM and Gürbag teaming up to develop several products.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488795404321890304

STM and Gürbag teaming up to develop several products.

- Hydrogen Energy and Propulsion Solutions
- Stabilized Pan-Tilt
- Laser Communication Solutions

Güleryüz said, "Within the scope of our cooperation, we plan to have at least one solution in the field by the end of this year."

 

[Anmdt]

- Hydrogen Energy and Propulsion Solutions
- Stabilized Pan-Tilt
- Laser Communication Solutions

Güleryüz said, "Within the scope of our cooperation, we plan to have at least one solution in the field by the end of this year."

Hydrogen and alternative propulsion duty was given to another rather "sound" company years ago and they are already working on it.
I wonder why STM steps in this to double do the job which is already allocated by Turkish Navy to one company. This also recently happened in another project which STM, knowing that Turkish Navy has selected a partner company, allocated a job to another company and double-doing it.

Afterall who is Gürbağ, what is their proficiency in hydrogen energy, PEM, or naval propulsion? This is a newly established company,as a spin-off of a building construction company, building constructors are hopping into the defense industry fields in last years and they massacre things with their "connections".

https://www.linkedin.com/company/gurbagsavunma

I am sorry but founded in 2020, leased their several products in 2022, and now they are aiming for hydrogen based and other alternative propulsion systems for naval platforms? This doesn't sound good.

The parent company;

Gürbağ Group

GÜRBAĞ GRUP Türkiye’nin önde gelen sağlam yapılı, süratle gelişen ve büyüyen tecrübeli, güçlü finansal yapıya sahip firmalarından biri olarak 1992 yılından bu yana, yetişmiş deneyimli teknik kadrosu makine ve ekipmanları ile yurtiçi ve yurtdışında birçok büyük projeye imza atmıştır.

www.gurbag.com

 

[Zafer]

Hydrogen and alternative propulsion duty was given to another rather "sound" company years ago and they are already working on it.
I wonder why STM steps in this to double do the job which is already allocated by Turkish Navy to one company. This also recently happened in another project which STM, knowing that Turkish Navy has selected a partner company, allocated a job to another company and double-doing it.

Afterall who is Gürbağ, what is their proficiency in hydrogen energy, PEM, or naval propulsion? This is a newly established company,as a spin-off of a building construction company, building constructors are hopping into the defense industry fields in last years and they massacre things with their "connections".

https://www.linkedin.com/company/gurbagsavunma

I am sorry but founded in 2020, leased their several products in 2022, and now they are aiming for hydrogen based and other alternative propulsion systems for naval platforms? This doesn't sound good.

The parent company;

Gürbağ Group

GÜRBAĞ GRUP Türkiye’nin önde gelen sağlam yapılı, süratle gelişen ve büyüyen tecrübeli, güçlü finansal yapıya sahip firmalarından biri olarak 1992 yılından bu yana, yetişmiş deneyimli teknik kadrosu makine ve ekipmanları ile yurtiçi ve yurtdışında birçok büyük projeye imza atmıştır.

www.gurbag.com

If they employ the right minds with brilliant ideas why shouldn't a startup make a difference?

 

[Anmdt]

If they employ the right minds with brilliant ideas why shouldn't a startup make a difference?

This is not a start up, founded by enthusiast.
This a company which specializes in construction, and decides to give a try for defense industry purely for monetary gain.
"If they employ right minds", it doesn't work that if the goal is big. This is not the first,i have ranted because many other construction companies have seen the money in defense industry, hopping in and hiring 10-15 employer and then using their connections to gain the projects.
Things are getting dirty day by day and this started to cause delays in the projects.

 

[Zafer]

This is not a start up, founded by enthusiast.
This a company which specializes in construction, and decides to give a try for defense industry purely for monetary gain.
"If they employ right minds", it doesn't work that if the goal is big. This is not the first,i have ranted because many other construction companies have seen the money in defense industry, hopping in and hiring 10-15 employer and then using their connections to gain the projects.
Things are getting dirty day by day and this started to cause delays in the projects.

It does not matter who the founder is if they will make better products.
Competition can not be disallowed.
It is a good thing that Turkish industry is converting from a cheap, construction based economy towards a manufacturing and R&D economy. Too bad the incumbents are losing their comfort but this is the way it should be. They will have to bear with it.

 

[Zafer]

This is not a start up, founded by enthusiast.
This a company which specializes in construction, and decides to give a try for defense industry purely for monetary gain.
"If they employ right minds", it doesn't work that if the goal is big. This is not the first,i have ranted because many other construction companies have seen the money in defense industry, hopping in and hiring 10-15 employer and then using their connections to gain the projects.
Things are getting dirty day by day and this started to cause delays in the projects.

"Using connection to gain projects" if this is the case then you need the work on this rather than disallowing competition.

 

[Anmdt]

It does not matter who the founder is if they will make better products.
Competition can not be disallowed.
It is a good thing that Turkish industry is converting from a cheap, construction based economy towards a manufacturing and R&D economy. Too bad the incumbents are losing their comfort but this is the way it should be. They will have to bear with it.

"Using connection to gain projects" if this is the case then you need the work on this rather than disallowing competition.

First of all, this is no competition. Those companies do not even dare to compete since they lack the most basic certification (i will not detail these).

What is happening at the moment in a nutshell (separately from the projects we have talked today, this happens a lot recently):

A project have been assigned to a company in 2019-2020 with a budget.

Another company is magically "founded" after those projects have came to the light, and again magically gets a project with exactly same content from another state institution and re-does that.

In the end, two projects of the same content has been completed by two different state institutions, assigned to two different companies. This even happens for a simple product that diversification is not needed for securing the future orders. And yes, the latter institution is well aware of the earlier project yet they somehow decides to launch a new project with the exactly same content without any innovation/contribution.

I hope you get the core reason of my ranting, this is not a competition, this is corruption and number of these incidents are increasing in a surplus past-2020. Usually the companies who appears for a rip-off are not start-ups or companies with high-tech effort related past but construction companies/holdings. They could also acquire several start-ups to get a good start but they instead found a company within their holding. This is getting out of the control.

 

[Lool]

This is not a start up, founded by enthusiast.
This a company which specializes in construction, and decides to give a try for defense industry purely for monetary gain.
"If they employ right minds", it doesn't work that if the goal is big. This is not the first,i have ranted because many other construction companies have seen the money in defense industry, hopping in and hiring 10-15 employer and then using their connections to gain the projects.
Things are getting dirty day by day and this started to cause delays in the projects.

I agree with what you said
However, I would also like to point out that if we just gave the projects to the well-known companies like STM then there would be nearly no competition and one company will dominate the market. If Turkey wants its defence industry to flourish, be vaired, with tons of competitions and high quality production, then they need to give small companies, new branches, or even brand new companies a chance.

I believe the Turkish army is doing exactly that, they are taking the risk in order to filter the new good companies from the rest of the shit ones. Just like the example you mentioned, the Navy did give the new branch a chance to make a name for themselves and recieve state support but they failed and now STM took it instead. Yet, this is one example of a failed company, since there are many that succeed as Ismail Demir always states that the no. of defence companies actively participating in turkish arms industry and R&D are increasing

If Turkey didnt do that then it will end up like the US where companies like Lockheed Martin have complete monopoly over the market that even the army cant openly criticise them like with the F35 project


This is my two cents on the issue

 

[Zafer]

When they see a problem I am sure SSM will step in and iron out the kinks, weed out the weeds.
In the end our defense industry in in the flourishing phase and it is good to see that it is attracting more investment from private sector.

 

[Oryx]

Hunters Of The Deep - Turkey’s Small Submarines​

Hunters Of The Deep - Türkiye’s Small Submarines

www.oryxspioenkop.com

 

[Stuka]

I suspect that this might be related to the habit of the German Government to block sales.

TKMS also owns license of the HDW Type 214 Class Submarines for Turkish Navy named Reis-Class (Type 214TN)

"TKMS is trying (once more) to "quickly sell off" it's naval business, including facilities in four German locations, Kiel, Hamburg, Bremen and Emden."

HDW Class 214 Submarine

HDW Class 214 Submarine

www.thyssenkrupp-marinesystems.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1489923181586616324