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As we discussed in another section, ADA class with mk 48 VLS and 16 ESSM would be beast.
Regarding RAM that has just 2Mach speed, IMO they are less effective against supersonic missiles.
ESSM really lethal and fast, also Gökdeniz CIWS could stop supersonic threats.
Let's place an order of ESSM for ADA class, then we also would check our partnership if they refused.
 
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As we discussed in another section, ADA class with mk 48 VLS and 16 ESSM would be beast.
Regarding RAM that has just 2Mach speed, IMO they are less effective against supersonic missiles.
ESSM really lethal and fast, also Gökdeniz CIWS could stop supersonic threats.
Let's place an order of ESSM for ADA class, then we also would check our partnership if they refused.
I don't think your mk48 VLS concept would work tbh. The size and height of it would interfere with the firing-zone of the RAM. You would need to remove the RAM altogether as a consequence because there is no other place where you could put it.
 
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The RAMs could be removed and used for another ship such Fast Attach Craft project. So having widen space , you could put ESSM and Gökdeniz combination.
 
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The RAMs could be removed and used for another ship such Fast Attach Craft project. So having widen space , you could put ESSM and Gökdeniz combination.
Gökdeniz firing-zone would also be obstructed. It wouldn't be able to depress its guns without shooting at the VLS.
 
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Gökdeniz firing-zone would also be obstructed. It wouldn't be able to depress its guns without shooting at the VLS.
No idea. Engineers need to calculate space. Without Gökdeniz and RAM , 16 ESSMs will defense a corvette very well.
 
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The command and control systems of our 3rd submarine Murat Reis, which will be built within the scope of our New Type Submarine Project, are as in our first 2 submarines built by HAVELSAN and handed over to Naval Forces Command.

Many of our companies take part in the New Type Submarine Project, in which we aim to bring the capability of submarine design, domestic production of equipment and command control systems software to our national companies.
 

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The command and control systems of our 3rd submarine Murat Reis, which will be built within the scope of our New Type Submarine Project, are as in our first 2 submarines built by HAVELSAN and handed over to Naval Forces Command.

Many of our companies take part in the New Type Submarine Project, in which we aim to bring the capability of submarine design, domestic production of equipment and command control systems software to our national companies.
Beat me to it by a moment 😆
 

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The command and control systems of our 3rd submarine Murat Reis, which will be built within the scope of our New Type Submarine Project, are as in our first 2 submarines built by HAVELSAN and handed over to Naval Forces Command.

Many of our companies take part in the New Type Submarine Project, in which we aim to bring the capability of submarine design, domestic production of equipment and command control systems software to our national companies.
Electronics of 3rd submarine is being delivered, we can assume mechanical parts of 5th submarine has delivered by Germany.
 

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Electronics of 3rd submarine is being delivered, we can assume mechanical parts of 5th submarine has delivered by Germany.
Would I be wrong in thinking that as these submarines’ production contract was in 2011 with HDW/MFI, all parts related to them were manufactured and even shipped to Golcuk. Because of the design fault of the subs the manufacturing process had to be postponed. But the parts were all shipped anyway.
 

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Would I be wrong in thinking that as these submarines’ production contract was in 2011 with HDW/MFI, all parts related to them were manufactured and even shipped to Golcuk. Because of the design fault of the subs the manufacturing process had to be postponed. But the parts were all shipped anyway.
I don't think all would have been delivered, It wouldn't make sense to receive all those critical components especially of AIP, and store them for 10 years. Neither Germans would ship all without seeing how does it go in the First sub.
It wasn't a design fault on the final product, but TN has requested heavy modifacitions (one was related to the design flaw found out in Greek and SK subs), and also to fit Turkish made systems and modify the ship according to their needs, have made project taking longer to skip into production.
 

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I don't think all would have been delivered, It wouldn't make sense to receive all those critical components especially of AIP, and store them for 10 years. Neither Germans would ship all without seeing how does it go in the First sub.
It wasn't a design fault on the final product, but TN has requested heavy modifacitions (one was related to the design flaw found out in Greek and SK subs), and also to fit Turkish made systems and modify the ship according to their needs, have made project taking longer to skip into production
The design flaw I was referring to was the fact that the first class214 sub built for Greek Navy had balance problems. As it was surfacing it was badly tilting at its side. This had to be addressed and corrected By adding weights etc. Our navy was not pleased with the interlm solution Germans came up with. My information was such that the Turkish engineers have come up with the idea of elongating the hull and hence moving the centre of gravity of the ship which sorted the problem out for our ships.

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Originally the class was to be called CERBE, but in 2014 significant design modifications were made to meet TNF requirements and to cater for some technical problems with the HDW design. The former commander of TNF, Adm. Bülent Bostanoglu, is on record as stating that Turkish engineers found five major design flaws and developed solutions for them. The resulting submarine, longer and heavier than CERBE, was renamed the REIS-class. The latest revision in the overall length makes the current submarines 2.05m longer than the original CERBE design. MONCh understands that surface displacement is around 1,850t and submerged displacement likely to be 2,040-2,050.

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MKEK started developing the domestic 76mm ball gun this year. Likewise, ASELSAN and ROKETSAN cooperate for the National Vertical Missile Launching System MDAS
Allahım... geliştirmek ve MKEK kelimeleri aynı cümlede geçince başımdan aşşağıya kaynar su dökülmüş gibi oluyor.

English translation: I don't have much faith in MKEK because of their previous projects.
 

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Some twitter people is speaking about embargo on Mk41 to be delivered for I-Class, there is nothing such as of now.
Officials ,a month or so ago, have told about there wasn't any embargoes on naval programs (amid claims of some twitter accounts hinting embargoes on submarine and surface vessel programs)
Also, i believe SSB would have spoken about that, the way they have hinted the embargoes on critical parts of missiles.
Those people should stop spreading rumors to look active,and look like insiders.
In response to the above I have news to the contrary. You are correct in saying that the VLS mk41 containers are being manufactured. In fact the order has been confirmed and being realised by BAE Systems, for the US, Australia, Japan, Netherlands, Norway and Turkey.
 
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The P-72 marine patrol aircraft belonging to the Turkish Navy was displayed equipped with 2 light torpedoes.
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