TR Naval Programs

[Osman]

@Anmdt

Will TN use Yavuz class till 2030s when the porduction of 10 OPVS will end? 6 burak + 4 yavuz will be replaced by 10 OPVs I think

 

[Pilatino]

Why don't we use integrated stealth mast guys do you have any idea?

 

[Anmdt]

@Anmdt

Will TN use Yavuz class till 2030s when the porduction of 10 OPVS will end? 6 burak + 4 yavuz will be replaced by 10 OPVs I think

Yavuz is going to replaced by I-Class and will be phased out from 2023/2024 on.
10/12 OPV is to fill the gap that is left from 4 remaining Ada-Class, and also place of 6 B-Class.

B-Class was long replaced by combination of Ada + YTKB on paper for the ASW duties, then B-Class was promoted to be an "OPV" even though it wasn't mentioned as such. Now, these "OPVs" are being replaced by 10/12 proper OPVs. 4 Ada-Class will be assigned to proper duties following the introduction

I would personally wait for SSIK that will be held two days later to hear more, or at least Q1 2023 to hear more about TN's expansion plans.

 

[dBSPL]

3000-ton submarine floating dock

ASFAT

ASFAT, 27 askerî fabrika ve 3 askerî tersanenin nitelikli ve alanında uzman işgücü ile 30 yılı aşkın inşa, modernizasyon, tamir, bakım ve idame tecrübesine sahiptir.

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Yutek shipbuilding shared a video of the 3000-ton submarine floating dock shooting from the sea. I could not share it because its twitter account in protected, but I took a screenshot from the video and shared it.

 

[Radonsider]

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ASFAT

ASFAT, 27 askerî fabrika ve 3 askerî tersanenin nitelikli ve alanında uzman işgücü ile 30 yılı aşkın inşa, modernizasyon, tamir, bakım ve idame tecrübesine sahiptir.

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[Hexciter]

Turkey's the first 'Reis Class Submarine' TCG PİRİREİS has started sea tests!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600060424891748352

 

[Yasar_TR]

Turkey's the first 'Reis Class Submarine' TCG PİRİREİS has started sea tests!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600060424891748352

Actually according to below message it is due to complete these tests before end of this year and be delivered officially to the Turkish Navy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590246397848141829

 

[Baris]

Honestly, I thought maybe it would be put into service before the end of the year with the TCG Anadolu LHD Ship, but if the Sea Cruising Tests have just started, it will be in the middle of 2023.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600063512713338881

 

[Anmdt]

Actually according to below message it is due to complete these tests before end of this year and be delivered officially to the Turkish Navy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590246397848141829

Not possible.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Not possible.

Unfortunately that seems to be the situation. Within less than a month, two different statements.
9th November 2022, expected to be delivered before end of year.
6th December 2022, most likely delivery in mid 2023.
There are 5 more subs to be delivered yet.
I only hope they commission those quicker.
Same goes for the 3 I-Class frigates still to be put on a production line.

 

[Anmdt]

Unfortunately that seems to be the situation. Within less than a month, two different statements.
9th November 2022, expected to be delivered before end of year.
6th December 2022, most likely delivery in mid 2023.
There are 5 more subs to be delivered yet.
I only hope they commission those quicker.
Same goes for the 3 I-Class frigates still to be put on a production line.

We should always keep in mind that first hull of each class is always the most troublesome one. Considering Reis class differs a lot from the base Type 214 design, we have more challenges ahead.

Another factor is how TN views the "delivery" term, it doesn't always refers to commissioning but the moment when the hull is began to be operated merely by submarine personnel without technicians and experts from the component manufacturers, sometimes we hear this as "partial acceptance". In these terms it was expected to be ready, to be operated only by submarine personnel by end of the December, however the date was between February and December due to some unexpected events.

Now, the June is optimistic date for the first hull. The final commissioning ceremony may even take place in September. But the second hull will progress faster than the first and may start trials within Q4 2023 and delivered in Q1 2024.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We should always keep in mind that first hull of each class is always the most troublesome one. Considering Reis class differs a lot from the base Type 214 design, we have more challenges ahead.

Another factor is how TN views the "delivery" term, it doesn't always refers to commissioning but the moment when the hull is began to be operated merely by submarine personnel without technicians and experts from the component manufacturers, sometimes we hear this as "partial acceptance". In these terms it was expected to be ready, to be operated only by submarine personnel by end of the December, however the date was between February and December due to some unexpected events.

Now, the June is optimistic date for the first hull. The final commissioning ceremony may even take place in September. But the second hull will progress faster than the first and may start trials within Q4 2023 and delivered in Q1 2024.

Commissioning, delivery, acceptance.
You know these are semantics at the end of the day.
If a platform is ready to be used as a fighting machine in my vocabulary that is delivered and commissioned to be ready for active service.
All other stages are irrelevant from the point of view of fighting. They are means to an end. There may be a period in which the ship may be ready to operate but still not fully accepted. (Like under guarantee of an appliance that you buy) . But you still can use it to it’s full potential.
Today we need as many capable sea platforms as we can muster under our belt. Greeks are playing with fire. Rhodes is filled with tanks and Armoured vehicles, and war games scenarios are being staged in situ, contrary to the treaty stipulations under which those islands were given to them. We need to act. A show of force is needed.
We are still dragging our feet with many platforms in our naval inventory.
Our air and naval superiority are being questioned. How long are we going to play the 3 monkeys?

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600174275973054464

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600156397856993280

We have waited a long time, many improvements have been made, many things have been tried for the first time, but we are finally nearing the end of Meltem-III.

What I am wondering now is what will be the next big program in the MPA field.

- Are we going to continue with a long-range narrow-body jet airliner, which has been in the planning for a very long time?
- Or will we focus on a unorthodox concept based on the interoperability of unmanned systems, for which there has been an increasing number of projects recently?

 

[Khagan1923]

We have waited a long time, many improvements have been made, many things have been tried for the first time, but we are finally nearing the end of Meltem-III.

What I am wondering now is what will be the next big program in the MPA field.

- Are we going to continue with a long-range narrow-body jet airliner, which has been in the planning for a very long time?
- Or will we focus on a unorthodox concept based on the interoperability of unmanned systems, for which there has been an increasing number of projects recently?

If I'm not mistaken Navy wants a LRMPA to be able to cover the East Med easier.
Seeing how the P-8 is impossible to be aquired by us the other sensible choice would be the Kawasaki P-1 which is expensive as hell and only in use by Japan which would mean higher maintance costs as well as the topic of Japan even greenlighting a export to us.

Maybe they are eyeing something like the LRMPA program of Pakistan.

Pakistan uses the ATR-72 (similar to us) which have been modified by RAS (Germany) (our have been modified by Leonardo). Now they have I believe aquired already two Embrear Lineage 1000 Jets to be modified into MPAs.

I think we will see a similiar path for the Navy to aquire LRMPA.

Another choice would be buy second hand hulls (737) from THY and modify them into MPAs.

 

[TR_123456]

3000-ton submarine floating dock

View attachment 51125

ASFAT

ASFAT, 27 askerî fabrika ve 3 askerî tersanenin nitelikli ve alanında uzman işgücü ile 30 yılı aşkın inşa, modernizasyon, tamir, bakım ve idame tecrübesine sahiptir.

asfat.com.tr

Yütek Makina – Gemi Bakım | Onarım

www.yutekgemi.com.tr

https://twitter.com/yutek_yutekgemi

Yutek shipbuilding shared a video of the 3000-ton submarine floating dock shooting from the sea. I could not share it because its twitter account in protected, but I took a screenshot from the video and shared it.

What does that mean 3000-ton?
Usefull for subs upto 3000-ton or something else?

 

[dBSPL]

What does that mean 3000-ton?
Usefull for subs upto 3000-ton or something else?

Üstad, It will dry-dock submarines up to 3000 tons.

 

[TheInsider]

The Navy wants long-range MPAs with jet engines but it is not a priority.

 

[dBSPL]

If I'm not mistaken Navy wants a LRMPA to be able to cover the East Med easier.
Seeing how the P-8 is impossible to be aquired by us the other sensible choice would be the Kawasaki P-1 which is expensive as hell and only in use by Japan which would mean higher maintance costs as well as the topic of Japan even greenlighting a export to us.

Maybe they are eyeing something like the LRMPA program of Pakistan.

Pakistan uses the ATR-72 (similar to us) which have been modified by RAS (Germany) (our have been modified by Leonardo). Now they have I believe aquired already two Embrear Lineage 1000 Jets to be modified into MPAs.

I think we will see a similiar path for the Navy to aquire LRMPA.

Another choice would be buy second hand hulls (737) from THY and modify them into MPAs.

More explicitly, the navy wants the P-8, but the current conditions do not seem suitable for such a defense program.

The integration of hundreds of systems and sensors into civilian airliners under the MPA is a real challenge. In other words, transforming an airplane from scratch into a long-range MPA without a background in military systems integrations would probably require a development process of around 6-10 years.

There are 3 main pathways:

A- Antonov and TAI will develop a concept within a 10-15 year program. This is the second weakest possibility, the war has completely changed the circumstances. We can add to this the possibility of joint development with Brazil. I don't know if Embraer has a ready solution at the moment.

B- Cooperation with Japan, the other ready solution. Japan is very keen on the P-1 in international tenders. Two tenders were lost directly due to the US lobby.

C- Cooperation with Airbus. The French-German MPA program over a320 is finally on track. In the end, the alternative to the US as an long range MPA-converted aircraft with the similiar capabilities will be Japan's Kawasaki and the EU's Airbus in short/medium term. Although options B and C are relatively more open, they both have many technical and political unknowns/problems.

edit: Things must be going better in the parallel universe where the +2 option was realized in the Peace Eagle program when relations with the US were good, and a front row ticket was purchased for the P-8 Poseidon with around 10 orders.

 

[Heartbang]

and a front row ticket was purchased for the P-8 Poseidon with around 10 orders.

So, are we buying P-8 Poseidons?