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I think Turkey will reveal a new short range naval air defense missile system (Sapan) based on Sungur that will replace RAM missiles on Turkish naval platforms. Most likely, Fac-55 FAC won’t have any foreign RAM missile on poop deck.
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This mockup (1) still a mystery. Maybe, it will sit between Bozdoğan and Sungur.
This is frigate with enhanced air defence capabilities?
This is frigate with enhanced air defence capabilities?
New year did not start properly and already great news, it will increase operational capabilities and add one more variable for consideration to the potential adversaires. By your opinion, how attractive it would be as export, i see it as very good option for the navies which needs more air defence but classical destroyers are to expensive or unreachable for them?Yes, A 3000t displacement frigate with 16 cell VLS. Second I class will have domestic MİDAS VLS with quad packable G40 missiles on board. Later, 7000ton Tf-2000 AAW deatroyer and 4500ton multi-purpose frigate will follow.
New year did not start properly and already great news, it will increase operational capabilities and add one more variable for consideration to the potential adversaires. By your opinion, how attractive it would be as export, i see it as very good option for the navies which needs more air defence but classical destroyers are to expensive or unreachable for them?
Thanks for detailed answer and some aspects that i did not think about. By your opinion it is even better then ordinary money income from export, one more tool for forging alliaances and power projection as the established super powers do it for decades, hope it will goes below radar of them in terms of radical moves to stop such activites.View attachment 10308
If you pay attention to countries with big naval tradition in NATO, You will see they have AAW concept with mostly US Aegis radar, CMS and missile package. France and UK are exception. Turkey will join into this league of exception with national programs related with Tf2000. Çafrad radar complex, Advent CMS and Hisar/G40/Siper/HALR family naval missiles; Atmaca SSM/Gezgin land attack missles will put Turkey into very special position between these countries. The marine propulsion systems will remain as the biggest matter in this journey and New Ukraine/Turkey JV institute called Lodos which is established to produce marine propulsion systems will overcome this problem in near future. Turkey should think about Minus/Plus of exporting a strategic platform like Tf200 (capabilities equal to Turkish variant) to a country so I think Only a few countries will be allowed to purchase this ship in Turkish variant. These platform will be costly but a real game changer without any doubt. Noone wants such a strategic technology to be end up in the hand of a state that may turn hostile in accordance to the direction of political winds so export success of such big programs are not important matter for me.
Chaparral is first example of sidewinder based SAM system.This is RAM missile (32kg). The mock-up missile introduced by SAGE looks quite similar in size/diameter and can be modified for naval roles but I think the fins must be folding type for multiple missile launchers.
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they need to be packed in like ram missiles, otherwise it will worsen the stealth characteristics of the ship...Chaparral is first example of sidewinder based SAM system.
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İmagine 4 Gökdoğan missiles were on the ships.
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In order to pack them you need to transform fins' design like RAM. Moreover RAM has 20 missiles which cost totally 20 million usd. Just 4 missiles are cheaper.they need to be packed in like ram missiles, otherwise it will worsen the stealth characteristics of the ship...
thats why they are not used in Turkish navy or only used in VLSIn order to pack them you need to transform fins' design like RAM. Moreover RAM has 20 missiles which cost totally 20 million usd. Just 4 missiles are cheaper.
They ( göktuğ missiles) aren't used because they haven't completed yet.thats why they are not used in Turkish navy or only used in VLS
If memory serves, RAM missiles were developed by using aim 9 sidewinder motor, fuze, warhead and the IR seeker of the stinger missile.This is RAM missile (32kg). The mock-up missile introduced by SAGE looks quite similar in size/diameter and can be modified for naval roles but I think the fins must be folding type for multiple missile launchers.
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Although I agree with your wishes and thoughts (Gökdeniz CIWS and national ESSM solution like G40), I should add that the word of "Enough" should never be used in naval forces. These ships are the floating lands of our republic and must continue to evolve throughout their service life.Regarding expensive cost of RAM(In my humble opinion which has suspecious efficiency ) GÖKDENİZ will solve all problems which don't exist. G40 plus Gökdeniz CIWS will be enough combination.
It would be wrong to use a RAM system in class I.Regarding expensive cost of RAM(In my humble opinion which has suspecious efficiency ) GÖKDENİZ will solve all problems which don't exist. G40 plus Gökdeniz CIWS will be enough combination.