TR Naval Programs

[Sanchez]

Just in, Romania cancelled their 4 Gowind class corvette purchase which was signed in 2019, which was fraught with issues. Damen also didn't work before this. Freedom Class and the Ingalls' NSC based design are what's left. 7 years later, they have nothing to show for. They did join PESCO's European Patrol Corvette program, but that project is still many years away.

Ada Class would be a nice, easy to build and cheap option.

România a anulat contractul corvetelor. Sfârșit de drum în epopeea „Corveta multifuncțională”

Breaking news! România a anulat contractul „Corveta multifuncțională” - cunoscut mai pe scurt contractul corvetelor. Navele ar fi trebuit să fie produse de compania franceză Naval Group.

m.defenseromania.ro

I hadn't seen this. Ada Class TCG Kınalıada is currently docked in Constanta for "Romanian Navy Day"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1691115144896454657

Probably unrelated and it's just a coincidence, she was just available for the port call, but maybe not.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1691480244534890497

DEARSAN's project development activities and vision in foreign markets are truly a role model. Especially the African region offers serious potential for companies operating in the military shipbuilding industry, and this can be clearly felt in the social media circles of the defence enthusiasts of the relevant countries.

I am in favour of creating a fund - maybe a foundation - for these projects. Pilot productions can be made within these concepts and delivered to the Turkish Navy for sea tests. The private fund can undertake the production costs for the ships that will join the Turkish Navy within these pioneering ships in its classes. If you deliver a ship to TN, you increase your overseas marketing power many times over. This creates the fund's own life cycle. There are limited financial resources and manpower to increase the renewal momentum of our navy. Formulas should be worked on to enable private shipyards to progress more rapidly and in parallel to minimise the cost of these resources. A sovereign wealth fund on a voluntary basis and directly attached to the naval forces could be tried.

 

[Bilal Khan(Quwa)]

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via Mr. Özberk

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683868220103462912

Maybe the AS 3600 could be our interim solution ?

With proper sensor employment, removing half of the VLS and increasing range/endurance.

I'm humbly requesting special attention to Ivar & Mogami style wet deck...

IMO...I think we'll see this materialize as a continuation of Pakistan's Jinnah-class frigate program, maybe as a Batch II or Batch III set of ships (e.g., to replace the F-22Ps by 2040 or so).

 

[Oublious]

CIWS wil first time tested on a sea platform after september.

 

[Aqerdf]

IMO...I think we'll see this materialize as a continuation of Pakistan's Jinnah-class frigate program, maybe as a Batch II or Batch III set of ships (e.g., to replace the F-22Ps by 2040 or so).

Possible. I read either here or another place is that this design has some Jinnah Class vibes. From earlier Jinnah Class photos etc.

 

[fushkee]

and Göksu, Gediz Gökçeada frigates behind...

 

[Aqerdf]

Newest USN CVN, Gerald Ford.


Göksur or hypothetical Gökdemir - Naval could handle this job like that i think.

 

[Sanchez]

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Newest USN CVN, Gerald Ford.

Unlike in the VLS ones, ESSMs on Mk 29s that are used on US amphibs and carriers are not quadpacked. Mk29 only carries 8 ESSMs. Tho it being a neater packaging, nothing below the deck, is a good selling point. US doesn't like VLS on its carriers.

 

[UkroTurk]

I fully agree with you. This ship is naked when it comes to self protection. Couple of Phalanx will never cut it. It needs on board protection at a level that is commensurate with a vessel of this stature.
Goksur is a good close-in-weapons system. Its designers are very confident that they can hit targets with a single missile shot. But missiles developed from Bozdogan mean, they are expensive. Roketsan’s Levent System, however, use an upgraded version of Sungur missile. They should be a lot cheaper. Sungur missiles use titanium rods that are welded at alternate points and when missile explodes, these rods form a large circular wall that hits the incoming threat. Sungur is built as a true economical CIWS missile with an expected effective range of 11km thanks to its dual thrust engine. In addition to the 2 Phalanx there should be 2 Levent/Goksur on board.
Also, if we can not attach basket designed VLSs at the sides of this ship like Cavour has, then at least, we should place some oblique launchers with Hisar-RF missiles on to the deck of this ship.


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People are saying: The air defense frigate will protect TCG ANADOLU. But how much does AD Frigate cost comparing MİDLAS loaded with missiles? I think 4 x compact AESA radar+16 cell MİDLAS with missiles,plus 2 x Gökdemir would be max 100 million USD. With such solution you would get LHD destroyer which everyone dreams.

 

[UkroTurk]

Again i asked to my clever friend but the answer is not clear

The Yakamoz sonar and Fersah sonar are both hull-mounted sonar systems used for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and obstacle avoidance. Here are the differences between them:

Yakamoz Sonar:
- Developed by Meteksan Defence.
- It is a medium-frequency surface ship ASW and obstacle avoidance sonar.
- Designed for use on MILGEM corvettes and other surface ships.
- Features a more compact, capable, modular, and innovative scalable hardware and configurable software architecture.
- Offers a detection range of up to 30 km.
- Operates in active and passive modes.
- Provides a network coverage of 360° (DSH) and 90° (MAS).
- Meteksan Defence has also developed a retractable version called YAKAMOZ-RT.

Fersah Sonar:
- Developed by ASELSAN, a defense giant in Turkey.
- It is a hull-mounted ASW sonar system.
- Operates within the medium-frequency band in active and passive modes.
- Primary task is to meet the requirements of hull-mounted sonars.
- Can detect, analyze, and track underwater threats such as submarines and mine-like objects.
- Designed to provide frigates and corvettes with anti-submarine warfare capabilities.
- FERSAH is part of ASELSAN's new generation mid-frequency band, hull-mounted active sonar systems.

In summary, while both Yakamoz and Fersah sonars are used for ASW and obstacle avoidance, they are developed by different companies (Meteksan Defence and ASELSAN) and have their own unique featu
res and capabilities.

 

[UkroTurk]

The answer seems very easy:
Fersah sonar is new and will be used i class frigate and in Barbaros modernization.

Yakamos is old, they are used in ADA-Class Corvettes. But there will be YAKAMOS 2020 which is more compact.

İ couldn't find the English brochure.

I hope our new frigates, Corvettes and TCG ANADOLU have passive interceptors.

 

[uçuyorum]

I was hoping TCG İstanbul would be open to visitation today but as far I can see it's one of Barbaros Class in front of Dolmabahçe

 

[UkroTurk]

Finally Patrol boats will get rid of commercial fishing sonars.

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697131475630456937

Kill marks on Turkish frigate from
Libya campaign. 2x Chinese wing long 2

 

[Saithan]

https://x.com/m5dergi/status/1697246945558090198?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

Its certain that Istif will be delivered this year.

the test of certain domestic systems went far better than expected and didn’t cause any delay

 

[Anmdt]

https://x.com/m5dergi/status/1697246945558090198?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

Its certain that Istif will be delivered this year.

the test of certain domestic systems went far better than expected and didn’t cause any delay

Delivery was planned on September, at this pace they are so far aiming for "by end of the year". The delays have already occured .

 

[dBSPL]

TCG Derya and the waters of Istanbul through the lens of Oğuz Eroğuz. He is one of the most active naval shipspotters in Turkiye and have great works, if you are not following him I highly recommend.
twitter.com/OguzEroguz1

 

[Anmdt]

TCG Derya and the waters of Istanbul through the lens of Oğuz Eroğuz. He is one of the most active naval shipspotters in Turkiye and have great works, if you are not following him I highly recommend.
twitter.com/OguzEroguz1

Exhaust funnel design have changed. Not sure whether as a result of technical challenge or to cut the costs or incompetency of the designer.

Technical challenge: Building an appropiate funnel with add-on and height to avoid washing helicopter deck with exhaust (due to the airwake of forward structures as well).
Cost: New funnel design, with cooling systems (reductor, sprays etc.) for gas turbine embedded into. Now likely exists but it becomes complicated with an integrated funnel.
Incompetency: They do not hold necessary experience to design such a funnel supporting the given requirements.

 

[Anmdt]

MBDA and PGZ join forces on CAMM-MR development - Naval News

MBDA and PGZ have signed an agreement to co-operate on developing a new CAMM-MR medium-range low-cost interceptor at MSPO 2023 in Kielce.

www.navalnews.com

Iterating once again, we should schedule quad-packing Siper-1D along with Hisar-D B2, building it on top of Hisar-D B2 with a booster sounds like a achievable goal. It will be a good rival to dual-packed CAMM-MR.

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MBDA and PGZ join forces on CAMM-MR development​

MBDA and PGZ have signed an agreement to co-operate on developing a new CAMM medium-range low-cost interceptor at MSPO 2023 in Kielce. The CAMM-MR missile is being designed to meet the needs of advanced ground and naval air defence at medium ranges.


The letter of intent between PGZ and MBDA follows on from the UK and Polish governments agreeing to progress development of a future common missile based on the Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM) family as part of the UK–Poland 2030 strategic partnership.


The new CAMM-MR missile concept has been created under a contract from the Polish Ministry of National Defence, with the new missile intended to complement CAMM & CAMM-ER within the integrated air and missile defence (IAMD) capabilities of the MIECZNIK and PILICA+/NAREW/WISLA programmes.


Eric Béranger, CEO of MBDA, said: “This joint working on a new missile is a historic step for our companies and for the development of European solutions for the Defense of Europe. MBDA was created to champion the cross border development of missile systems in Europe and so we’re very proud to be working in concert with PGZ and Poland on this exciting new project.”


Sebastian Chwałek, President of the Management Board of PGZ S.A. said: “This particular LOI is intended to pave the road map of future activities that both PGZ and MBDA should undertake to engage in design, development and production of CAMM-MR. We also call this initiative as Future Common Missile to convey our aspiration it will serve both the Polish and British Armed Forces as common munition with dual source of production. This is a new chapter for PGZ and we are very motivated to engage especially in design and development with assets that we have at hand or being implemented right now e.g. HWIL Laboratory, as a solid and strategic partner of MBDA.”


Polish involvement in the future development of the CAMM family follows on from the successful UK-Italian co-operation that created CAMM-ER.


MBDA is currently working with PGZ to enhance Poland’s missile capabilities, including through the PILICA+, NAREW, MIECZNIK and OTTOKAR BRZOZA programmes backed by transfer of knowledge and technology from MBDA to Poland’s defence industry. This joint working is providing decisive military capabilities to Poland, driving significant value for money and boosting the Polish economy and high-skilled jobs.

https://newsroom.mbda-systems.com/strongmbda-et-pgz-vont-travailler-ensemble-strong-strongau-developpement-du-camm-mrstrong-11205/

 

[UkroTurk]

we should schedule quad-packing Siper-1D along with Hisar-D B2, building it on top of Hisar-D B2 with a booster sounds like a achievable goal. It will be a good rival to dual-packed CAMM-MR.

CAMM-MR !!first time I heard ,THX.

CAMM-MR has 100km range while ER had 45 km range. İnteresting.

Absolutely we should add booster Hisar-D and we should it quadpack.

Again i am repeating but what about dual-packing SİPER-B2?

I can't help dreaming.