TR Naval Programs

[Zafer]

Your estimation is based on macro calculation.

You are full of questions. I don't collect and calculate numbers. I look at what components are made locally and what percentage of the whole they should constitute. The only substantiated number can come from the SSB itself but even they do not go into much detail. Even foreigners now say it is 85% now.

 

[uçuyorum]

I am curious about AKREP. It is told to be 100km+ fire control radar. Wonder if it can help guide siper 2 to its max range as well. That would be nice.

 

[Afif]

I am curious about AKREP. It is told to be 100km+ fire control radar. Wonder if it can help guide siper 2 to its max range as well. That would be nice.

120km instrumented range in X band.

 

[Quasar]

IMHO Akrep D or Akrep D Block B2 is the mere reflection of our current missile capabitities i.e simply what is needed ... with up coming future missiles, Akrep's or any future fire control radar's capabilities can be rearranged according to new requirements with different dish sizes, different transmitter powers and using different combinations of RF-bands...WHICH ARE DEFINITLY WITIN OUR CAPABILITIES

 

[infrared]

I look at what components are made locally and what percentage of the whole they should constitute.

Can you please give us another estimate of yours on the tolerance of your latest estimate?

 

[Kaan Azman]

Indigenous marine diesel engines to be used on manned/unmanned platforms.

SSB Discloses New Indigenous Engine Projects | TURDEF

SSB shared a video of indigenous engine projects for various platforms. The video includes integrated engines in the development phase.

turdef.com

 

[AlterUnd]

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Indigenous marine diesel engines to be used on manned/unmanned platforms.

SSB Discloses New Indigenous Engine Projects | TURDEF

SSB shared a video of indigenous engine projects for various platforms. The video includes integrated engines in the development phase.

turdef.com

Mavi Batu is intended as a generator. Typically a generator runs nearly non-stop, all around the clock and for months, thus it has to be reliable. It has to go through a lot of tests, and we haven't seen it more than a 3D image of it as of now.

 

[Zafer]

Can you please give us another estimate of yours on the tolerance of your latest estimate?

83% ± 2%

 

[UkroTurk]

Mavi Batu is intended as a generator. Typically a generator runs nearly non-stop, all around the clock and for months, thus it has to be reliable. It has to go through a lot of tests, and we haven't seen it more than a 3D image of it as of now.

Since it is marine engine, cooling system of MAVİ differs from BATU? I mean always sea water circles?

 

[infrared]

83% ± 2%

Thanks mate. You are really good at generating these figures from the so-called statistical method of yours: "Manufacture A Bogus Actual-looking Data".

 

[Zafer]

Thanks mate. You are really good at generating these figures from the so-called statistical method of yours: "Manufacture A Bogus Actual-looking Data".

It maybe gut feeling but I did study statistics.

After all who can say that the domestic contribution is not between 81% and 85%.

 

[Zafer]

Whaddaya mean? The ass is as good source of information as any according to the vast majority of defense nerds worldwide. You just gotta have a statistics degree apparently. Which 83 percent of all people in Turkey have, by the way.

There is no such statistics for any country, it is all gross estimations refined over time. It is always better than no data, that's why the world uses such estimates. I am guessing you have a better source for it.

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762832074401059102

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Had no time to rewrite, or I have no intention of promoting my own Twitter account. But the biggest downgrade I have ever seen in my life after watching 15+ years of development history in Turkey, in relation to the stabilised turrets.

This is not a stabilised turret, but a remote control turret painted in Navy Grey.

WTF, for real?

Who's Unirobotics and why are they being propped up to replace Stamp and Stop directly by SSB and the navy.

Or why Targan is not going through similar tests as STAMP once did; this really confuses me as well. It can be cheaper, but it has to prove certain features during factory acceptance tests.

EDIT: replaced with new tweet

TRAKON LITE Remote Control Weapon System (UKSS), developed by UNIROBOTICS, has been integrated into the SALVO Armed Unmanned Marine Vehicle.

UNIROBOTICS, one of the SYS Group companies that includes CANiK, continues its work in the field of remote-controlled weapon systems. Finally, UNIROBOTICS integrated TRAKON LITE UKSS into SALVO SİDA developed by DEARSAN Shipyard.

In the shooting tests carried out in the Marmara Sea on February 22, 2024 within the scope of integration activities, accurate shots were achieved on the first try with the SALVO SİDA, TRAKON LITE UKSS, which was commanded from a range of approximately 11 kilometers. Testing activities were completed with great success.

TRAKON LITE UKSS, which has a user-friendly design and low maintenance cost, can be equipped with a 12.7mm machine gun or a 40mm automatic grenade launcher. Thanks to TRAKON LITE's sensitive optics, sensors and software, naval platforms will be able to engage precisely even in sea situations with heavy waves.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770117839224988002

 

[infrared]

And this is how Kozan Erkan refutes the claim of reaching 11 km. It smells fishy from here.

"How can you shoot at 11 km distance with 12.7 mm?

https://x.com/KozanSErkan1/status/1770087724487151797?s=20

 

[uçuyorum]

And this is how Kozan Erkan refutes the claim of reaching 11 km. It smells fishy from here.

"How can you shoot at 11 km distance with 12.7 mm?

https://x.com/KozanSErkan1/status/1770087724487151797?s=20

I'd think it's a typo, either 1 or 1.1, cause that's the realistic range.

 

[Anmdt]

TRAKON LITE UKSS, which has a user-friendly design and low maintenance cost, can be equipped with a 12.7mm machine gun or a 40mm automatic grenade launcher. Thanks to TRAKON LITE's sensitive optics, sensors and software, naval platforms will be able to engage precisely even in sea situations with heavy waves.

If so, why don't they demonstrate it and let us see ? So far only talk and they don't act. I am highly doubting if their stabilization is ready at all, they are posing as if its ready to earn the remaining budget. If otherwise, They would have proven the stabilization on a 4 axis table in the factory. They have skipped this stage altogether and hopped to 'sea trials'. You all are not smelling some dirt here?

I have watched the video and all i see is a boat sailing a calm sea (that we may call as smooth as carsaf) and no shots fired.

P.S. again nowhere close to what STAMP has been subjected to.

Correction: they had fired few shots, i couldn't see if they hit the target. Or what's the ratio of meeting the target.

 

[Heartbang]

If so, why don't they demonstrate it and let us see ? So far only talk and they don't act. I am highly doubting if their stabilization is ready at all, they are posing as if its ready to earn the remaining budget. If otherwise, They would have proven the stabilization on a 4 axis table in the factory. They have skipped this stage altogether and hopped to 'sea trials'. You all are not smelling some dirt here?

I have watched the video and all i see is a boat sailing a calm sea (that we may call as smooth as carsaf) and no shots fired.

P.S. again nowhere close to what STAMP has been subjected to.

Not to mention that the craft is completely stationary.

 

[Strong AI]

And this is how Kozan Erkan refutes the claim of reaching 11 km. It smells fishy from here.

"How can you shoot at 11 km distance with 12.7 mm?

https://x.com/KozanSErkan1/status/1770087724487151797?s=20

which was commanded from a range of approximately 11 kilometers.

They did correct their tweet.

 

[boredaf]

There isn't a single doubt in my mind that someone in position of power has a stake in this, officially or under the table. Aselsan has a series of 12.7 mm to 30mm remote controlled turrets that have already proven themselves, there is no way this thing would even get a mention without someone high up interfering with things.

Edit: Btw, am I only one that doesn't like 12.7mm machine guns on USVs? These things aren't exactly small, they should be given a 20 or 25mm cannon or at least a 12.7mm gatling gun, MKE already produces both calibre guns.

 

[Anmdt]

There isn't a single doubt in my mind that someone in position of power has a stake in this, officially or under the table. Aselsan has a series of 12.7 mm to 30mm remote controlled turrets that have already proven themselves, there is no way this thing would even get a mention without someone high up interfering with things.

Edit: Btw, am I only one that doesn't like 12.7mm machine guns on USVs? These things aren't exactly small, they should be given a 20 or 25mm cannon or at least a 12.7mm gatling gun, MKE already produces both calibre guns.

Let us all use our brains for a moment and think about this, i am trying to remain unbiased as possible ignoring what i know about that company;

A ready to use, well-matured, field proven, serially produced weapon system is not ordered.

A weapon system that is yet to exist conceptually is ordered by TR -1 to 1 replicating capabilities of the aforementioned system with no additional capability, or modularity- , for an unknown amount (likely more than what the previously mentioned existing system would cost) , company utilized upfront payment for R&D and development of the mentioned system, not meeting any given deadlines (and with a questionable reliability when they did). State has paid for the development of a system, indirectly.

Why did Unirobotics need orders from TR prior to hiring new engineers and setting a team, if they were so confident of the company on making a good product (or a cost effective product to be competitive on the price) to rival the other system. All i want to know is this; why are they priviliged while not introducing anything new but domectic machine gun that also can he swapped to Stamp?