TR Naval Programs

[Nutuk]

At first I had the same, WTF why would we equip old ships like Burak class with ADVENT.

But thinking further it makes sense, Burak class would become part of the radar network and get the combined radar picture with all tactical data.

The biggest force of the Turkish navy is slowly shaping: being netcentric. The command center would know any time where all her ships are

 

[Saithan]

At first I had the same, WTF why would we equip old ships like Burak class with ADVENT.

But thinking further it makes sense, Burak class would become part of the radar network and get the combined radar picture with all tactical data.

The biggest force of the Turkish navy is slowly shaping: being netcentric. The command center would know any time where all her ships are

According to Wiki these are the specs of Burak class corvette.

Type	Corvette
Displacement	1,325 tonnes
Length	80.52 m (264 ft 2 in)
Beam	10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
Draft	3.42 m (11 ft 3 in)
Propulsion	2 × SEMT-Pielstick 12PC2V400 diesels, 12,000 hp (8.95 MW)
Speed	23 knots (43 km/h)
Range	4,500 nmi (8,300 km) at 15 kn (28 km/h)
Complement	7 Officers, 83 P/O and enlisted
Armament	4 × Exocet SSM; 1 × 100 mm/55 or 76mm Oto Melara gun; 2 × 20 mm guns; 4 × L5 torpedoes; 1 × 375 mm 6 barrel ASW A/S mortars

Considering how old it is, I am more curious as to why the F*** we're not building more Ada class. I do know the answer to that question. RTE still fears TSK and don't want to fully equip them, but keep them on edge just barely managing their duty against external threats.

Which translates to scared politicians avoiding confrontations because TSK just barely makes by.

 

[Nutuk]

We will, the idea is to build quite a number of OPV's until then we need interim OPV's (Burak class)

 

[yusuf]

 

[Spook]

At first I had the same, WTF why would we equip old ships like Burak class with ADVENT.

But thinking further it makes sense, Burak class would become part of the radar network and get the combined radar picture with all tactical data.

The biggest force of the Turkish navy is slowly shaping: being netcentric. The command center would know any time where all her ships are

I think it's pretty good idea to increase such capabilities in smaller platforms to supplement the network further. Upgrades done are pretty modular, so there is not much as burden. Can be taken out easily if wanted, get integrated to new OPVs or so. I am thinking that Advent could be "lite" version.

 

[Anmdt]

At first I had the same, WTF why would we equip old ships like Burak class with ADVENT.

But thinking further it makes sense, Burak class would become part of the radar network and get the combined radar picture with all tactical data.

The biggest force of the Turkish navy is slowly shaping: being netcentric. The command center would know any time where all her ships are

havelsan says on their web that burak class will have advent,”neler oluyor lan”

Advent is scalable, it will be present in all platforms from TF-2000 to OPV or Patrol boats, even on the CG Ships that may have complex sensors. (except the boats which may not require a CMS)

For the presence on B-Class it was discussed earlier too, only one hull has been upgraded so far and it is morelikely linked to Havelsan-Armerkom using R&D funds on testing, Armerkom gains early-access for training and testing of the decided sensor-weapon suites to be used on Hisar Class OPV, Havelsan gains ready to offer sensor-weapon packages for export.

According to Wiki these are the specs of Burak class corvette.

Type	Corvette
Displacement	1,325 tonnes
Length	80.52 m (264 ft 2 in)
Beam	10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
Draft	3.42 m (11 ft 3 in)
Propulsion	2 × SEMT-Pielstick 12PC2V400 diesels, 12,000 hp (8.95 MW)
Speed	23 knots (43 km/h)
Range	4,500 nmi (8,300 km) at 15 kn (28 km/h)
Complement	7 Officers, 83 P/O and enlisted
Armament	4 × Exocet SSM; 1 × 100 mm/55 or 76mm Oto Melara gun; 2 × 20 mm guns; 4 × L5 torpedoes; 1 × 375 mm 6 barrel ASW A/S mortars

Considering how old it is, I am more curious as to why the F*** we're not building more Ada class. I do know the answer to that question. RTE still fears TSK and don't want to fully equip them, but keep them on edge just barely managing their duty against external threats.

Which translates to scared politicians avoiding confrontations because TSK just barely makes by.

At least Navy finally reached to a conclusion and they are having a decent OPV. B-Class is old yet still goes well, it would be a blink of an eye to replace those hulls and could have been handled by private shipyards-designs offices with ease. They are now producing more Ada-Class with more streamlined design in place of those.

 

[Spook]

We will, the idea is to build quite a number of OPV's until then we need interim OPV's (Burak class)

One nice thing about Burak class is Greece does not have a equivalent ship so they have to deploy patrol boat, or even frigate. You need something cheap to tire their ships.

 

[nakaFH]

According to Wiki these are the specs of Burak class corvette.

Type	Corvette
Displacement	1,325 tonnes
Length	80.52 m (264 ft 2 in)
Beam	10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
Draft	3.42 m (11 ft 3 in)
Propulsion	2 × SEMT-Pielstick 12PC2V400 diesels, 12,000 hp (8.95 MW)
Speed	23 knots (43 km/h)
Range	4,500 nmi (8,300 km) at 15 kn (28 km/h)
Complement	7 Officers, 83 P/O and enlisted
Armament	4 × Exocet SSM; 1 × 100 mm/55 or 76mm Oto Melara gun; 2 × 20 mm guns; 4 × L5 torpedoes; 1 × 375 mm 6 barrel ASW A/S mortars

Considering how old it is, I am more curious as to why the F*** we're not building more Ada class. I do know the answer to that question. RTE still fears TSK and don't want to fully equip them, but keep them on edge just barely managing their duty against external threats.

Which translates to scared politicians avoiding confrontations because TSK just barely makes by.

Isn't it obvious that there is no enough time for perfect navy. There is a dangerous emergency condition.
It is needed to reach an mature level with indigenous software as soon as possible...

 

[TheInsider]

Advent is software+consoles+datalinks I think advent is a no-brainer for all of our navy ships.

 

[Ecderha]

havelsan says on their web that burak class will have advent,”neler oluyor lan”

Why not !?
Turk ship is refitted with Turkish system -> ship's system is added to Turkish Network

 

[yusuf]

F-511,F-512 without advent but burak class is with,it does not logical to me,you can change genesis with advent,and get burak with genesis,or some part of it,but do not know it is possible or not

 

[Fighter_35]

F-511,F-512 without advent but burak class is with,it does not logical to me,you can change genesis with advent,and get burak with genesis,or some part of it,but do not know it is possible or not

They will probably receive advent during their mid life upgrade. So no need to take them out of duty two times!!
Additionally, they may add new systems during mid life upgrade. They are 10 and 8 years old at the moment. They may get upgrade when they are 15 , not a far date from today.

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442508719288307725

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1439250459114496003

 

[Fighter_35]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442539693413863431

 

[Anmdt]

F-511,F-512 without advent but burak class is with,it does not logical to me,you can change genesis with advent,and get burak with genesis,or some part of it,but do not know it is possible or not

Upgrading from Windows 3.0 to Windows 11?
Or from Windows 10 to Windows 11?

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442539693413863431

Advent also means ATMACA, that means Navy is planning to keep those in service until 2030s.
Really wonder why not just getting some newer-fresh hulls if these upgrades are not linked to using some R&D only budgets?

 

[Saithan]

Upgrading from Windows 3.0 to Windows 11?
Or from Windows 10 to Windows 11?

As long as it's not Vista. Arguably some would say XP others Win7 were best.

I guess what I'm trying to say is. TN knows that the systems and array of sensors on our vessel will have to be able to communicate and/or relay information in the centric system that TN has.

When we're thinking of the UAV/UCAV our naval vessels will have radar/antenna to relay communication and such.

Does it matter if all our Naval vessels have all sensors and radars ?

It depends on their mission. The smaller corvettes would be better of having a more specific missions. Especially in Adalar Denizi where littoral vessels will have a much easier time patroling/hiding.

 

[Anmdt]

It depends on their mission. The smaller corvettes would be better of having a more specific missions. Especially in Adalar Denizi where littoral vessels will have a much easier time patroling/hiding.

And imagine if those small corvettes - FACs can directly or indirectly (through base or larger ships) connect to UAVs, Satellites-USVs to locate the enemy assets.

Does it matter if all our Naval vessels have all sensors and radars ?

Not all of them will have CAFRAD but beyond a size i think a 3D search radar or EO-IR detection (360 degrees situational awareness) is necessity.

 

[Spook]