TR Naval Programs

[Hexciter]

Ooooh Lalaaa.. Submarine launched HISAR Anti-Air Missile is on the way!
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460941847099027459

There’ll be laser defense system also

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461011381084471298

Turkish Aircraft Carrier talks with Spain

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461011381084471298

Turkish Aircraft Carrier talks with Spain

We really don't have any nuances in Turkish when it comes to LHD and AC "Ucak gemisi" perhaps we should go with "Ucak Vapuru"

 

[Spook]

Ooooh Lalaaa.. Submarine launched HISAR Anti-Air Missile is on the way!
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460941847099027459

National propulsion

 

[Combat-Master]

Mr. Erdoğan: "Our first aircraft carrier associated with the Navantia is not actually large-scale. We will do the large scale from now on. We are already in agreement with my dear friend (Sánchez) on this matter. Hopefully, we plan to build a large aircraft carrier after the current aircraft carrier.
Maybe with that we'll have the case to get into the submarine thing. We talked about these in detail with my dear friend and friend. And we will take these steps.
And there is a lot we can do together in the defense industry. We have the chance to take many steps on these issues such as UAV, SİHA, AKINCI, and we will have the opportunity to share Spain's own products in the same way."

Spain - next customer for Turkish drones ?

 

[Zafer]

Spain - next customer for Turkish drones ?

Erdoğan clearly said Akıncı instead of simply saying UAVs, must be pimping Akıncı out.

 

[Spook]

Mr. Erdoğan: "Our first aircraft carrier associated with the Navantia is not actually large-scale. We will do the large scale from now on. We are already in agreement with my dear friend (Sánchez) on this matter. Hopefully, we plan to build a large aircraft carrier after the current aircraft carrier.
Maybe with that we'll have the case to get into the submarine thing. We talked about these in detail with my dear friend and friend. And we will take these steps.
And there is a lot we can do together in the defense industry. We have the chance to take many steps on these issues such as UAV, SİHA, AKINCI, and we will have the opportunity to share Spain's own products in the same way."

İspanyol Denizaltısının Sorunları ve Yansımalar

Sığ bir bakış açısıyla değerlendirildiğinde S-80 projesinde yaşanan bu sorunlar olumsuz gelişmeler olarak nitelendirilebilir olsa da aslında durum tam anlamıyla böyle değildir

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İspanyanın Ağır(!) Denizaltısı

2013 yılı için küresel denizaltı pazarının büyüklüğünün 14,4 milyar dolar olduğu ve önümüzdeki 10 yıllık dönemde büyümeye devam ederek 21,7 milyar dolara ulaşacağı tahmin edilmektedir.

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Bir Denizaltı Uzatma Hikayesi: S-80

İspanyollar tarafından belki de haddinden fazla iddialı bir şekilde, teknolojik açıdan ulaşılabilecek dünya üzerindeki en gelişmiş dizel-elektrik denizaltı olacağı beyan edilen S-80 projesi daha sonra kaçınılmaz olarak çok sıkıntılı bir sürece girdi ve bazı ağır darbeler yedi.

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S-80 Plus Submarine has an long history. Delays because of engineering issues. Critical supplier going bankrupt. A lot of lessons for the 3000 ton Milden project.

We are more experienced than the Spain when it comes to designing, building submarines. We accumulated far more knowledge, infrastructure with license building, Reis-class design, modernization etc. Our subsystem nationalization capability is around 80% but lacking critical systems such as propulsion.

 

[Combat-Master]

Erdoğan clearly said Akıncı instead of simply saying UAVs, must be pimping Akıncı out.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with European MALE drone project, which spain is part of - might even be an insight into Spain not being happy with the progress of the European project.

Akinci is in service, Euro Drone first flight is sometime in 2025 with deliveries in 2028

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Erdoğan: "Maybe with that we'll have the case to get into the submarine thing. "

Navantia's S81, 3000 ton class AIP submarine identical to the features of our MILDEN. We can benefit from experiences of Navantia maybe.

 

[Anmdt]

A month ago we were getting submarine tech from Russians, now the Spanish. Engineers in Armerkom are crying.

 

[Cypro]

Give up national production?
That will not make any gains as the US has no interest in helping Turkey grow its power anyway.
We can use the money to beef up our production and diversify our systems.

Which national products are we giving up? F35s supposed to fly together with MMU, F16s also expected to get an upgrade eventually. There is no immediate alternative exists for E-7A or Poseidon. You can't produce everything and you shouldn't split your resources to many projects. More Ch47s also need or will be (it was a downsized order), Jet engine MPA needed, F16 upgrade become a necessity. SM3 is supposed to be in TF2000 like MK-41, if they didn't put an embargo, Turkey would buy these anyway. Time is money as well, some stuff you still need to buy from US. Nobody said give up nationalization.

 

[Zafer]

Which national products are we giving up? F35s supposed to fly together with MMU, F16s also expected to get an upgrade eventually. There is no immediate alternative exists for E-7A or Poseidon. You can't produce everything and you shouldn't split your resources to many projects. More Ch47s also need or will be (it was a downsized order), Jet engine MPA needed, F16 upgrade become a necessity. SM3 is supposed to be in TF2000 like MK-41, if they didn't put an embargo, Turkey would buy these anyway. Time is money as well, some stuff you still need to buy from US. Nobody said give up nationalization.

You can't fight the enemy buying their weapons.
Every weapon has brains in it, how can you expect their weapons to be reliable?

 

[Saithan]

Depends on what kind of weapons you're talking about. High tech weapons like F35 and S400. I'd say you're about right.

But F16 etc. You aren't right, not as long as we can install our own IFF system on them. I recall that France gave the missiles signature something to UK during the Falkland war, and that was a big handicap to Argentina. But I hope my point gets across.

Still it's important to know what we're getting and where the vulnerabilities are. Which is why we're developing so much domestically.

It's not like we're attacking western oriented nations, and they sure as hell won't use a kill switch or such on us when we target terrorists and such. Kill switch is like an ultimate weapon and once you use it you'll lose a lot more than an ally, you're defense products will lose trust.

I hope we build the small STM submarine. And get some more hands on experience.

 

[Oublious]

 

[Anmdt]

A little change on TCG-Istanbul has gone unnoticed by people. The secondary mast (with IFF) on rear of the exhaust funnel has been relocated to the ahead of the funnel and the LPI radar on top of the secondary mast has also been relocated to the rear side of the main mast. The comm systems remain in place on the sides of the secondary mast.

- It may indicate the secondary mast is likely to be used for VHF/UHF comms, ELINT/COMINT or jammers in future.

- This also may be related to the rise of the exhaust gas and the electronics were prone to be affected.

To me, the first reason is more-likely, they aremaking some space for future integrations. Nazar-L was also rumored and we will see how and where it goes.

It also could be vice-versa, but STM also posted a recent image that shows it as the most-recent configuration:

Earlier as shown in IDEF'21:

Now as shown in NSS'21:

 

[Combat-Master]

A little change on TCG-Istanbul has gone unnoticed by people. The secondary mast (with IFF) on rear of the exhaust funnel has been relocated to the ahead of the funnel and the LPI radar on top of the secondary mast has also been relocated to the rear side of the main mast. The comm systems remain in place on the sides of the secondary mast.

- It may indicate the secondary mast is likely to be used for VHF/UHF comms, ELINT/COMINT or jammers in future.

- This also may be related to the rise of the exhaust gas and the electronics were prone to be affected.

To me, the first reason is more-likely, they aremaking some space for future integrations. Nazar-L was also rumored and we will see how and where it goes.

It also could be vice-versa, but STM also posted a recent image that shows it as the most-recent configuration:
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Earlier as shown in IDEF'21:

Now as shown in NSS'21:

Glad to see there's a mast just behind AKREP FCR, hated seeing carbon deposits on radome from the exhaust stacks.

 

[BTT34]

A little change on TCG-Istanbul has gone unnoticed by people. The secondary mast (with IFF) on rear of the exhaust funnel has been relocated to the ahead of the funnel and the LPI radar on top of the secondary mast has also been relocated to the rear side of the main mast. The comm systems remain in place on the sides of the secondary mast.

- It may indicate the secondary mast is likely to be used for VHF/UHF comms, ELINT/COMINT or jammers in future.

- This also may be related to the rise of the exhaust gas and the electronics were prone to be affected.

To me, the first reason is more-likely, they aremaking some space for future integrations. Nazar-L was also rumored and we will see how and where it goes.

It also could be vice-versa, but STM also posted a recent image that shows it as the most-recent configuration:
View attachment 36007

Earlier as shown in IDEF'21:

Now as shown in NSS'21:

Do we have C-ESM or C-ECM for naval platforms?

 

[Anmdt]

Do we have C-ESM or C-ECM for naval platforms?

TF-2000 will have, I-Class will receive later.

TCG-Ufuk is technically a floating sensor.

 

[BTT34]

TF-2000 will have, I-Class will receive later.

TCG-Ufuk is technically a floating sensor.

Thanks for replying

 

[Turko]

15-16 November 2021

Naval Systems Seminar

www.navalsystemsseminar.com

Could we find more visuals from 10th Naval Systems Seminar ?


Credits: @boracetkin

@Anmdt Dear could you please enlightened us? What's that?
Could HisarA+ be part of brainstorm of Gabya's modernization?

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