TR Navy Naval Programs

[Ripley]

New LCTs, and an Ocean-Going research vessel is also still on the plan.

Will the Ocean-going research vessel be related to Turkish Antarctic project in any form?
And what is Meseha please?

 

[TheInsider]

I think the Navy needs a brand new oceanographic research vessel with a cutting-edge sea bed mapping capability and new ocean going research vessel can provide this capability.

 

[Saithan]

how much would it cost to build such a vessel and keep it working to map seabed etc. in Med. sea ? I'm thinking annual cost etc.

such a vessel could be used as front to place smart permanent sonobuoys for scientific research. If people get my meaning

 

[Anmdt]

Will the Ocean-going research vessel be related to Turkish Antarctic project in any form?
And what is Meseha please?

Meseha is referring to the "research". Not sure why Navy adopts the term. Probably referring to both oceanography and hydrography.

 

[Sanchez]

While we are talking about SLBMs on 3000 ton subs, TF-2000 design process is still not complete and production is seemingly a long while away from beginning in phase 2.

"TF-2000 Phase-1 activities continue at the Project Design Office of the DZKK. Within the scope of the project, model experiments, classification, 3D production modeling, degaussing, main propulsion system, combat management system integration and design activities continue. As a result of the decision taken by the Defense Industry Executive Committee on May 13, Phase-2 activities will also be carried out by ASFAT."

Defence Turkey Magazine

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Fairon]

While we are talking about SLBMs on 3000 ton subs, TF-2000 design process is still not complete and production is seemingly a long while away from beginning in phase 2.

"TF-2000 Phase-1 activities continue at the Project Design Office of the DZKK. Within the scope of the project, model experiments, classification, 3D production modeling, degaussing, main propulsion system, combat management system integration and design activities continue. As a result of the decision taken by the Defense Industry Executive Committee on May 13, Phase-2 activities will also be carried out by ASFAT."

Defence Turkey Magazine

www.defenceturkey.com

Wasn't first ADA built this way as well? If I remember correctly, design has been finalized during construction.

As first ADA class, I guess Navy felt need of securing commitment to the TF2000 project if they chose to to go this way.

 

[mTT]

Wasn't first ADA built this way as well? If I remember correctly, design has been finalized during construction.

As first ADA class, I guess Navy felt need of securing commitment to the TF2000 project if they chose to to go this way.

In the first phase, the Naval Forces Command (DzKK) conducts the design work. In the second phase, shipyards like STM begin producing the vessel and make necessary improvements during the production process. The first vessel's production takes a long time, but after delivery, the shipyard meets the requirements and completes subsequent vessels in much shorter timeframes.

For example:

• TCG Istanbul: As the first vessel, it was delivered in 7 years including the design process
• TCG Izmir and TCG Izmit: These vessels from the same class will be produced in only 3 years (2026 delivery date)

The TF2000 project will follow the same process. The first vessel's production will take a long time, followed by rapid deliveries.

 

[Sanchez]

• TCG Istanbul: As the first vessel, it was delivered in 7 years including the design process

Istanbul was delayed by years because design and foreign components were changed considerably while it was built. TF2000 doesn't have the same problem.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Gabya-Class Frigates Get Atmaca Anti-Ship Missiles | TURDEF

Gabya-class frigates (Ex Oliver Hazard Perry-class) of the Turkish Navy alongside two other ship classes will receive the Atmaca anti-ship missile.

turdef.com

Four modernised Gabya Class frigates to receive Atmaca missiles in place of their old and shorter range Harpoons.

This means that these four ships will be with the fleet for a while yet.

Within the project, 3 Ada corvettes and the remaining Barbaros Class ships under MLU will also receive Atmaca as their anti ship missiles.

The project to be completed by Q1 of 2027

 

[Sanchez]

Gabya-Class Frigates Get Atmaca Anti-Ship Missiles | TURDEF

Gabya-class frigates (Ex Oliver Hazard Perry-class) of the Turkish Navy alongside two other ship classes will receive the Atmaca anti-ship missile.

turdef.com

Four modernised Gabya Class frigates to receive Atmaca missiles in place of their old and shorter range Harpoons.

This means that these four ships will be with the fleet for a while yet.

Within the project, 3 Ada corvettes and the remaining Barbaros Class ships under MLU will also receive Atmaca as their anti ship missiles.

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This project was signed in 2022. We are still yet to see any ship other than Adas, Istanbul or Oruçreis MLU with Atmaca.

Deliveries in the program are to be concluded by 2027.

Btw, 11 platform will receive Atmaca SSM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1689202034459754496

 

[Pokemonte13]

Istanbul was delayed by years because design and foreign components were changed considerably while it was built. TF2000 doesn't have the same problem.

Yes but still first vessel is always a prototype/ learning experience
My guess is first vessel in service by 2029-2030

 

[Sanchez]

Yes but still first vessel is always a prototype/ learning experience
My guess is first vessel in service by 2029-2030

Considering design phase still continues and phase 2 was only signed for 2 weeks ago, I expect 2032 at the earliest. Wish they go for a private interim design that won't need the Istanbul shipyard to be built as a stopgap between Istif and TF2000.

 

[mTT]

As the second ship of the Pakistan MİLGEM project, PNS KHAIBAR—built at the Istanbul Shipyard Command under the main contractorship of ASFAT—set sail for the first time, it was accompanied at sea by our first Offshore Patrol Vessel, AKHİSAR, which is currently undergoing sea acceptance tests as part of the Offshore Patrol Vessel project.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928085581910921403

TCG AKHİSAR & PNS KHAIBAR

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928405051732873262

 

[zio]

I hope our navy got something from recent events; firstly gökdeniz system shouldbe effective against small size drones,if not we must work on software or hardware especially radar system,secondy one gökdeniz on the ship can not cover 360 degree, so if possible use two of them, if not you can convert 25 mm aselsan stop system to 25 mm atom system,and distribute to places to cover 360 degrees. Single barrel gökdeniz have better elevation than double barrel.

 

[Anmdt]

Considering design phase still continues and phase 2 was only signed for 2 weeks ago, I expect 2032 at the earliest. Wish they go for a private interim design that won't need the Istanbul shipyard to be built as a stopgap between Istif and TF2000.

Financial stop-gap is Aydın-class tonnage minehunter ships to be built at Istanbul Shipyard. Yes technically they are the only shipyard experienced with processing non-magnetic steels and Voith's VSP propulsion system. However a true stop-gap seems impossible at the moment.
Despite of being not a big fan of foreign procurement, i don't neglect Type-31, or Babcock's AH140 furbished with Turkish components as far as possible and commonalized with other subsystems present in Ada-Istanbul Classes. Babcock is very eager for licensed production, or leasing out the design license for further modifications. Until TF-2000 catches a pace, design offices may focus on redesign of AH140.
A private shipyard can easily carry this out.

 

[Yasar_TR]

TKMS: Your Maritime Powerhouse

What does it take to be a global leader in maritime defense? Discover how TKMS combines 185+ years of tradition with cutting-edge technology to create an integrated ecosystem for navies worldwide.

www.thyssenkrupp-marinesystems.com

A good article about why Lithium batteries are better choice for diesel powered submarines.
Japanese naval top brass have already listened to their submarine captains‘ requests that the subs need to move quickly and fast to get out of danger areas, by building the last two Soryu Class subs, then the Taigei Class with Li-Ion batteries instead of AIP system. The Li-Ion may not give the submarines the 2-3 weeks underwater time AIP subs enjoy. But nevertheless the Li-Ion battery powered subs still manage up to 10 days’ underwater sailing. Also they are not restricted to 4-6 knots speeds like the AIP ships. They can be propelled to above 20 knots, and can sustain this speed for long periods. They also have much lower maintenance requirements.

May be we should take a page from the submarine books of the Japanese and the Germans who accept the advantages of Li-Ion battery usage in submarines, and apply it to our MILDEN submarines.

 

[Fairon]

Financial stop-gap is Aydın-class tonnage minehunter ships to be built at Istanbul Shipyard. Yes technically they are the only shipyard experienced with processing non-magnetic steels and Voith's VSP propulsion system. However a true stop-gap seems impossible at the moment.
Despite of being not a big fan of foreign procurement, i don't neglect Type-31, or Babcock's AH140 furbished with Turkish components as far as possible and commonalized with other subsystems present in Ada-Istanbul Classes. Babcock is very eager for licensed production, or leasing out the design license for further modifications. Until TF-2000 catches a pace, design offices may focus on redesign of AH140.
A private shipyard can easily carry this out.

Then the classic question, how about Dearsan F142?

Whats are the advantages of gettting AH140 instead of F142? Wouldn't we have much more leeway about customisation if we go with F142? Also gettint a Turkish design would be much better for our naval industry?

On they seem to have similar specs but F142 seems to get neglected(or ignored. Experts doesn't like to talk about it whenever it gets mentioned) so I am wondering what is wrong with it?(is it the design or Dearsan itself, or this will make Dearsan much more powerfull than rest of the shipyards etc)

 

[Anmdt]

Then the classic question, how about Dearsan F142?

Whats are the advantages of gettting AH140 instead of F142? Wouldn't we have much more leeway about customisation if we go with F142? Also gettint a Turkish design would be much better for our naval industry?

On they seem to have similar specs but F142 seems to get neglected(or ignored. Experts doesn't like to talk about it whenever it gets mentioned) so I am wondering what is wrong with it?(is it the design or Dearsan itself, or this will make Dearsan much more powerfull than rest of the shipyards etc)

F142 is nothing more than a concept that Milgem DPO may sketch in a week at most (and will definitely be based on TF2000). What takes most of the effort and time is the latter stages of the design. Moreover F142 lacks the deck space and internal volume that Babcock 142 offers.

 

[Anmdt]

TKMS: Your Maritime Powerhouse

What does it take to be a global leader in maritime defense? Discover how TKMS combines 185+ years of tradition with cutting-edge technology to create an integrated ecosystem for navies worldwide.

www.thyssenkrupp-marinesystems.com

A good article about why Lithium batteries are better choice for diesel powered submarines.
Japanese naval top brass have already listened to their submarine captains‘ requests that the subs need to move quickly and fast to get out of danger areas, by building the last two Soryu Class subs, then the Taigei Class with Li-Ion batteries instead of AIP system. The Li-Ion may not give the submarines the 2-3 weeks underwater time AIP subs enjoy. But nevertheless the Li-Ion battery powered subs still manage up to 10 days’ underwater sailing. Also they are not restricted to 4-6 knots speeds like the AIP ships. They can be propelled to above 20 knots, and can sustain this speed for long periods. They also have much lower maintenance requirements.

May be we should take a page from the submarine books of the Japanese and the Germans who accept the advantages of Li-Ion battery usage in submarines, and apply it to our MILDEN submarines.

As any other non-nucler submarine experience, speeds above 10 knots is not economical or sustainable and only used if submarine is concluding that it is detected. Regardless of the battery, it is the electric motor tech that assures efficiency at higher speeds and still not sustainable for more than few hours. In overall Li-Ion batteries provide a longer endurance at economical speeds.
As far as i know Milden will be equipped with Li-Ion + AIP.

 

[Naval Analyses]

Full article about the MLU at https://www.navalanalyses.com/2025/06/barbaros-class-frigates-enter-beast.html