TR Navy Naval Programs

[Ripley]

Would you please shed light on Turkey's future API program? I don't see any improvement on that. Thank you in advance.

Perhaps, This piece by @Yasar_TR might give you a new insight on future of Turkish sub propulsion program(s)

Japanese Soryu class submarines were AIP submarines. However, they produced the last 2 submarines as Li-Ion class. And they are producing the last Taigei class with Li-Ion propulsion too.
Japanese submarine captains complained about the slow speeds of AIP submarines, emphasizing the importance of getting away from the area they are in quickly, after using torpedoes, and in an emergency, and as a result, the Japanese Navy turned to the Li-Ion system in its new submarine concept.

Inspired by the Japanese, we are also studying developing a Li-Ion propulsion system. Although AIP propulsion is planned for Milden, the complexity and external dependency of this system may push us towards Li-Ion powered submarines.

 

[Sanchez]

How about the one they fitted on to TCG Gaziantep?

MKE’s 76 mm Barrel Enters Inventory on TCG Gaziantep | TURDEF

The Turkish MoD announced on social media that the foreign-made 76 mm main naval gun barrel on TCG Gaziantep has been replaced with MKE’s indigenous barrel.

turdef.com

And the one one TCG Beykoz?

MKE’s 76/62 mm Naval Gun is Installed on TCG Beykoz Corvette | TURDEF

MKE Inc design and development of the 76/62 mm naval gun is installed on the Burak Class TCG Beykoz (F503) Corvette to conduct test firings.

turdef.com

Gaziantep just had a barrel replacement. Beykoz had a test article, call it a prototype. And I believe she is now retired. I think they consider these 3 as "serial" production units. Quote is directly from MSB's weekly briefing, not Akbaba's own words.

 

[Fairon]

How about the one they fitted on to TCG Gaziantep?

MKE’s 76 mm Barrel Enters Inventory on TCG Gaziantep | TURDEF

The Turkish MoD announced on social media that the foreign-made 76 mm main naval gun barrel on TCG Gaziantep has been replaced with MKE’s indigenous barrel.

turdef.com

And the one one TCG Beykoz?

MKE’s 76/62 mm Naval Gun is Installed on TCG Beykoz Corvette | TURDEF

MKE Inc design and development of the 76/62 mm naval gun is installed on the Burak Class TCG Beykoz (F503) Corvette to conduct test firings.

turdef.com

Only the barrell replaced on the Gaziantep. I don't know what entails with the barrel replacement(I thought they just replaced the barrels but it might be more complicated than that) but considering the unique gun position on the Gabya's, I am not sure if full replacement of the gun is possible.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

3rd MKE 76mm gun was delivered to Istanbul Shipyard Command to be installed onto İstif Class TCG İzmir. First two guns were installed on the first two Hisar Class OPVs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889966134134469057

Didnt aslo 1st istanbul have national MKE 76mm gun?
1 -first i-class
2-Hisar class
+ Izmir frigate total 4 ??

 

[Sanchez]

Didnt aslo 1st istanbul have national MKE 76mm gun?

No. It uses the Italian OTO.

 

[Sanchez]

Aselsan Fersah submarine sonar solutions:

- Fersah-100S IA Cylindrical Intercept Index
- Fersah-100S FA Lateral Index Sonar
- Fersah-100S AO Active Sonar
- Fersah-100S PA90 Passive Range Finder Sonar
- Fersah-100S CA96 Cylindrical Index Sonar
- Fersah-100S ONAA/ONAH Self Noise Measurement Sonar

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890311641486557491

 

[TR_123456]

Aselsan Fersah submarine sonar solutions:

- Fersah-100S IA Cylindrical Intercept Index
- Fersah-100S FA Lateral Index Sonar
- Fersah-100S AO Active Sonar
- Fersah-100S PA90 Passive Range Finder Sonar
- Fersah-100S CA96 Cylindrical Index Sonar
- Fersah-100S ONAA/ONAH Self Noise Measurement Sonar

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890311641486557491

And why are we using a Persian name(Fersah)?

 

[uçuyorum]

And why are we using a Persian name(Fersah)?

At the end of the day, Turkish includes many words from Persian, Arabic and French, and Persian words are some of the nicer ones admittedly, more deeply embedded in our culture and literature. Some very basic root words also have common origin between Turkish and Persian ( aş , eş ) etc

 

[Turkic]

In modern Turkish, you can't talk a shit without using Persian-Arabic-French words.

 

[hugh]

It is a designation with a single word, not a conversation starter. It's not like we ran out of Turkish vocabulary and started picking loan words.

 

[Sanchez]

And why are we using a Persian name(Fersah)?

It's an old nautical term that's been in Turkish for close to a millennium. It's Turkish.

 

[Yasar_TR]

In modern Turkish, you can't talk a shit without using Persian-Arabic-French words.

That is not entirely true.
If you want to, you can. At least mostly Turkish. There are Turkish versions of almost each and every word. Fersah is a unit of distance covering some 5km.
In English it is “league” which is 3 miles. Fersah is the Arabic version of the Persian word meaning the same.

 

[Turkic]

That is not entirely true.
If you want to, you can. At least mostly Turkish. There are Turkish versions of almost each and every word. Fersah is a unit of distance covering some 5km.
In English it is “league” which is 3 miles. Fersah is the Arabic version of the Persian word meaning the same.

Actually it is but it's not related to the topic and would require long explanations.

You can talk using Turkish words only as you say but it would require a lot of effort.

Oh btw, I'm not saying there are more words from other cultures than ours in Turkish. It's just we use those foreign words more often than ours in our daily lives. So please consider my thoughts on the modern Turkish we use daily. Not all of it. Anyone to say Turkish has no Turkish words should be considered internet troll.

I have to add one more thing; as the populism is taking the youth day by day, they will be using more foreign words in the future and we will end up using a single language with different derivatives in the world. Just like how Europe includes some totally different races but it's too easy to catch words between their languages. It's a long process but www accelerated it. We are a part of the process and we're losing words everyday. They're starting to exist only in dictionaries.

Admins can freely delete this post because it is totally out of topic. Already we're not claiming different things at all. Turkish is Turkish and it's unarguable. Do we use foreign words often and would it be hard to talk without them ? yes.

 

[zio]

Making meteksan out of busines in sonar systems

 

[Anmdt]

Making meteksan out of busines in sonar systems

I think it is so far only meteksan working on fiber-optic based acoustic sensors, that comes light in weight and adaptable in size. While all of those which (Aselsan, Meteksan, Armelsan) relies on Tübitak's sonar crystal tech. So basically, those three companies are not developing the wet-end but dry end parts of the sonar.

Aselsan Fersah submarine sonar solutions:

- Fersah-100S IA Cylindrical Intercept Index
- Fersah-100S FA Lateral Index Sonar
- Fersah-100S AO Active Sonar
- Fersah-100S PA90 Passive Range Finder Sonar
- Fersah-100S CA96 Cylindrical Index Sonar
- Fersah-100S ONAA/ONAH Self Noise Measurement Sonar

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1890311641486557491

CA96 seems to have same amount of hydrophones as Altas Elektronik's CSU CA that is present on Preveze and Gür Class.

 

[begturan]

And why are we using a Persian name(Fersah)?

I really hate Persian and other foreign words, it's really annoying that our language is invaded by so many foreign words even though we have a great language.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I have always wondered how Turkish submarines of the MILDEN Series can be built and which energy sources must be used in order to be competitive.

Nuclear energy is out of the question, at least for the time being, because strict restrictions prevent us from getting anything viable in the next 10-15 years.

An AIP system would probably be the best solution, but I personally don't think it's optimal or competitive enough compared to nuclear submarines.
Because you have to refuel after 3-4 weeks.

I find the concept of radionuclide batteries in a cluster (30-40 smaller RTGs) + with multiple high power sodium (natrium) ion batteries + Supercapacitors charged by thermoelectrics much more interesting.
It has a similar characteristic to nuclear submarines in that RTGs can easily provide continuous power to the high power battery system for decades. Although the energy output would be low, the continuous charging would equalize this as you could switch between the battery blocks while charging.
The high-performance batteries would then only have to be replaced every few years due to their natural wear and tear.
The system is absolutely silent in operation.
The submarine can remain under water for months, after which only CO2 filters, food etc. are the decisive factor, as with a nuclear submarine.
Especially for first strike/counter-strike, espionage and inflation missions in foreign waters it would make more sense.
There are hardly any restrictions on RTGs with a strontium 90 and amercium 241 base, of course you would have to increase the energy density a little further and shield the submarine well because of the radiation from the RTGs, as with a nuclear submarine, but it would certainly be feasible.
The submarine would be larger and heavier overall, but for Turkey it would be the best solution I know of to achieve a similar performance profile to a nuclear submarine and make itself vulnerable to international attack.

 

[zio]

If we add on düfas,hızır and asroc type lightweight torpedo,hisar class with antisubmarine helicopter,roketsan antisub rockets,yakamos sonar,orka torpedos,silent electric motors,she would be pure antisubmarine warship.

 

[Sanchez]

What's the point of calling her an OPV if it's to be armed with 8 cell VLS, it's better armed than Ada Class ships now.

"The Hisar Class Offshore Patrol Ships are considered as an important step towards Turkey's domestic and national defense industry targets. The first ship will be built by Dearsan Shipyard, which is the pilot partner in the project, and the second ship will be built by DESAN Kaptanoğlu Shipyard in modern shipyard facilities in Tuzla. Deliveries under the contract will take place between 2028 and 2029."

DESAN, Hisar Sınıfı açık karakol gemisinin inşasına başladı

Türk savunma sanayiinin yerli ve milli projelerinden Hisar Sınıfı açık deniz karakol gemilerinin üretimi, 20 Ocak 2025’te başladı. Dearsan-Desan-Özata İş Ortaklığı ile Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı arasında imzalanan anlaşma kapsamında üretilecek gemiler, açık denizlerde keşif, gözetleme ve...

www.7deniz.net

 

[TR_123456]

What's the point of calling her an OPV if it's to be armed with 8 cell VLS, it's better armed than Ada Class ships now.

"The Hisar Class Offshore Patrol Ships are considered as an important step towards Turkey's domestic and national defense industry targets. The first ship will be built by Dearsan Shipyard, which is the pilot partner in the project, and the second ship will be built by DESAN Kaptanoğlu Shipyard in modern shipyard facilities in Tuzla. Deliveries under the contract will take place between 2028 and 2029."

DESAN, Hisar Sınıfı açık karakol gemisinin inşasına başladı

Türk savunma sanayiinin yerli ve milli projelerinden Hisar Sınıfı açık deniz karakol gemilerinin üretimi, 20 Ocak 2025’te başladı. Dearsan-Desan-Özata İş Ortaklığı ile Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı arasında imzalanan anlaşma kapsamında üretilecek gemiler, açık denizlerde keşif, gözetleme ve...

www.7deniz.net

So,what's the difference between them?