TR Naval Programs

[chngr]

Again in my humble opinion, FACs need more reliable defence system such as CIWS, due-to their consistently attack missions. But I've no idea , at the rear of the FAC , if CİWS could be efficient. You might be right with RAM but Gökdeniz CIWS seems more solid and reliable to me.

On the other hand I assume Turkish Navy prepares itself for threats just come from Greek Navy. So all countermeasures are against Greek subsonic Harpoon and Exocets. What if Russian supersonic missiles were used against Turkish FACs?

There will be Greek AH-64 and OH-58.....with Spike NLOS

We need air defence missiles against helos and some fighter jets

 

[Turko]

There will be Greek AH-64 and OH-58.....with Spike NLOS

We need air defence missiles against helos and some fighter jets

It means you need ships with G40s, Siper-N in order to suppress aircrafts.

Don't punch listen before hitting but what do you think YTKBs with Hisar A plus? Also could FACs be loaded Hisar A plus? ( Assuming Hisar A+ has 3-4 mach speed and has 25 km range at 8 km altitude.)

 

[Cabatli_TR]

INFOGRAPHICS #43: Future Surface Combatants Vol. I (Type 26, MMSC SA, Sa'ar 6-class)

Written by D-Mitch In this post, I include some of the infographics I made and published on social media, about new surface combatants t...

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[Zafer]

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INFOGRAPHICS #43: Future Surface Combatants Vol. I (Type 26, MMSC SA, Sa'ar 6-class)

Written by D-Mitch In this post, I include some of the infographics I made and published on social media, about new surface combatants t...

www.navalanalyses.com

So I've got to change my desktop wallpaper again!

 

[Brave Janissary]

Enemy working hard than us.

 

[Zafer]

We need to stop using foreign components before long.
Even when the capability of the Turkish made parts are not on par we are better off using them.

 

[Reviewbrah]

Finally

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Mast(s) much different than the illustrations. Looks like there is going to be much better electronics upgrade.

 

[yakusha]

New İbrahim Sünnetçi article

https://www.defenceturkey.com/tr/icerik/turk-tipi-hucumbot-projesinde-tasarima-stm-imzasi-4321

 

[Anmdt]

Finally

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Stolen your picture and made it my profile picture

Mast(s) much different than the illustrations. Looks like there is going to be much better electronics upgrade.

Wait for the final, gotta see more when it is launched.

 

[Combat-Master]

Don't know about you guys, but I'm expecting to see a C-Dome equivalent point defence missile, rather than a dated Rolling Airframe type Missile.
To me it makes sense as Roketsan has ditched rolling airframe for Sungur and we are already developing Golden Cage point defence system. Costs will be lower, having same type of missile for point defence on land and at sea.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Regarding expensive cost of RAM(In my humble opinion which has suspecious efficiency ) GÖKDENİZ will solve all problems which don't exist. G40 plus Gökdeniz CIWS will be enough combination.

RAM block 2 has an effective range of 15km and an altitude of 8 km. Gokdenlz range is 4 km. RAM block2 can engage helicopters and low flying (8km) air vehicles as well as missiles. So they actually complement each other. They are not very big systems. In other words do not take too much space. ESSM and G40, especially in VLS form will be too much of a space consuming system for FAC55. Although Gokdeniz is a great Close-In-Weapon-System, it is rather bulky, and even in it‘s latest guise, takes more space than phalanx. Turkish navy may be a bit reluctant to use it because of that.
As I see it, we should use indigenous systems wherever we can. So Gokdeniz and Sapan / Sungur combination will have to suffice.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Don't know about you guys, but I'm expecting to see a C-Dome equivalent point defence missile, rather than a dated Rolling Airframe type Missile.
To me it makes sense as Roketsan has ditched rolling airframe for Sungur and we are already developing Golden Cage point defence system. Costs will be lower, having same type of missile for point defence on land and at sea.

Turkish C-RAM concept developed under the main contractorship of Aselsan will provide great capabilities because the structure will be consisted on Korkut 35mm with new Atom munition (special variant of Atom for C-RAM missions with increased number of tungsten pellets) and C-RAM missiles developed by Roketsan. The whole structure will be called as Golden Cage. This concept will be applied to Naval platforms (Gökdeniz + Naval variant of C-Ram missile) so I hope they left enough space to integrate additional C-Dome equivalent missiles inside the hull of I class frigates in future.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

 

[Yasar_TR]

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Great picture! Still being painted! Another fortnight it will be ready to be launched!

 

[TolgaHM]

next ship 2th i class frigate tcg izmir - F 516?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

next ship 2th i class frigate tcg izmir - F 516?

Istanbul(515)-İzmir(516)-İzmit(517)-İçel(518)

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr. Ibrahim SÜNNETÇİ @Defence Turkey

Under the Period-I Contract, within the framework of CAATSA sanctions announced in mid-December 2020 and embargoes applied for several years, the main propulsion system and weapon configuration in boats will be considered as an option, and the foreign-sourced weapon and sensor systems in the FAC-55 design that emerged five years ago with original design products (for example, MKEK's 76mm cannon instead of 76mm head cannon made by Leonardo / Oto Melara, ATMACA B1 / B2 Anti-Ship Guided Missiles instead of RGM-84L Harpoon Block II, 21 cell Mk49 Mod 3 Launcher and RIM-116 Block 1A / HAS Missiles COGAG (Combined Gas Turbine and Gas Turbine) architecture, which is chosen depending on the high speed requirement, will consist of two separate gas turbines, and ITAR / CAATSA in the main propulsion system. I consider that more than one option will be considered, including a gas turbine option that is suitable for sanctions.

https://www.defenceturkey.com/tr/icerik/turk-tipi-hucumbot-projesinde-tasarima-stm-imzasi-4321

 

[Turko]

RAM block 2 has an effective range of 15km and an altitude of 8 km. Gokdenlz range is 4 km. RAM block2 can engage helicopters and low flying (8km) air vehicles as well as missiles. So they actually complement each other. They are not very big systems. In other words do not take too much space. ESSM and G40, especially in VLS form will be too much of a space consuming system for FAC55. Although Gokdeniz is a great Close-In-Weapon-System, it is rather bulky, and even in it‘s latest guise, takes more space than phalanx. Turkish navy may be a bit reluctant to use it because of that.
As I see it, we should use indigenous systems wherever we can. So Gokdeniz and Sapan / Sungur combination will have to suffice.

According to official source RAM block 2 less capable than you claim. You can't engage helis from RAM. However I wouldnt choice a defence system half against helis, half against cruise missiles. For warships main threat is missiles so navies must pick the most reliable defence systems against missiles apart from helicopters.
İn the middle of the open sea stinger, sungur , RAM can't hit any enemy helis. They wouldnt be more efficient than 76 mm cannon against helis.
Because enemy helis wouldn't fly close to the the warships.
we also should forget about engaging cruise missiles with SUNGUR which is Stinger equivalent. İt is impossible.




nonetheless block 2 has larger shape. RAM launcher occupies area as same as Gökdeniz.

RAM and Gökdeniz are two different point defence system with same range while RAM ( C-Dome) gives 360 degree cover.

As you can see Block2 has just 10km range, i assume flies not higher than 3500 meter altitude.
Edit: According to above-mentioned info , FAC will use RAM Block 1 which is less capable.

 

[Anmdt]

According to official source RAM block 2 less capable than you claim. You can't engage helis from RAM. However I wouldnt choice a defence system half against helis, half against cruise missiles. For warships main threat is missiles so navies must pick the most reliable defence systems against missiles apart from helicopters.
İn the middle of the open sea stinger, sungur , RAM can't hit any enemy helis. They wouldnt be more efficient than 76 mm cannon against helis.
Because enemy helis wouldn't fly close to the the warships.
we also should forget about engaging cruise missiles with SUNGUR which is Stinger equivalent. İt is impossible.




nonetheless block 2 has longer shape. RAM launcher occupies area as same as Gökdeniz.

RAM and Gökdeniz are two different point defence system with same range while RAM ( C-Dome) gives 360 degree cover.

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As you can see Block2 has just 10km range, i assume flies not higher than 3500 meter altitude.

Those ranges and altitude is given for multiple (way more than a typical AA missile) maneuvers in midflight the target can be updated several times. It is specifically designed to intercept highly maneuverable, sub-supersonic missiles. It can intercept less maneuverable hyper-sonic at greater ranges.
Especially for helicopters the altitude and range could be higher, yet why a helicopter would fly at higher altitude and reveal itself to the radars?
RAM isn't a simple missile to make also, it is not the only way to develop an effective point defense system. The seekers are the troublesome part, if they find a way to fit a RF seeker into that tiny diameter along with an IR-IIR sensor then it won't have to roll.
The missile got to be small as much as possible for rapid acceleration, fired at different angles to engage faster, also enough large to have propellant to reach 10-15 km range with multiple maneuvers.

 

[Yasar_TR]

İlk İ sınıfı fırkateyn TCG İSTANBUL 17 Ocak’ta denize indiriliyor

İstif (İ) sınıfı fırkateynlerin ilki TCG İSTANBUL 17 Ocak 2021'de deniz indiriliyor İ sınıfının ilk versiyonu olan savaş gemisinin inşası

www.defenceturk.net

According to this site 17th of January is tha launch date for the F515 Frigate