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[Sanchez]

What does TCG Anadolu do in it's missions currently? It doesn't have any helicopters on board, it doesn't have any USVs in it. Does it just wonder around empty without any mission load?

From the same exercise.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851549731672965456

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To add, "Anadolu Task Group" seems mostly stood unchanged since its latest activation back in May, again for Neptune Strike 2024.1

1 Ada Class, 1 frigate(G or Meko), 3 army Cougars, 2 AH-1Ws, 1-2 Seahawks and a contingent of marines. And to add again, we don't know how many birds are in the lower deck. There are 40 aviation guys in the photo below. These 7 helicopters would have 24 personnel at most. They are either there for training or there might be more helicopters attached.

 

[UkroTurk]

DeckFinder

Airbus DeckFinder™ is a local positioning system for precise and safe automatic take-off, landing and navigation, day and night in all weather conditions.

www.airbus.com

Airbus to Upgrade Turkey’s ALPIN Helicopter Drone

Airbus will integrate its DeckFinder positioning system into Turkey’s ALPIN unmanned helicopter as part of an agreement with Titra.

thedefensepost.com

Airbus would integrate its DeckFinder positioning system into ALPIN unmanned helicopter so could we see operational ALPIN soon on TCG ANADOLU?


Does ALPIN match the mission of TCG ANADOLU?

 

[Tornadoss]

I wish they would develop something like MQ-8C drone for the navy, Alpin Titra is seems weak and not suitable for sea conditions.

 

[Sanchez]

I wish they would develop something like MQ-8C drone for the navy, Alpin Titra is seems weak and not suitable for sea conditions.

Like any other, that is a venue that needs to be explored.
Americans are unhappy with it.

"...according to the service’s fiscal year 2025 budget request, which earmarks no funding for the 36 MQ-8Cs the service has acquired. “Operational employment of the MQ-8C will end in Q4 FY2024 and sundown will be completed by Q4 FY2026

Asked why the service is retiring a capability it referred to as “a pillar in the navy and Marine Corps unmanned campaign plan” as recently as May 2022, Adams says the decision is rooted in cost versus capability.

“If you look at Fire Scout right now, it’s sitting around $28 million per copy. I can do the same mission with a $100,000 to $250,000 piece of gear. That’s what has changed – the maturation of group 3 UAV systems since that time.”

US Navy’s MQ-8C Fire Scouts fly into retirement just two years after entering operational service

US Navy (USN) budget documents reveal that the service plans to retire the newest variant of an unmanned helicopter it spent more than a decade and nearly $1.5 billion developing.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[UkroTurk]

“If yThat’s what has changed – the maturation of group 3 UAV systems since that time.”

US Navy’s MQ-8C Fire Scouts fly into retirement just two years after entering operational service

US Navy (USN) budget documents reveal that the service plans to retire the newest variant of an unmanned helicopter it spent more than a decade and nearly $1.5 billion developing.

www.flightglobal.com

"Group 3 unmanned aerial systems (UAS) are vehicles weighing less than 599kg (1,320lb) and that fly slower than 250kt (463km/h), like the Boeing Insitu RQ-21 Blackjack now in service with the USN and US Marine Corps for ISR missions."

So will Alpin be optimal solution?

 

[Sanchez]

"Group 3 unmanned aerial systems (UAS) are vehicles weighing less than 599kg (1,320lb) and that fly slower than 250kt (463km/h), like the Boeing Insitu RQ-21 Blackjack now in service with the USN and US Marine Corps for ISR missions."

So will Alpin be optimal solution?

Maybe, or something like the S-100. But by their nature rotorcraft have lower endurance.

 

[dBSPL]

IMO, Fly BVLOS's VTOL capable fixed wing UAV was a very good approach for naval platforms, and the platform could be further developed and expanded with the support of SANs if navy consider it.

I also wish that Kemankeş, which rocket-assisted take-off is being currently testing, had a net-capture system for the navy. If this loitering system can be stowed with a closed canister, we may the option of integrating it into most naval vessels in future, esp for missile boats.

 

[Huelague]

@Anmdt , bro is it possible to equip submarines with cavitation propulsion?

 

[Anmdt]

@Anmdt , bro is it possible to equip submarines with cavitation propulsion?

What is a cavitation propulsion?

 

[Sanchez]

"That’s what has changed – the maturation of group 3 UAV systems since that time."

“They launched from about 40 kilometers from the front, flew 100 kilometers past the front line of troops and then found these SA-11 surface-to-air missiles [on] 11 Buks, targeted them, called in HIMARS airburst rounds,” said Brandon Tseng, president and co-founder of Shield AI, the San Diego-based maker of the V-BATs.

That destroyed the SAMs—and, Tseng said, marked a big operational test for the V-BATs: flying, collecting targeting data, and relaying it to artillery units, all in the face of the most sophisticated electronic warfare tactics on earth. "

US-made jam-resistant drones helped Ukrainians cut through Russia EW

Shield AI’s V-BATs are giving Kyiv new range, capabilities.

www.defenseone.com

We need more miniaturized systems, for navy and for general use.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[UkroTurk]

“They launched from about 40 kilometers from the front, flew 100 kilometers past the front line of troops and then found these SA-11 surface-to-air missiles [on] 11 Buks, targeted them, called in HIMARS airburst rounds,” said Brandon Tseng, president and co-founder of Shield AI, the San Diego-based maker of the V-BATs.

That destroyed the SAMs—and, Tseng said, marked a big operational test for the V-BATs: flying, collecting targeting data, and relaying it to artillery units, all in the face of the most sophisticated electronic warfare tactics on earth. "

US-made jam-resistant drones helped Ukrainians cut through Russia EW

Shield AI’s V-BATs are giving Kyiv new range, capabilities.

www.defenseone.com

We need more miniaturized systems, for navy and for general use.

Since the Turkish Naval Forces Command anticipates an additional 57 Gökbey helicopters, with plans underway to commence serial production to fulfill their requirements and since there was unmanned ATAK 2 , would unmanned Gökbey ASW Helicopter not be more efficient?

I would love to see naval unmanned Gökbey instead of ATAK. İmagine: Unmanned Gökbey was carrying deep sonar and light torpedoes.

 

[Khagan1923]

ASELSAN TO UNVEIL 20-MISSILES GÖKSUR - ASELSAN

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20-Missile Göksur Launcher...

Different configurations of GÖKSUR PDMS, GÖKSUR 100-N VLS (flexible and modular Vertical Launcher System) and GÖKSUR 100-N/StA (turret with the ability to operate stand-alone) are also available, providing users with modular air and missile defense solutions.

 

[UkroTurk]

ASELSAN TO UNVEIL 20-MISSILES GÖKSUR - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com

20-Missile Göksur Launcher...

"GÖKSUR 100-N VLS (flexible and modular Vertical Launcher System)"
we want see it right now!

 

[somegoodusername]

I think we should procure J-35 from China for our aircraft carrier. Naval Kaan is near impossible, HÜRJET is not a capable plane. USA won't sell us F-35C, even if they sell us it's cost is our national sovereignty. Most important part of an aircraft carrier is it's planes, and we don't have any good plane to operate in our aircraft carrier.

 

[chngr]

I think we should procure J-35 from China for our aircraft carrier. Naval Kaan is near impossible, HÜRJET is not a capable plane. USA won't sell us F-35C, even if they sell us it's cost is our national sovereignty. Most important part of an aircraft carrier is it's planes, and we don't have any good plane to operate in our aircraft carrier.

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Why naval kaan impossible? Why F-35 is cost our national sovereignty but not J-35?

 

[somegoodusername]

Why naval kaan impossible? Why F-35 is cost our national sovereignty but not J-35?

Kaan would be THE largest naval jet plane in the entire world, and we can't launch it without a catapult. Between USA and China only one of them has problem with the current borders of the Turkey, supports terrorist organizations against Turkey, and put embargos on us. We have no conflict of interest with China.

 

[chngr]

Kaan would be THE largest naval jet plane in the entire world, and we can't launch it without a catapult. Between USA and China only one of them has problem with the current borders of the Turkey, supports terrorist organizations against Turkey, and put embargos on us. We have no conflict of interest with China.

SU-33 and F-14 also big...

 

[somegoodusername]

SU-33 and F-14 also big...

SU-33 takes off with less payload than F-18, and most likely, not with full fuel tank. If naval Kaan was a possibility we would have seen it in mockups of out aircraft carrier project.

 

[boredaf]

I think we should procure J-35 from China for our aircraft carrier. Naval Kaan is near impossible, HÜRJET is not a capable plane. USA won't sell us F-35C, even if they sell us it's cost is our national sovereignty. Most important part of an aircraft carrier is it's planes, and we don't have any good plane to operate in our aircraft carrier.

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We really need an eye rolling reaction in the forum. You really want to make another S-400 level mistake, hell even worse than that? And for what? An aircraft carrier that *might* be in our future around 15 years down the line? That is a very long time for things to change especially as the world is moving really fast right now. Not only that would cause unacceptable delays in our own projects right now, it would also damage our economy unnecessarily while it is already teetering on the edge of a knife.

China would never, ever sell us one of their most advanced planes while we are still in NATO. And, we are balls deep in NATO, whether you like it or not. And China is a literal slave master, you might want to look at how they treat their Muslims or the nations that are indebted to them.