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It is modular, so it can be single/double/triple
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That opens another can of worms though. Why showcase the twin launcher as standard? We'll probably see it on Istanbul soon and know for certain.
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I'm guessing for Gür Class? Ideas?An agreement amendment within the scope of system supply for Submarine Modernization, has been signed between STM-ASELSAN-HAVELSAN-ASFAT and Presidency of the Republic of Türkiye Defence Industry Agency with ASELSAN's share valuing EUR 30.524.000,-. Within the context of the agreement, the deliveries will be made between the years 2026-2030.
This disclosure is made with respect to the permission of Presidency of The Republic of Türkiye Defence Industry Agency.
Does that mean its chosen as the TTFAC? Because in SSIK already the decision to build FAC decision was made so I don't suppose they are advertising it for nothing?
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How feasible is the integration of a tactical level vertical launch system on ships of this class, and how much of a practical advantage can the addition of this capability to the weapon configuration provide within the mission structure of thise missile boats/corvettes?
You don't need vls for everything. You can have bespoke launchers for smaller air defense missiles that you can fit more of. US uses angled ESSM launchers on their carriers as well for instance. VLS are, as I understand, more fore standardization to use a variety of missiles, which is more useful for a larger multi role ship. If it's gonna be the same missile for foreseeable life of platform, why bother?
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It's just an updated Mk 29 that used to fire regular Sea Sparrows.
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Wrong. ARMERKOM is responsible for the concept and detailed design of TF-2000, not ASFAT. ARMERKOM designed Milgem and is also designing Milden. What is wrong here? MILGEM Design Project Office, also Part of ARMERKOM / Istanbul Shipyard has completed conceptual and preliminary design phase and...
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Yes but my point is its still a valid option over VLS, even brand new Ford class use it rather than some other solution. And to be fair, Göksur is like a hybrid between this and RAM, like a ram that launches sea sparrows, even has the same conversion from short range A2A missile lineageIt's just an updated Mk 29 that used to fire regular Sea Sparrows.
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Wrong. ARMERKOM is responsible for the concept and detailed design of TF-2000, not ASFAT. ARMERKOM designed Milgem and is also designing Milden. What is wrong here? MILGEM Design Project Office, also Part of ARMERKOM / Istanbul Shipyard has completed conceptual and preliminary design phase and...
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BAE systems do work on an angled VLS launcher. Just saying.It's just an updated Mk 29 that used to fire regular Sea Sparrows.
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Wrong. ARMERKOM is responsible for the concept and detailed design of TF-2000, not ASFAT. ARMERKOM designed Milgem and is also designing Milden. What is wrong here? MILGEM Design Project Office, also Part of ARMERKOM / Istanbul Shipyard has completed conceptual and preliminary design phase and...
MPAC is a tiny ship. Even our larger ships are pretty narrow.
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Yes after the Preveze class, Gür class will undergo mid-life modernization.
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I remember seeing triple launchers and twin launchers on some ships of the same class at different times. Might as well be a peacetime/wartime configuration difference, just like using half the full AShM payload.
Tactical length could be a challenge, the ship has 2 deck levels (+1~ at the bridge/CC). Total available height from the keel could be limiting.
The most we could see would be a single launcher of the Hisar-D B2, with a maximum of 6 cells.
Tubitak, however, used to consider Bozdogan YH in VL configuration, it is late to consider but perhaps could have been used in tandem with Sungur (Levent) in higher quantity and mobility.
Apparently the news of joint submarine production with the Spanish was true. Navantia officials confirmed the news at the fair. However, the level of cooperation is not yet clear.
I mean this doesn't mean S80 is true, but we have been speculating about working with Navantia for MILDEN especially where AIP is involved for a while.
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After MILDEN we will go nuke together with Spain other why starting another project, or we are going to play salsa....
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With the work carried out under the coordination of ASFAT, the submarine steel plates jointly produced nationally by Erdemir and Miilux OY companies operating within OYAK were delivered to Gölcük Shipyard Command. 36 steel plates with a weight of 96 tonnes are delivered. Turkish Lloyd will certify the submarine steel and they will be used for the construction of test blocks.
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Yusuf Akbaba shared a nice video and addressed the issue of base security with portable floating barriers that some types can expanding over water by a mechanical system, exactly as the US is trying to do. However, my question is not about port protection.
Can we see a cage system on frigates and destroyers sailing in coastal waters or close to coastal areas? Think like the cage system used in tanks and APCs. Even if kamikaze boats manage to overcome the self-defense systems of warships while cruising, it is probably impossible for them to make successive contacts from the same point. As soon as the attacking boat enters the dangerous distance, a barrier can be thrown into the water from the port or starboard side of the ship, whichever side the engagement is on, and it can be opened. What are your ideas? Is it a Zihni Sinir style idea or would it work? @Anmdt
Can we see a cage system on frigates and destroyers sailing in coastal waters or close to coastal areas? Think like the cage system used in tanks and APCs. Even if kamikaze boats manage to overcome the self-defense systems of warships while cruising, it is probably impossible for them to make successive contacts from the same point. As soon as the attacking boat enters the dangerous distance, a barrier can be thrown into the water from the port or starboard side of the ship, whichever side the engagement is on, and it can be opened. What are your ideas? Is it a Zihni Sinir style idea or would it work? @Anmdt
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Latest missile corvette Ukraine sank was hit in the same place one after another, they literally tore the ship open with the first and blew the second kamikaze drone in that same space, you can find the video easily.
That wouldn't be reliable at all, drones can simply manoeuvre away from the barrier and if the barrier far too long for them to get around, it would be far too long/heavy to be thrown into the water. Not to mention it would be chaotic and dangerous as fuck to try to throw something in the water in the hopes that it might stop a drone from hitting.
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It is logical if we ignore the need to access these ports, not a practical solution, just a protective one. It is like installing cages around a tank going into urban warfare without increasing situational awareness or adding gunshot detection systems. Nor does it provide any protection against UUVs that may use a retractable periscope/SATCOM and pass through.
How deep should these structures be? Is it 2 metres, 3 metres? There is no end to it, and it is impractical to make it go all the way to the bottom with 10-15 metres. Also, once some of them are hit, they will sink and make a passageway for other USVs, an explosion can create a 4-5 metre gap to let another USV through.
We should have modular structures like this to close the harbour entrance if necessary, but before that it is also necessary to have ULAQ PSVs at each base, coupled with sensors (underwater and surface surveillance) etc.
There is a saying in Turkish, "Alemin akıllısı" So in the end, this the first thought even a common person on the street would have said this, if you have mentioned of port protection, even something employed since historical times.
How deep should these structures be? Is it 2 metres, 3 metres? There is no end to it, and it is impractical to make it go all the way to the bottom with 10-15 metres. Also, once some of them are hit, they will sink and make a passageway for other USVs, an explosion can create a 4-5 metre gap to let another USV through.
We should have modular structures like this to close the harbour entrance if necessary, but before that it is also necessary to have ULAQ PSVs at each base, coupled with sensors (underwater and surface surveillance) etc.
There is a saying in Turkish, "Alemin akıllısı" So in the end, this the first thought even a common person on the street would have said this, if you have mentioned of port protection, even something employed since historical times.
