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[Sanchez]

I wonder what will the target be. This is really the first live warhead exercise of Akya? Time indeed flew past. First test fire was 10 years ago.

 

[Afif]

I dont know where to post it so i post here at geopolitics Globalfirepower 2024 and Turkiye is 8th place
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This is totally stupid. France is 11th? Give me a break. They have SSNs and CSG.

6x SSN can be sent on other side of the globe against a country (that doesn't have SSNs of its own, no matter how much tanks or fighter jets it has) and these boats can implement a total naval blockade for months, leading to a near collapse of the enemy's economy, hence likely ensuring defeat and achieving strategic objectives without significant bloodshed)

That is what real power looks like.

And this is exactly why I have been Advocating for SSN fleet for Turkish Navy instead of carriers.

With carrier, it's job is either to fight the enemy surface fleet or fight enemy's air force and provide air support for the friendly ground units.

However, when it comes to fighting enemy surface fleet or implementation of a blockade, a small fleet of SSN is more efficient, and easier to sustain than a CSG.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

This is totally stupid. France is 11th? Give me a break. They have SSNs and CSG.

6x SSN can be sent on other side of the globe against a country (that doesn't have SSNs of its own, no matter how much tanks or fighter jets it has) and these boats can implement a total naval blockade for months, leading to a near collapse of the enemy's economy, hence likely ensuring defeat and achieving strategic objectives without significant bloodshed)

That is what real power looks like.

And this is exactly why I have been Advocating for SSN fleet for Turkish Navy instead of carriers.

Ssn or Csg still are submarines with humans inside not super alien tech weapon and can e demaged or humans needs to be replaced and needs to eat . thats work for weak countries but with Turkiye tech or german, japan , S Korea those Ssng or Cgnc will sooner or later destroyed and there are just 6 of them not 60 . German had 200+ submarines and didnt implement total naval blockade , During massive war the quantity is over quality eveytime just like ww2 where German weapons were alot more advaced than soviets and americans .But didnt stop 100 000+ Tanks And 7 million+ soldiers

 

[Afif]

Ssn or Csg still are submarines with humans inside not super alien tech weapon and can e demaged or humans needs to be replaced and needs to eat . thats work for weak countries but with Turkiye tech or german, japan , S Korea those Ssng or Cgnc will sooner or later destroyed and there are just 6 of them not 60 . German had 200+ submarines and didnt implement total naval blockade , During massive war the quantity is over quality eveytime just like ww2 where German weapons were alot more advaced than soviets and americans .But didnt stop 100 000+ Tanks And 7 million+ soldiers

Western SSN can stay operational in the designated area for up to 6 months during wartime. And Soviet/Russian designed some of their boats to stay submerged for up to 1 year.

And unlike WW2 german submarines or today's diesel electric submarines, SSN is powered by Nulcear reactor. Hence, it can maintain submerged high speed without any time limits. Thus, it can choose to avoid or outmaneuver naval ships easily and only engage commercial ships. (Which is good enough for implementation of the blockade)

And except USN, no other navy in the world can conduct sufficient ASW operation in the open ocean to effectively counter a SSN fleet. Speically when they actively avoiding naval engagement, staying hidden and only choosing to attack commercial ships.

And today's most modern navies have too few ships to sufficiently protect their commercial shipping from such scenario.

 

[UkroTurk]

Do TCG Anadolu, Barbaros class, Gabya class and ADA Class need such launchers loaded with quad packed Sipers/Hisar? Or Levent would be enough?


No deck penetration
Rapid reload
Seems cheaper solution.

 

[uçuyorum]

Do TCG Anadolu, Barbaros class, Gabya class and ADA Class need such launchers loaded with quad packed Sipers/Hisar? Or Levent would be enough?


No deck penetration
Rapid reload
Seems cheaper solution.
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Our ships are kinda narrow, we don't have that much space around the deck, otherwise yeah it's a nice solution.

 

[UkroTurk]

Our ships are kinda narrow, we don't have that much space around the deck, otherwise yeah it's a nice solution.

When you have desire, you could always find a place.
There are enough place on our ships for 2x 2 cell launchers. 4x4 : 16 quad packed SİPERS or Hisar O+RF

Narrow USV with those launchers

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Any news about new 4 Istanbul class when and where will they get build?
Will Navy wait to finish 3 Istanbull that are U/C or other shipwards will start building 4 news I-class ?

 

[uçuyorum]

I guess Hisar D RF missile being integrated to Advent and MIDLAS etc. They had to rethink the entire concept and turn it into a new product. Plus it probably needs the datalink and guidance to be adapted to the ship and naval warfare. Maybe it will behave like Aegis automated defence

 

[Anmdt]

Now they are referring to SAPAN as an AD System, not as a missile.

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To navy it is an AD system (like how they call Gökdeniz as Yakın Hava Savunma Sistemi but not Yakın Hava Savunma Topu)
To manufacturer and contractor it is AD missile, since they view it as a missile.
With Fire Control System, from TN's perspective it is a "system" not a lone missile.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748661312622661841

Marlin USV has been assigned the pennant number 1101 with the prefix 'TCB', a code typically used for helicopters and UAVs. This suggests that TN views USVs as adjuncts rather than as actual ships. Despite this, the vessel has a flag on board, likely for ceremonial purposes.

 

[Sanchez]

Many countries, chiefly US is using USVs in testing and even creating whole USV task forces under navy command. But a question, Is TCB1011 the first ever officially commissioned USV in a NATO navy? Considering it's not TCG but TCB can we even say "commissioned" ?

 

[Ripley]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748661312622661841

Marlin USV has been assigned the pennant number 1101 with the prefix 'TCB', a code typically used for helicopters and UAVs. This suggests that TN views USVs as adjuncts rather than as actual ships. Despite this, the vessel has a flag on board, likely for ceremonial purposes.

I know TCG stands for Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Gemisi (Republic of Turkey’s Ship) but what does that “B” stand for?

Many countries, chiefly US is using USVs in testing and even creating whole USV task forces under navy command. But a question, Is TCB1011 the first ever officially commissioned USV in a NATO navy? Considering it's not TCG but TCB can we even say "commissioned" ?

Funny you brought this up.
Recently I’ve seen a short interview for the need of creation of a mutual robotic warfare command.

‘İnsansız Sistemler Komutanlığı’ artık bir ihtiyaç mı?

Türkiye için ‘İnsansız Sistemler Komutanlığı’ artık bir ihtiyaç mı? Türkiye, halihazırda birçok insansız hava, kara, deniz ve denizaltı projesi yürütüyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Dr. Can Kasapoğlu is a non-resident senior fellow at Hudson Institute
He, in this short interview, points out the necessity for the creation of a mutual robotic warfare domain command.

He breaks down the need in three key areas
1- Military technologies are only successful as long as they are integrated with operational design and military doctrine. Therefore, conceptual work is a must to create a dominant operational design together with technological advancement.

2- MIR, MARLIN and various Turkish SUVs are designed by NATO standards and they’ve already proved themselves at some NATO exercises. Such a mutual command would be more efficient at contributing and operating at joint NATO operations.

3- Such a command would also have to assume the role of reviewing various robotic warfare trends, works and conflicts. All the learned and gathered data would also fall under the authority of this command to act upon accordingly.

 

[Sanchez]

but what does that “B” stand for

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Bahriyesi.

 

[godel44]

I know TCG stands for Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Gemisi (Republic of Turkey’s Ship) but what does that “B” stand for?


Funny you brought this up.
Recently I’ve seen a short interview for the need of creation of a mutual robotic warfare command.

‘İnsansız Sistemler Komutanlığı’ artık bir ihtiyaç mı?

Türkiye için ‘İnsansız Sistemler Komutanlığı’ artık bir ihtiyaç mı? Türkiye, halihazırda birçok insansız hava, kara, deniz ve denizaltı projesi yürütüyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Dr. Can Kasapoğlu is a non-resident senior fellow at Hudson Institute
He, in this short interview, points out the necessity for the creation of a mutual robotic warfare domain command.

He breaks down the need in three key areas
1- Military technologies are only successful as long as they are integrated with operational design and military doctrine. Therefore, conceptual work is a must to create a dominant operational design together with technological advancement.

2- MIR, MARLIN and various Turkish SUVs are designed by NATO standards and they’ve already proved themselves at some NATO exercises. Such a mutual command would be more efficient at contributing and operating at joint NATO operations.

3- Such a command would also have to assume the role of reviewing various robotic warfare trends, works and conflicts. All the learned and gathered data would also fall under the authority of this command to act upon accordingly.

I disagree with this notion. Taking the command of robotic warfare away from the relevant units into a central command would rather reduce integration than increase it. At the end of the day, unmanned systems are tools that every unit has to learn how to use best in their own context. The military context is what should determine the reason for existence of a command. The UGV that is looking for traps in a cave in North Iraq has little to do with the USV doing MCMW in the Aegean. A central unmanned systems command is like a central firearms command or an internal combustion engines command.

 

[Ripley]

I disagree with this notion. Taking the command of robotic warfare away from the relevant units into a central command would rather reduce integration than increase it. At the end of the day, unmanned systems are tools that every unit has to learn how to use best in their own context. The military context is what should determine the reason for existence of a command. The UGV that is looking for traps in a cave in North Iraq has little to do with the USV doing MCMW in the Aegean. A central unmanned systems command is like a central firearms command or an internal combustion engines command.

I don’t imagine an operational structure where field commands or an entire theater of operations would have to be stripped off any say and authority at any given campaign.

Modern warfare where such new warfare is conducted, however, clearly takes lot of careful planning to allocate assets efficiently, especially when you’re the attacking side.
In the link Mr. Kasapli gives a figure of 10.000 units of various sizes, roles involved at the Ukraine war on a daily basis where Ukraine forming a such command structure.

I think first and third areas are more military industrial complex concerting effort and sounds less objectionable IMO

 

[Hepdert]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748991669901619238

 

[uçuyorum]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748991669901619238

Dang, mad man are actually doing an arsenal ship.

 

[Sanchez]

Is that a double launcher? Should we understand that İ Class carries 2x2 torpedos instead of the standard 2x3? Design is different than what Mir USV used during its torpedo test.

Any ideas?, @Anmdt

 

[UkroTurk]

Is that a double launcher? Should we understand that İ Class carries 2x2 torpedos instead of the standard 2x3?

Maybe 2x2as TN doesn't like loading a lot weapons?