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[boredaf]

LST project has been planned as 2 + 2 (options). Lately Adik has released - off the recors - visuals of the new LST, mostly revisit of the original design with more turkish components.

Apart from that ssst is a big liar.

2 more LST until 2030 is a dream, and a big lie to soften sale of 2 I-Class, ADIK shipyard is booked with LCT, and 3 I Class (possibly with one or two I-Class being sold, they will append another 2 to latter years)
8 ADKG by 2030 is another big lie, even Dearsan got project as 2 + 2, we don't know ASFAT's deal.
3 Tepe until 2030 is another big lie
2 Minehunter by 2030 is challenging, note that TTHB and Mine hunter is prototype ships which the actual batch will be awarded after trials.

Armada in 5 years is nothing but a big lie, an ass licking attempt - greatest of them all.

They are manufacturing consent, and they don't even have to reach a very big audience because thanks to social media their bullshit spreads far and wide. It is why people at the top have become so comfortable lying blatantly.

No different than how yank conservatives get their marching orders from podcasters and Fox News; when you keep a watch over their safe spaces as closely as I do, you notice the pattern. Trump does something stupid or contrary to their belief, there are some grumbling and then they get their soundbites and lies from their echo chambers and they parrot what they are told, while attacking anyone pointing out different.

Outsourced thinking at its finest, works perfectly well with these cult of personality wankers in any country.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

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According to SSST there are two more LST on the navys plan. The timelines seem a bit wishful thinking but the numbers seem real

2 + 2 LST were in plans since the beginning but i dont thing they will build before 2030 .
That list only China or US can complete until 2030
--- Sst List vs / Expectations

10x Offshore Patrol Vessels / 5
7x Frigates / 7
4x Destroyers / 1
3x Assault Boats / 3
4x Submarines / 4
1x Submarine (MILDEN) / 1
2x Tank Landing Ships / 0
2x Minehunting Vessels / 1
22x Unmanned Surface Vehicles
1x Aircraft Carrier / 0

 

[Yasar_TR]

LST project has been planned as 2 + 2 (options). Lately Adik has released - off the recors - visuals of the new LST, mostly revisit of the original design with more turkish components.

Apart from that ssst is a big liar.

2 more LST until 2030 is a dream, and a big lie to soften sale of 2 I-Class, ADIK shipyard is booked with LCT, and 3 I Class (possibly with one or two I-Class being sold, they will append another 2 to latter years)
8 ADKG by 2030 is another big lie, even Dearsan got project as 2 + 2, we don't know ASFAT's deal.
3 Tepe until 2030 is another big lie
2 Minehunter by 2030 is challenging, note that TTHB and Mine hunter is prototype ships which the actual batch will be awarded after trials.

Armada in 5 years is nothing but a big lie, an ass licking attempt - greatest of them all.

In view of this information, all I can say is that selling those two almost ready İstif Class ships to Indonesia is a treasonous act. You don’t sell your best assets when your arch enemy is buying 4 (possibly 8) large belhara frigates like there is no tomorrow.
Money isn’t everything.

 

[Zafer]

I have always been a fan of selling from stock; you make systems for yourself and sell them if there is a buyer and make new ones for yourself. This way you can always keep your building process vibrant and standardize your systems. I wish this mentality spans all kinds of military productions; we can sell older Altay tanks for example and make new ones for ourselves.

Our shipbuilding is sluggish, we need to speed up. The Korean company that bought a shipyard in the US is planning to make 20 ships a year, way more than we are making. Why are we so slow and building so few? We need to take every opportunity to roll out our products and start making new ones. It is only our building capacity that will be deadly to our enemies not the ships we have already built for ourselves. We have only just begone building, now we need to speed up.

Our archenemy who? our older enemies are in the striking distance of our artillery, who needs a ship when you can strike from your land positions.

 

[Khagan1923]

In view of this information, all I can say is that selling those two almost ready İstif Class ships to Indonesia is a treasonous act. You don’t sell your best assets when your arch enemy is buying 4 (possibly 8) large belhara frigates like there is no tomorrow.
Money isn’t everything.

Being done by the same government which has been trying to shove down the "peace" process (ihanet volume 2) down citizens throats because "war is a big possibility" and we need "stability in the country".

Telling the population indirectly a conflict could happen soonish and then turning around half a year later and selling two very important frigates that are on the finish line is hilarious.

They are clearly trying to create a budget for a unneccessary AC project which will be used as a propaganda piece for the next election.

Just like they put Kizilelma on Anadolu in 2023 and then later came out and said "We NEvER saID KE WiLL bE UsED On TCG AnADolu".

Someone once again is putting national security and national sovereignity in the gutter to boost his chances to win another election.

Gotta laugh at the sheep writing as an excuse "With This SalE We wILl bUilt 5 FrigATes fOr ThoSE 2"

Meanwhile your neighbor is about to induct its second Belharra frigate and is in talks to buy another 3.

Im sure the nearly 50 year old Perrys will do a good job in the ME and Aegan against those cutting edge frigates.

Just as @Anmdt and @boredaf they are pulling all the levers to keep people calm but anyone with 2 braincells knows that list is a load of horse shit.

 

[Ryder]

In view of this information, all I can say is that selling those two almost ready İstif Class ships to Indonesia is a treasonous act. You don’t sell your best assets when your arch enemy is buying 4 (possibly 8) large belhara frigates like there is no tomorrow.
Money isn’t everything.

They are literally taking the piss. This government worships money. Afterall they wont be the ones to fight the wars. They will flee like cowards and take their money and assets with them.

 

[infrared]

Just so everyone is aware, the very same people who defend the treasoneous act here (e.g. username strarting with z) are also the ones who openly cursed the founder of the country but has never been punished, instead has their message deleted and was allowed to keep using the platform as a reward.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Just so everyone is aware, the very same people who defend the treasoneous act here (e.g. username strarting with z) are also the ones who openly cursed the founder of the country but has never been punished, instead has their message deleted and was allowed to keep using the platform as a reward.

There are members here that have different views to each other. That is what makes a forum functional.

Having said that, no abusive language would be allowed towards the head of states of countries and especially to the founder of the country. This is clearly stated in the rules of the forum. Anyone not adhering to the rules are warned and where necessary banned for an appropriate time. Repeated disregard for rules will end up with a permanent ban.

This has happened in the past.
If you have a case to the contrary please advise and click on the report button.

 

[AlperTunga]

2 + 2 LST were in plans since the beginning but i dont thing they will build before 2030 .
That list only China or US can complete until 2030
--- Sst List vs / Expectations

10x Offshore Patrol Vessels / 5
7x Frigates / 7
4x Destroyers / 1
3x Assault Boats / 3
4x Submarines / 4
1x Submarine (MILDEN) / 1
2x Tank Landing Ships / 0
2x Minehunting Vessels / 1
22x Unmanned Surface Vehicles
1x Aircraft Carrier / 0

Seems realistic. But no way MILDEN will be operational in 2030.

 

[SCAR]

TCG Anadolu arrived to Port of Emden Germany for NATO exercise

 

[Nilgiri]

In view of this information, all I can say is that selling those two almost ready İstif Class ships to Indonesia is a treasonous act. You don’t sell your best assets when your arch enemy is buying 4 (possibly 8) large belhara frigates like there is no tomorrow.
Money isn’t everything.

Yes you can only think of exports AFTER own basic requirements are met.

Only surplus should be marketed and exported.

Where govt authority calls the shots on this (compared to how market forces do it for more mundane things more naturally), govt has to be extra aware on own requirements first.

Rejecting that requirement is treason for sure.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2020069049296715962

All 4 ships either filmed earlier in sea trials or in heavy seas on their way to Germany. If it is the latter, they must have had fairly rough journey. That 27000 ton assault ship is bopping up and down to make most people sick just watching it.

 

[Huelague]

In view of this information, all I can say is that selling those two almost ready İstif Class ships to Indonesia is a treasonous act. You don’t sell your best assets when your arch enemy is buying 4 (possibly 8) large belhara frigates like there is no tomorrow.
Money isn’t everything.

Nah, don’t exaggerate it. TSK knows urgently needs better than any of us. So, if we export some of our battleships, it means we dont need them urgently or near future.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Nah, don’t exaggerate it. TSK knows urgently needs better than any of us. So, if we export some of our battleships, it means we dont need them urgently or near future.

Sorry but, that doesn’t make any sense.
Can you please explain it in clear English? If need be, write it in your own language then have it auto translated on line in to English so that what you are trying to say is eligible. Because I’d be damned if I understood anything from what you have written above.

 

[Saithan]

From what I can tell. He's assuming the military is okay with the sale.

If it had been the old Armed forces. Sure. Or they''d drive tanks through the streeta to show their dissatisfaction. But considering how government has weakened and hired their own croonies. The Military will simply be ignored.

For AKP as long as there are enough Cannon fodder to send to death everything will be fine.

 

[Anmdt]

From what I can tell. He's assuming the military is okay with the sale.

If it had been the old Armed forces. Sure. Or they''d drive tanks through the streeta to show their dissatisfaction. But considering how government has weakened and hired their own croonies. The Military will simply be ignored.

For AKP as long as there are enough Cannon fodder to send to death everything will be fine.

For people like them, our dearest government has passed a law; reserve zone. And i hope they have a taste of it.

If it deemed necessary or strategical, the state kicks the people off or acquires the land by force, rebuilds the zone and if these people lucky, they receive an apartment at most after several years, if not a little amount if money for what state thinks the land worth of.

Somewhat similar to what happened with Istanbul Class frigates.

 

[mehmed beg]

Everything can be extracted and called treasonous, no? As I said in Syrian forum, if you look further back , it was all " treason and weaknesses", well I don't see those comments there anymore???
I am not sure wether I would sell those ships but I am sure , the money gained can build few Tyfuns , Fergani satellites to guide those ballistic missiles.
As I have said before, Turkey isn't oil rich country that it can pay its way out of trouble.
Military doctrine is built slowly with the continuous adjustments and sometimes trade offs. And it remains to be seen, what future brings
So over dramatisation with " treachery" is a bit out of place?
Bit overemotional