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As Iran ponders future, former shah's son wants to lead the country into a new era​

Reza Pahlavi is the son of Iran’s last shah, or monarch, and is a plausible candidate to lead a future transitional government. The 64-year-old lives in exile in the U.S., and is popular among the Iranian diaspora. Yet the depth of his support in his own country remains unclear.

 

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My take to this.

Let the Persians kill each other. If israel and iran go to war again. Let them kill each other even more.

If the usa is going to get in let it be bogged down in another iraq or afghanistan.

Build a border wall and make contact with Iranian Turks. Not our war or our battle. I dislike israelis and persians. Turkish and Turkic interests rest with them weakening each other.
 

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What is my take, well I already explained that. The danger is obvious for Turkiye
What to expect with the son of Shah? Daughter married to a Jew , wife was fucking with her Yoga instructor. The guy is in obvious need of the nose job , that's only thing that qualifies him to lead Iran.
 

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A stable, confident Iran—whether clerical or secular—has always been, and will remain, a strategic problem for Türkiye. Any assumption that a post-mullah Iran would be benign is naïve. The tensions between Iran and Türkiye are not purely ideological; they are very civilisational and structural. Persian state ambition long predates the Islamic Republic and will outlive it.

Segments of the Iranian diaspora, particularly in the United States, are highly successful, well-embedded, and broadly aligned with Greek, Armenian, Indian, and Israeli circles. Many hold a dismissive or hostile view of Turks. This alignment is not accidental and increasingly expresses itself through academia, policy spaces, and cultural narratives.

Iran’s vast energy reserves, mineral wealth, and capital base ensure it will always attract Western attention and leverage. History shows Iran is willing to be leveraged when it suits its interests. A secular or monarchist Iran—freed from ideological baggage—would integrate rapidly into Western systems and become a far more effective counterweight to Türkiye than the current clerical regime. That would not moderate Iranian behaviour; it would professionalise it.

Erdoğan has undeniably damaged Türkiye’s reputation, and Western interest groups are actively searching for proxies and partners to pressure him indirectly. A rebranded Iran—marketed as secular, civilised, and energy-rich—would be an ideal vehicle. The tools would be soft: academia, culture, energy partnerships, think tanks. The objective would be the same: constrain Turkish influence.

The Pahlavi movement itself is emblematic of this dynamic. Betrayed and humiliated by the US, UK, and France, the family and its supporters now rely entirely on those same powers for legitimacy. Their claims of restoration are delusional, driven more by psychological compensation than political reality. Bound to Western interests, their frustrations often manifest as hostility toward Turks with their pan-Iranian dna.

This hostility is already visible. Iranian-American academics routinely attempt to subsume Ottoman and Seljuk history into a Persian framework. Persian influence on early Turkic states is undeniable—İlber Ortaylı openly acknowledges Persian cultural sophistication—but influence is not ownership. Cultural exchange does not justify historical erasure.

The core issue is not who governs Iran, but what Iran believes itself to be. Whether ruled by mullahs or monarchists, Iran retains a sense of historical entitlement, a willingness to align with Western power when expedient, and a readiness to contest Turkish identity and influence. A non-mullah Iran would not resolve this problem; it would sharpen it.

Respect for Persian civilisation is compatible with defending Turkish identity. What is unacceptable is allowing another influential actor—especially one poised to gain Western legitimacy—to rewrite our history or diminish our agency.
 

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A stable, confident Iran—whether clerical or secular—has always been, and will remain, a strategic problem for Türkiye. Any assumption that a post-mullah Iran would be benign is naïve. The tensions between Iran and Türkiye are not purely ideological; they are very civilisational and structural. Persian state ambition long predates the Islamic Republic and will outlive it.

Segments of the Iranian diaspora, particularly in the United States, are highly successful, well-embedded, and broadly aligned with Greek, Armenian, Indian, and Israeli circles. Many hold a dismissive or hostile view of Turks. This alignment is not accidental and increasingly expresses itself through academia, policy spaces, and cultural narratives.

Iran’s vast energy reserves, mineral wealth, and capital base ensure it will always attract Western attention and leverage. History shows Iran is willing to be leveraged when it suits its interests. A secular or monarchist Iran—freed from ideological baggage—would integrate rapidly into Western systems and become a far more effective counterweight to Türkiye than the current clerical regime. That would not moderate Iranian behaviour; it would professionalise it.

Erdoğan has undeniably damaged Türkiye’s reputation, and Western interest groups are actively searching for proxies and partners to pressure him indirectly. A rebranded Iran—marketed as secular, civilised, and energy-rich—would be an ideal vehicle. The tools would be soft: academia, culture, energy partnerships, think tanks. The objective would be the same: constrain Turkish influence.

The Pahlavi movement itself is emblematic of this dynamic. Betrayed and humiliated by the US, UK, and France, the family and its supporters now rely entirely on those same powers for legitimacy. Their claims of restoration are delusional, driven more by psychological compensation than political reality. Bound to Western interests, their frustrations often manifest as hostility toward Turks with their pan-Iranian dna.

This hostility is already visible. Iranian-American academics routinely attempt to subsume Ottoman and Seljuk history into a Persian framework. Persian influence on early Turkic states is undeniable—İlber Ortaylı openly acknowledges Persian cultural sophistication—but influence is not ownership. Cultural exchange does not justify historical erasure.

The core issue is not who governs Iran, but what Iran believes itself to be. Whether ruled by mullahs or monarchists, Iran retains a sense of historical entitlement, a willingness to align with Western power when expedient, and a readiness to contest Turkish identity and influence. A non-mullah Iran would not resolve this problem; it would sharpen it.

Respect for Persian civilisation is compatible with defending Turkish identity. What is unacceptable is allowing another influential actor—especially one poised to gain Western legitimacy—to rewrite our history or diminish our agency.

Persians harbour a bigger hatred of Turks more than Jews and Arabs.

Its more than ideological and geopolitics its also racial.

Persians hate Arabs because they brought Islam and destroyed the Sassanid Empire. Persians spent most of their time under foreign rule.

Persians spread Islam to the Turks then the Turks proceeded to conquer them and rule them for centuries. Persian writers talked about how humilating it is to be under Turk rule as they saw the Turks as inferior barbarians.

Thats why they emphasis so much on their Pre Islamic history and the Indo-European language family along with the word Aryan and being white.

Persians are trying to show to Westerners and Europeans look we are white, secular, progressive and european.

We became brown or backwards thanks to the Arabs, Turks and the Mongols.

What does this remind you of? How Russia is seen as Asiatic and Backwards due to the Turks and Mongols and how the Ukrainians are blonde, white and European. Russians barbarism is usually blamed on their Asian past. Same with Iran.
 

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Me, as the creator of the topic can say, digression and analogies are aloud, as far as they are thread related.
 

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If the Iranian regime (which I hate 100%) falls, Türkiye will be the next target of Israel and its colony (USA). It is in the best interest of Türkiye to keep this regime alive as long as possible
 

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If the Iranian regime (which I hate 100%) falls, Türkiye will be the next target of Israel and its colony (USA). It is in the best interest of Türkiye to keep this regime alive as long as possible
It's in Türkiye's best interest to have nukes, a lot of them. I'm sure you know the reason why North Korea is pretty much untouchable.
 

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If the Iranian regime (which I hate 100%) falls, Türkiye will be the next target of Israel and its colony (USA). It is in the best interest of Türkiye to keep this regime alive as long as possible
Yes and no. Mullah regime are no Türk friendly, that’s for sure.

The question is, what is best in our interests? A monarchy? A democracy? Or maybe a Dictatorship/Autocracy in Iran?
For me, I want to see Iran as a strong ally as our neighbor. We must more involved in Iranian inner politics. We can not allow any foreign power to turn Iran into their new vassal and our enemy. We have to think bigger. Forget that old historical hostility. How can we use this Iranian revolting to our benefit? Regime change, that is more close and friendly to us, yes. A civil war? No.
 

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Yes and no. Mullah regime are no Türk friendly, that’s for sure.

The question is, what is best in our interests? A monarchy? A democracy? Or maybe a Dictatorship/Autocracy in Iran?
For me, I want to see Iran as a strong ally as our neighbor. We must more involved in Iranian inner politics. We can not allow any foreign power to turn Iran into their new vassal and our enemy. We have to think bigger. Forget that old historical hostility. How can we use this Iranian revolting to our benefit? Regime change, that is more close and friendly to us, yes. A civil war? No.
If Irans regime changes israeili and US forces will be active there as they will get military acces from the shah.
 

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It's in Türkiye's best interest to have nukes, a lot of them. I'm sure you know the reason why North Korea is pretty much untouchable.

If Türkiye tries to develop nukes, they will do another Iran on Türkiye… sanctions and aggression. Right now Iran is the punching bag. It is in Türkiye’s best interest to keep the punching bag alive for another 5-10 years. Afterwards, Türkiye’s military will be the strongest force by far in the region.
 

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Views are all mine - re-written by ChatGPT.


A stable, confident Iran—whether clerical or secular—has always been, and will remain, a strategic problem for Türkiye. Any assumption that a post-mullah Iran would be benign is naïve. The tensions between Iran and Türkiye are not purely ideological; they are very civilisational and structural. Persian state ambition long predates the Islamic Republic and will outlive it.

Segments of the Iranian diaspora, particularly in the United States, are highly successful, well-embedded, and broadly aligned with Greek, Armenian, Indian, and Israeli circles. Many hold a dismissive or hostile view of Turks. This alignment is not accidental and increasingly expresses itself through academia, policy spaces, and cultural narratives.

Iran’s vast energy reserves, mineral wealth, and capital base ensure it will always attract Western attention and leverage. History shows Iran is willing to be leveraged when it suits its interests. A secular or monarchist Iran—freed from ideological baggage—would integrate rapidly into Western systems and become a far more effective counterweight to Türkiye than the current clerical regime. That would not moderate Iranian behaviour; it would professionalise it.

Erdoğan has undeniably damaged Türkiye’s reputation, and Western interest groups are actively searching for proxies and partners to pressure him indirectly. A rebranded Iran—marketed as secular, civilised, and energy-rich—would be an ideal vehicle. The tools would be soft: academia, culture, energy partnerships, think tanks. The objective would be the same: constrain Turkish influence.

The Pahlavi movement itself is emblematic of this dynamic. Betrayed and humiliated by the US, UK, and France, the family and its supporters now rely entirely on those same powers for legitimacy. Their claims of restoration are delusional, driven more by psychological compensation than political reality. Bound to Western interests, their frustrations often manifest as hostility toward Turks with their pan-Iranian dna.

This hostility is already visible. Iranian-American academics routinely attempt to subsume Ottoman and Seljuk history into a Persian framework. Persian influence on early Turkic states is undeniable—İlber Ortaylı openly acknowledges Persian cultural sophistication—but influence is not ownership. Cultural exchange does not justify historical erasure.

The core issue is not who governs Iran, but what Iran believes itself to be. Whether ruled by mullahs or monarchists, Iran retains a sense of historical entitlement, a willingness to align with Western power when expedient, and a readiness to contest Turkish identity and influence. A non-mullah Iran would not resolve this problem; it would sharpen it.

Respect for Persian civilisation is compatible with defending Turkish identity. What is unacceptable is allowing another influential actor—especially one poised to gain Western legitimacy—to rewrite our history or diminish our agency.
Excellent post.

Reminds me of how a lot of our enemies say Erdoğan is bad, but how a Kemalist Türkiye would be much, much more dangerous.

If a new Iranian revolution succeeds, they'll catch up to us within 10 years, and we'll start turning into the "new Iran" if we don't get a new ruling party.
 

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If Irans regime changes israeili and US forces will be active there as they will get military acces from the shah.
93 mio habitants and 35 mio of them are Turks. I think we can do something. Maybe more than US and Israel.
 

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