Pakistan-India Conflict (2025)

[Rajendra Chola]

There are many Indian members here, that's good. But where are our Pakistani forum members? Where did they go? What is the reason for their absence? It would be interesting to know the opinion of Pakistanis too.

Busy photoshopping…

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929493728114143455

 

[Tabmachine]

There are many Indian members here, that's good. But where are our Pakistani forum members? Where did they go? What is the reason for their absence? It would be interesting to know the opinion of Pakistanis too.

honestly, it would be an exercise in self-flagellation to navigate the separate universe that Indians have sequestered themselves into in regards to the account of this conflict, apart from the rest of the world.

It's already fairly clear what perspective the world has drawn on this conflict, re-litigating the events from a million different angles to rationalize self-sympathy... this is an exercise for those who are feeling vulnerable

 

[Jackdaws]

honestly, it would be an exercise in self-flagellation to navigate the separate universe that Indians have sequestered themselves into in regards to the account of this conflict, apart from the rest of the world.

It's already fairly clear what perspective the world has drawn on this conflict, re-litigating the events from a million different angles to rationalize self-sympathy... this is an exercise for those who are feeling vulnerable

Indeed - that crazy world of NY Times and Washington Post insulated from the video game footage and captured imaginary female pilots by Pakistan

 

[Jackdaws]

Both are in Singapore attending a summit

 

[Nilgiri]

Key Questions about the India-Pakistan Aerial Clashes

There is a risk of drawing the wrong conclusions about Chinese and Western air capabilities from the recent clashes if Indian fighter losses are looked at without close examination of the wider operational picture.

www.rusi.org

 

[Nilgiri]

Indeed - that crazy world of NY Times and Washington Post insulated from the video game footage and captured imaginary female pilots by Pakistan

It doesn't go well for their hotheads (or Indian equivalents) anywhere there is actual international presence in a solid defence circle or group (i.e not some echo chamber saying the other side is the echo chamber, not us...reeeeee!)

Hotheads or those that have to tribally or subjectively accomodate them, will then of course assume a larger narrative slant has permeated outside the tribal ecosystem....comes down to human psyche stuff.

In one such OSINT server, it was kind of funny to see Damien reaction to some of it from their side heh

This was just part of a longer discussion he had on the absolute crap state of the DG ISPR "document" they put out (replete with all kind of mistakes, terrible formatting, random pictures splayed everywhere with no caption text explanation of what its supposed to be etc etc).

There are Pakistani professional + cool minded types (and Indian equivalents) that will engage well it must be said too.... folks that:

a) call out echo chamber dynamic of each side's ecochambers equally and consistently
b) prepared to use stimson/clary (or other similar neutral analysis) as useful starting point "in the middle"

Such folks are rarer compared to large online mob gatherings...and generally stay away from those entirely or are very judicious in discussion intersection with such areas for a reason.

 

[Ajatshatru]

honestly, it would be an exercise in self-flagellation to navigate the separate universe that Indians have sequestered themselves into in regards to the account of this conflict, apart from the rest of the world.

It's already fairly clear what perspective the world has drawn on this conflict, re-litigating the events from a million different angles to rationalize self-sympathy... this is an exercise for those who are feeling vulnerable

Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not immune to Indian strikes, and its nuclear threats will only provoke India to target Pakistani nuclear installations. India’s Chief of Defence Staff has clearly stated that nothing in Pakistan is beyond the reach of the Indian military.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Maxar is American, not Chinese

Yes, MAXAR is an American company, but MIZAR is Chinese. They also released high-resolution color images of Pakistani bases. Indian Air Force released images and videos as well, captured from drones and satellites, but those were in black and white and of lower resolution, structure and damage were visible even in those images but the MAXAR image is so clear that even the wreckage of the aircraft inside Bholari and Shahbaz Airbase can be seen.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Murid Airbase

 

[Jackdaws]

Worth a watch on the Print

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1930903310384439604

Good news for Pakistan. However, probably buying one battery of HQ19 won't cut it. They should delay the J35 purchase as PAF in its current form is good enough imo. And redirect the intended fund to 2/3 additional HQ9BE batteries and half a dozen HQ16EF and several dozen radar guided AAA systems. +Larger stock piles of TBMs. Right now the critical gap in Pak defense posture is not having enough AD systems to protect their Infra.

@TR_123456 @Nilgiri @Gessler @Sanchez

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1931240596884091010

A video simulation of the downing of an Indian Air Force Rafale fighter jet has been released.

 

[Jackdaws]

Worth a read

“India doesn’t need to destroy Pakistan to deter it. We only need to show we can—but choose not to…. Let the record show: India won the war before the war…” former GOC-in-C Western Command Lt Gen SS Mehta.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1931062016502100182

full article -

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/operation-sindoor-manoeuvre-over-attrition/Operation Sindoor: Manoeuvre over attrition - The Tribune

 

[Xi Jin Ping]

The score was Pakistan 7 - 0 India.
Pakistan just released the name of Pilot who injured and who Died, with their service number. This also include the hospital name they being treated.
Once Indian Marshall said "Lost are part of war".
In Shangrila he said " How many aircraft are not important, the important is how we learn from the mistake"

Look, a week before sindhoor operation, hundreds of Intelligent agencies has been spread into kashmir. At least 3 nations, India, Pakistan, and China.
And when more than 100 aircrafts fly at low altitude, the sound was like million Bees flying inside your house. Every people inside 30km radies heard the jet roaring engine, including the intel agencies.
Secondly, the sound of downed aircraft from 1-2km altitude is like a bomb! Every person in 1km radius heard, let alone 7 aircraft in total.
hey, aircraft dimension is bigger than school bus !

watch for 1:42

 

[Saithan]

IAF did better imo based on what I've been reading.

But the most important take back from this is that India will target PAF even if terrorists conduct an attack not from Pakistani soil, but even from Indian soil.

Now a terrorist attack killing some 20+people resulted in this.

Attack on a nuclear power.

So should secterian violance inside India against muslim minority be considered a terrorist act ? That requires realisation ?

I'll leave that question there.

But I think PAF needs to update and improve their missile tech more including their nuclear arsenal. Even conduct list test.

Otherwise PAF is going to be turned into a joke. I doubt it matters for China tbh, as Pakistan is a convenient useful piece. But unless the PAF starts thoroughly cleaning up the canal, I don't think they'll improve in a manner that will matter in the future.

 

[Zapper]

 

[Zapper]

Ku-band AESA seeker from one of the jammed PL-15E

 

[Ajatshatru]

IAF did better imo based on what I've been reading.

But the most important take back from this is that India will target PAF even if terrorists conduct an attack not from Pakistani soil, but even from Indian soil.

Now a terrorist attack killing some 20+people resulted in this.

Attack on a nuclear power.

So should secterian violance inside India against muslim minority be considered a terrorist act ? That requires realisation ?

I'll leave that question there.

But I think PAF needs to update and improve their missile tech more including their nuclear arsenal. Even conduct list test.

Otherwise PAF is going to be turned into a joke. I doubt it matters for China tbh, as Pakistan is a convenient useful piece. But unless the PAF starts thoroughly cleaning up the canal, I don't think they'll improve in a manner that will matter in the future.

Indian military has made it absolutely clear: there is nothing inside Pakistan that India can’t target and wipe out. The message is simple, De-nuclearisation is not off the table if they push their luck too far.

 

[Afif]

Best avoid these overhyped low quality contents.

 

[Afif]

Ku-band AESA seeker from one of the jammed PL-15E



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We wouldn’t know for sure if it was jammed or not. But following the simple reasoning, if IAF could jam it, that Rafale wouldn’t have gone down like it did. Given how Spectra failed, I doubt any other EW suite in IAF inventory could Jam it.