Pakistan's duty to raise Kashmir issue more vigorously at UN, says UNGA president

[Kaptaan]

Who needs the so called ummah, when you got Turkey?

Pakistan's duty to raise Kashmir issue more vigorously at UN, says UNGA president ​

United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) President Volkan Bozkir (left) and Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi address a press conference in Islamabad on Thursday. — DawnNewsTV
United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) President Volkan Bozkir said on Thursday that it was Pakistan's duty to bring the issue of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute to the United Nations platform with more vigour.


Addressing a press conference in Islamabad along with Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi after their meeting today, the UNGA president lamented what he said was a lack of large political will for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute compared to the Palestinian issue which had more will behind it.


"I think it is the duty, especially Pakistan's, to bring this [issue] to the United Nation platform more strongly," said Bozkir, adding that he agreed that the Palestinian issue and the Kashmir issue were of the same age.


He called on all parties to refrain from changing the status of Jammu and Kashmir and said a solution was to be found through peaceful means in accordance with the UN charter and UN Security Council (UNSC) resolutions as agreed in the Simla Agreement between Pakistan and India.



Addressing the press conference, FM Qureshi said that he had briefed the president on the "dire situation" in Indian-occupied Kashmir and drawn his attention to the similarities between the Palestinian and Kashmir issues. He highlighted the common demands of the people and said both issues had been UNSC agenda items for decades.


"Pay attention. These are international obligations. The UN must play that role of responsibility which is due," stressed the foreign minister.


"The Kashmir dispute is a reality and no one can deny it or remove it from the UNSC agenda."


Speaking about other topics discussed in the meeting, Qureshi said he had also briefed Bozkir on the evolving situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan's role in its peace process. The president, for his part, said that many countries thought they were important but "some are more important."


He said the solution to the Afghan issue would have regional and global effects therefore "I think what Pakistan is doing together with Turkey and Afghanistan is very important," adding that it was necessary to take the opportunity and "appreciate your efforts and hope that you will come with a success story".


Bozkir also praised Prime Minister Imran Khan and his efforts, particularly the 10 Billion Tree Tsunami initiative, giving voice to the difficulties being faced by countries by debt issues and Pakistan's performance in dealing with Covid-19, which he said was "remarkable" and comparatively much better than other countries. He also hailed FM Qureshi's leadership on the Palestinian issue as important and said he had represented Pakistan in the world "in a very good way".


FM Qureshi in turn thanked the UNGA president for his visit and said: "We always look forward to your coming to Pakistan, you are a friend of Pakistan and in our humble way [...] we will be acknowledging that and recognising your services."

Meeting with foreign minister​

Bozkir, who arrived in Islamabad a day earlier, met Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi at the Foreign Office (FO) on Thursday.


The situation in Palestine and occupied Kashmir, the Afghan peace process and matters of mutual interest were discussed during the meeting.

 

[Jackdaws]

India's too wants resolution of the Kashmir issue - it's stance is that Pak has illegally occupied Indian territory. If the UN facilitates its return, India shouldn't have an issue.

 

[VCheng]

India's too wants resolution of the Kashmir issue - it's stance is that Pak has illegally occupied Indian territory. If the UN facilitates its return, India shouldn't have an issue.

Not to worry, the real story is this: "the UNGA president lamented what he said was a lack of large political will for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute compared to the Palestinian issue which had more will behind it." And we all know just how well the Palestinian issue is going towards a resolution.

As long as Pakistan is content with making token noises about Kashmir and does not pursue it with more vigor, as the UNGA President says, the status quo will not change very much.

 

[Jackdaws]

Not to worry, the real story is this: "the UNGA president lamented what he said was a lack of large political will for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute compared to the Palestinian issue which had more will behind it." And we all know just how well the Palestinian issue is going towards a resolution.

As long as Pakistan is content with making token noises about Kashmir and does not pursue it with more vigor, as the UNGA President says, the status quo will not change very much.

True.

 

[kumata]

With removal of Article 370 and subsequent actions of GOI, J & K is like any other Indian state. Once the terrorists are neutered , GOI is keen to allow democratic process to follow it;s due course & appoint there own representatives.

Perhaps, It will be good for Pakistan that they start worrying about POK now & how to hand it over back to india . Indian HM have categorically made a statement in Parliament that "It is illegally occupied by Pakistan"

 

[Waz]

Time for India to give the people a vote it promised long ago.
POK? wtf is that? The Dogra army was slaughtered and the Indian army pinned down in occupied Kashmir unable to make inroads due to the AKRF, and later the Pakistani army.
You're not getting anything back (not that it was yours), not now, not ever.
The discussions will be on occupied Indian Kashmir where the majority Muslim population despises the Hindu fanatical overlords of India.

 

[Kaptaan]

"It is illegally occupied by Pakistan"

Which raises the question that after 70 years why have you not snatched it back? Considering India is vastly greater in population to the maginitude of nearly 7 times. I can already figure the answer brewing up in your mind. Ahh but China has not retaken Taiwan. Few points to note -

• Taiwan is separated from mainland China by 115 miles of sea. As we all know sea represents major obstacle. It stopped Hitler's Panzer Divisions from placing the swastika atop Buckingham Palace.
• Taiwan is economic powerhouse with large military
• Taiwan is fully supported by United States of America. Any attempt by PRC to cross the sea would involve US Pacific Fleet and bring America into the war.

On the other hand -

• Pakistan and AJK are literally within eyesight. The hill/mountains of LOC do present difficulty in mobilized large armoured forces but nothing stopped India from capturing Lahore and then using that a negotiating chip to get AJK.
• Pakistan according to Indian narrative is a failed, bankrupt, imploding country where nothing works.

 

[kumata]

Time for India to give the people a vote it promised long ago.
POK? wtf is that? The Dogra army was slaughtered and the Indian army pinned down in occupied Kashmir unable to make inroads due to the AKRF, and later the Pakistani army.
You're not getting anything back (not that it was yours), not now, not ever.
The discussions will be on occupied Indian Kashmir where the majority Muslim population despises the Hindu fanatical overlords of India.

Well,

POK is Pakistan occupied Kashmir, illegally occupied by Pakistan since last 70 years. Thought you would know it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know Pakistan have been a rogue state from one when they send their regulars mis-squandering as tribal s, Just like Kargil.

FYI .. Muslim majority of kashmir knows how their relatives in Illegally POK are treated. No doubt residents of POK are already raising demands for merger with India.

 

[Jackdaws]

Time for India to give the people a vote it promised long ago.
POK? wtf is that? The Dogra army was slaughtered and the Indian army pinned down in occupied Kashmir unable to make inroads due to the AKRF, and later the Pakistani army.
You're not getting anything back (not that it was yours), not now, not ever.
The discussions will be on occupied Indian Kashmir where the majority Muslim population despises the Hindu fanatical overlords of India.

According to the Indian Independence Act of the British Parliament which created the dominions of India and Pak, the rulers of Princely States were free to join either nation or remain independent. The Maharaja of Kashmir after an illegal invasion of Pakistan joined India and signed the Treaty of Accession. All of his erstwhile Princely State now is part of the Indian Union including PoK which is illegally occupied by Pakistan. Any discussion on its peaceful return to India would be welcomed by India's citizens. There is nothing else to talk about with Pakistan as far as Kashmir is concerned.

 

[Ryder]

My solution to Kashmir is split it.

One half to the Muslims ruled by Pakistan and the other half to the Hindus ruled by India.

Time to partition it. Kashmir can never survive as an independant nation as Pakistan and India can easily swallow them up anyway.

I know my solution is short sighted for many Pakistani and Indian members here.

Just sharing my opinion. Partition it so both parties can be happy. The problem is China is also present in Kashmir they will be asking where is our slice.

Pakistan and India both have historical legitimacy to Kashmir im wondering what legitmacy does China have apart from extending its Tibetan and Himalayan conquests.

 

[Jackdaws]

My solution to Kashmir is split it.

One half to the Muslims ruled by Pakistan and the other half to the Hindus ruled by India.

Time to partition it. Kashmir can never survive as an independant nation as Pakistan and India can easily swallow them up anyway.

I know my solution is short sighted for many Pakistani and Indian members here.

Just sharing my opinion. Partition it so both parties can be happy. The problem is China is also present in Kashmir they will be asking where is our slice.

Pakistan and India both have historical legitimacy to Kashmir im wondering what legitmacy does China have apart from extending its Tibetan and Himalayan conquests.

China has 2 parts of Kashmir -

1. which it occupied in 1962 during the war with India - Aksai Chin region

2. Saksham Valley whose claim was given up by Pakistan in 1963. I am not sure if it was indeed under Pak control at any point - some Pakistani member can shed light on this.

India is not a Hindu nation even if Modi-Yogi try their best to think it is. India in good faith had offered Kashmiri land to Pak under the Swaran Singh - Bhutto talks before the 1965 War. Pak wanted Buddhist majority Ladakh also. Now that boat has sailed.
Pak has no legal or moral claim on Kashmir. India can't give up its land to Pakistan so Pakistan somehow can pat itself on the back about its already buried 2 nation theory.

 

[kumata]

My solution to Kashmir is split it.

One half to the Muslims ruled by Pakistan and the other half to the Hindus ruled by India.

Again a Flawed logic to divide it on the lines of religion. India have more Muslims than Pakistan & is Pakistan flag bearer of Islam that it rules Muslims. Majority of Pakistanis themselves were converted on sword by mughal's & have Hindu blood in the heritage.

Kashmir accessed to India and Pakistan occupies it illegally. That's the truth !!!!!!!!!!

Pakistan and India both have historical legitimacy to Kashmir im wondering what legitmacy does China have apart from extending its Tibetan and Himalayan conquests.

Pakistan themselves have no history of their own. They were part of india till 47 so how can we say that they have a historical claim to kashmir.

Partition was on religious lines thanks to Jinnah & Gandhi but accession of princely states to either indian or pak was purely a voluntary decision taken by than rulers. It was pakistan who send their Army as tribal to annexxe Kashmir which forced Hari singh to sign towards india.

they continue to occupy kashmir illegally till date!!111

 

[kaykay]

Not to worry, the real story is this: "the UNGA president lamented what he said was a lack of large political will for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute compared to the Palestinian issue which had more will behind it." And we all know just how well the Palestinian issue is going towards a resolution.

As long as Pakistan is content with making token noises about Kashmir and does not pursue it with more vigor, as the UNGA President says, the status quo will not change very much.

Tbh, only and the only possible solution ( that too not in near future) I see is that LOC turns into IB. Otherwise no one will give an inch no matter what. But even that solution requires a very strong political will in respective countries.

 

[Waz]

Well,

POK is Pakistan occupied Kashmir, illegally occupied by Pakistan since last 70 years. Thought you would know it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know Pakistan have been a rogue state from one when they send their regulars mis-squandering as tribal s, Just like Kargil.

FYI .. Muslim majority of kashmir knows how their relatives in Illegally POK are treated. No doubt residents of POK are already raising demands for merger with India.

No such a thing as POK that’s your narrative.
Azad Kashmir was freed by its people, highly respected neutral academics have written on this. I hail from the region my elders fought that war.
Tribals entered the war late, you don’t even know the timelines of the conflict.

Pakistan is no rouge state, your forces literally terrorise the population there with rape, beatings and kidnappings. The Muslim majority population despises your presence there. The population of AJK is culturally, racially and of course in terms of faith the same as that of Pakistan. That’s not the case with Indian brutally occupied Kashmir. If there’s no compulsion why’s there a need for thousand upon thousands of regular army, paramilitary and secret agencies? No it’s not terror, it’s enough force to keep the people down.
No one in AJK has asked to merger with India and they’re not mistreated, that’s laughable. You seldom see the PA unless they’re going to the LOC.
The locals despise India and its occupation.

Do you recall these scenes? Seeing as you reference the people of AJK the same folks who beat the unfortunate pilot.

 

[Jackdaws]

No such a thing as POK that’s your narrative.
Azad Kashmir was freed by its people, highly respected neutral academics have written on this. I hail from the region my elders fought that war.
Tribals entered the war late, you don’t even know the timelines of the conflict.

Pakistan is no rouge state, your forces literally terrorise the population there with rape, beatings and kidnappings. The Muslim majority population despises your presence there. The population of AJK is culturally, racially and of course in terms of faith the same as that of Pakistan. That’s not the case with Indian brutally occupied Kashmir. If there’s no compulsion why’s there a need for thousand upon thousands of regular army, paramilitary and secret agencies? No it’s not terror, it’s enough force to keep the people down.
No one in AJK has asked to merger with India and they’re not mistreated, that’s laughable. You seldom see the PA unless they’re going to the LOC.
The locals despise India and its occupation.

Do you recall these scenes? Seeing as you reference the people of AJK the same folks who beat the unfortunate pilot.

When the troops weren't there, the Pandits were driven out of the Valley by rogue elements.

Being coreligionists, didn't stop Pakistan from raping, murdering own citizens in East Pakistan. We don't consider ethnic Pakistanis and ethnic Kashmiris have anything in common. It's not as if Kashmiris speak Brahui or Sindhi.

Pakistan has illegally occupied Indian territory. If Pakistan questions the Maharaja's right to accede to India, it should also question how it got its independence through the very same British Act which granted the Maharaja the authority to accede to India.

 

[Waz]

When the troops weren't there, the Pandits were driven out of the Valley by rogue elements.

Being coreligionists, didn't stop Pakistan from raping, murdering own citizens in East Pakistan. We don't consider ethnic Pakistanis and ethnic Kashmiris have anything in common. It's not as if Kashmiris speak Brahui or Sindhi.

Pakistan has illegally occupied Indian territory. If Pakistan questions the Maharaja's right to accede to India, it should also question how it got its independence through the very same British Act which granted the Maharaja the authority to accede to India.

The troops have bashed the Kashmiris from day one, let’s not use the pandits here.
East Pakistan, and in the same way your talk of Kashmiris being Indians has no substance, look how’ve you treated them. Seeing as you went historic how were the citizens of Hyderabad treated when they lost their independence bid by your forces? By mass rape and murder.
We couldn’t care less what you think about similarities, it doesn’t change the fact they have stronger ties to us than you.
You occupied Hyderabad and Junagarh under the pretext of a Hindu majority so don’t bring up the princely state argument.
The so called Maharaja didn’t represent his Muslim majority population.
You occupy the land against the will of the people. Talks on Kashmir can only begin with the Muslim majority region coming to Pakistan as per partition.

 

[Waz]

My solution to Kashmir is split it.

One half to the Muslims ruled by Pakistan and the other half to the Hindus ruled by India.

Time to partition it. Kashmir can never survive as an independant nation as Pakistan and India can easily swallow them up anyway.

I know my solution is short sighted for many Pakistani and Indian members here.

Just sharing my opinion. Partition it so both parties can be happy. The problem is China is also present in Kashmir they will be asking where is our slice.

Pakistan and India both have historical legitimacy to Kashmir im wondering what legitmacy does China have apart from extending its Tibetan and Himalayan conquests.

Yep as per partition. Muslims come with us.

 

[Jackdaws]

The troops have bashed the Kashmiris from day one, let’s not use the pandits here.
East Pakistan, and in the same way your talk of Kashmiris being Indians has no substance, look how’ve you treated them. Seeing as you went historic how were the citizens of Hyderabad treated when they lost their independence bid by your forces? By mass rape and murder.
We couldn’t care less what you think about similarities, it doesn’t change the fact they have stronger ties to us than you.
You occupied Hyderabad and Junagarh under the pretext of a Hindu majority so don’t bring up the princely state argument.
The so called Maharaja didn’t represent his Muslim majority population.
You occupy the land against the will of the people. Talks on Kashmir can only begin with the Muslim majority region coming to Pakistan as per partition.

"Let's not use Pandits here?" For the record, there were no troops patrolling the streets of J&K till 1989. That's what caused the Pandit exodus in the first place.

Also it is a might Himalayan coincidence that the terrorism in Kashmir in 1989 began with the end of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and the Pak military tried to wrest Kashmir by sending terrorists into J&K.

And look it up. India signed a Standstill Agreement with Hyderabad and honoured it. It was the Nizam and his razakars who broke it.

As far as PoK is concerned, as Indians we are unaware if non Kashmiris have been settled there by Pak during its continued illegal occupation like the Chinese have settled Han people in Tibet.

 

[Jackdaws]

Yep as per partition. Muslims come with us.

Nope. They don't. Majority of South Asian Muslims live outside Pakistan.

 

[kumata]

No such a thing as POK that’s your narrative.
Azad Kashmir was freed by its people, highly respected neutral academics have written on this. I hail from the region my elders fought that war.
Tribals entered the war late, you don’t even know the timelines of the conflict.

Pakistan is no rouge state, your forces literally terrorise the population there with rape, beatings and kidnappings. The Muslim majority population despises your presence there. The population of AJK is culturally, racially and of course in terms of faith the same as that of Pakistan. That’s not the case with Indian brutally occupied Kashmir. If there’s no compulsion why’s there a need for thousand upon thousands of regular army, paramilitary and secret agencies? No it’s not terror, it’s enough force to keep the people down.
No one in AJK has asked to merger with India and they’re not mistreated, that’s laughable. You seldom see the PA unless they’re going to the LOC.
The locals despise India and its occupation.

Do you recall these scenes? Seeing as you reference the people of AJK the same folks who beat the unfortunate pilot.

Sir,

I must add One thing...

Pakistan and their sense of history is in "echo chamber". your claims are not even worth few bytes of storage on this forum.

People in Kashmir are way more prosperous than their Pakistani counterparts. As for partition goes, It was on religious lines but princely states were independent to join Us or Pakistan. seems like Pak;s history booked too are corrupt.... it;s well documented everywhere.

and Rape threat et all... that was making of your Pakistan sponsored terrorists . Indian Army is a professional army unlike rogue PAK army who even refused to ack their Own in kargil !!!!!!!!!!

and rather than putting gory videos of people's suffering,... this is what real POK residents feel about india