Personal concepts - Sea

[UkroTurk]

@Anmdt as you said the new Spanish frigate concept looks like a submarine.

cool
Navantia Smart 8000 and smart 4000

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

How about SOM cruise missile (or similar) that can be vertically launched from VLS on ships and submarines ?

 

[UkroTurk]

How about SOM cruise missile (or similar) that can be vertically launched from VLS on ships and submarines ?

From ships i would agree but from submarines it would be impossible as SOM bulky.

ATMACA missiles with 200km range are not too bad. ATMACAs are to be launched from subs.

From subs I would prefer TRG300 since they are cheaper rapid rockets while SOM/ATMACA have different roles.


Also we have new compact Anti-ship missile"ÇAKIR" that would suit minisubs.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594004128455282688

Personal concept by @KozanSErkan and @KaanAzman

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594004128455282688

Personal concept by @KozanSErkan and @KaanAzman

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No aft CIWS.

 

[UkroTurk]

SubSea Craft VICTA:​

A Good Fit For ROK Navy’s New GHOST Concept​

SubSea Craft VICTA: A good fit for ROK Navy's new GHOST Concept - Naval News

At MADEX 2023 SubSea Craft presented its VICTA class DDU (Diver Delivery Unit) for the ROK Navy's new GHOST concept.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Terrain]

Carbon fiber is around 5 times lighter than metal

 

[Terrain]

We could even expand the composite area towards the cover of the funnels. This way more weight will be reduced.

 

[UkroTurk]

We could even expand the composite area towards the cover of the funnels. This way more weight will be reduced.

Sacrificing RIM-116 launcher , Software, missiles, other systems which cost20-30 million USD? Too late.

I would add SUNGUR/OMTAS ..

 

[Kaan Azman]

Time to revive this dead thread with some spicy stuff.

Have been thinking of a scaled family of USVs during my boredom in finals. Decided to name it after the Mako Shark (Camgöz).

This one is a small hit and runner specifically for missile attacks. I had some insipration from an exercise where a Turkish attack craft approached an American destroyer by 50 yards unnoticed.

As you can see, it is pretty low to make visual detection difficult so that it can get into firing range of UMTAS GM missiles safely (16 or more depending on variant).

 

[UkroTurk]

an American destroyer by 50 yards unnoticed.

Is it really possible? Maybe the radars were turned off?
AFAIK AESA radars could detect even periscope of submarines from 30km.


*Could you add on these beasts 2 heavy torpedos? Or creating a new design " unmanned Torpedo boat"!

 

[Kaan Azman]

Is it really possible? Maybe the radars were turned off?
AFAIK AESA radars could detect even periscope of submarines from 30km.


*Could you add on these beasts 2 heavy torpedos? Or creating a new design " unmanned Torpedo boat"!

It is, there is a very good reason I explicity said that it is meant to lay low on the sea. The reason Kartal class managed to pull the sneeki breeki on Arleigh is its super-low structure, simply hiding between waves.

I'm thinking of alternative payloads but I think I need a larger hull (which I've prepared) for heavy torpedoes

 

[Anmdt]

Time to revive this dead thread with some spicy stuff.

Have been thinking of a scaled family of USVs during my boredom in finals. Decided to name it after the Mako Shark (Camgöz).

This one is a small hit and runner specifically for missile attacks. I had some insipration from an exercise where a Turkish attack craft approached an American destroyer by 50 yards unnoticed.

As you can see, it is pretty low to make visual detection difficult so that it can get into firing range of UMTAS GM missiles safely (16 or more depending on variant).
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Telescopic mast at the aft is definitely not a good idea. Assuming white coated radars indicate civilian navigation radars, better to multiply them on each side and place the mast in mid.
May also omit the front deck and cover it with angled composite up to the supperstructure.

Additional notes;
Supperstructure (or island, however you refer) may be higher. Just preserve the current angle of faces and make it higher. Place telescopic structure in middle, two navigation radar in front and rear side of the mast (installed on an arm supported with bracket) and two satcom antennas on the sides in the same way on an arm supported with bracket.
Place 4 x AESA on diagonal faces.
Omit flat forwad deck unless you intend to install machine gun.
Utilize rear deck however you like. HWTs better be aft launched as horizontal as possible, LWTs better be forward launched as angled downwards as possible.

 

[UkroTurk]

Chinese unmanned mini destroyer

 

[Anmdt]

Turkish attack craft approached an American destroyer by 50 yards unnoticed.

If i recall correctly, top of the vessel was wooden it had superlow profile with a command post on top for navigation. Also it happened during a bad weather, with wave height greater than the boat itself with a heavy radar clutter due to the waves.

I dont think unmanned vessels may be able to sail or maneuver at such weathers, at the moment. It needs time.

 

[Kaan Azman]

WIP Naval KAAN

 

[uçuyorum]

View attachment 65688 WIP Naval KAAN

You should also look at cancelled NATF and FB22 concept

 

[Kaan Azman]

NATF feels unconventional to go with as a variable sweep wing, I am going by the theory that they will make changes on the design like LM did on F35 for F35C. Wider wings, arresting hook, stronger landing gear, etc...

 

[UkroTurk]

I invented a system where you can place as many missiles as you want anywhere on the ship, eliminating the danger of fire, which is the most important threat to warships.

congratulate me.

You don't need very expensive navsl VLS.

Geminin üzerine yangın tehlikesi yüzünden koyulamayacak yerlere koyun bu lançerleri. Önlerine de sabit AESA plakaları. Ohh her yere koyun.
Bundan sonra oraya lançer konmaz orası yanar tehlikeli demeyin
@Anmdt
@Yasar_TR @dBSPL


Bozdoğan, Gökdoğan,UMTAS,CIRIT etc. What ever you want.

First i would like to explain what the concentric canister launcher:

Umkhonto SAM uses this VLS.

İ have been thinking about limitations of RAM, Levent,Göksur naval launchers due to fire hazards.So i might have solved this problem.

Even those canister could be static if you use Datalink.

Could UMTAS or Bozdoğan missiles be damaged if they were launched in such a way?
On the other hand this launcher should be bulky or missilemcapacity of the launcher should be reduced. Anyway it is much more cheaper than VLS, and safer than horizontal launchers. You could use every point of your warship.

Most probably with Gökdoğan missiles it would look like as same as Mk29 launchers. BTW we could upgrade old warships with consenteric canisters.

So we could have rotating VLS

 

[UkroTurk]

Kalkan Decoy launcher may be configured like this. Though project is still on system requirements identification stage but if it goes through it will be present aboard all major ships in place of fixed decoy launchers and will be capable of launching RF-emitting/reflecting and IR signature mimicking decoys.

Dear i have another questions

Does Türkish Navy need ASROC ? İf yes instead of SIPER/HisarN i would put ASROC on ada class since it is an ASW Corvette ( it has decent sonar)
Would it be useful? Reaction time in ASW should be important.

We could create more compact version of ASROC .for instance:very light torpedo with rocket assistance . For current MIDLAS would be fit.

Another question is what is your opinion about ramjet super cavity torpedos?

Supercavitation - Wikipedia

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Superkavitierender Unterwasserlaufkörper - Wikipedia

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VA-111 Shkval - Wikipedia

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